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Babylon
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 Posted - 19 Mar 2007 : 01:48:28
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Originally posted by mansasulu
actually it was Gov. George Wallace who said "segregation today...forever." I dont need to understand female circumcision to know that people deserve a choice especially in areas not legislated by islam. For God shake, even our secular constitution doesn't outlaw female circumcision. Why should it be banned. Let people do as they chose. All I am asking for is choice.
Who´s choice are we talking about?
If the society expects one to be circumcised and you are forced to do it because of tradition and pressure from people around you, then surely it is not something you can call a choice when there obviously is none.
I´m a 100 % sure no girl would want to be mutilated if she had an own free, individual choice! No way man.
If women could chose for themselves instead of having other people deciding and making choices for them then FGM soon would be history.
I was very, very glad to hear that FGM is prophibited in Senegal! |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2007 : 14:10:18
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| May I remind you that trying to outlaw things you can't enforce is absurd. Female Circumcision is taking place in Cassamance and the last I heard Cassamance is in Senegal. Governments around the world should be busy outlawing adultery, fornication, prostitution, alcohol, riba and homosexuality etc...not female circumcision. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 19 Mar 2007 : 14:18:33
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Alhassan its been a good discussion. I respect your views and I will be waiting for the hadith. If it is authentic I will immediately adopt your position.
Mansasulu,
I withdraw my statement on the Haddith. The one I wanted to quote is very weak.
According to history it was started by the Phro of Egypt. During this time women were by themselves and taught the girls many things about marrige, greeting their elders and husband, cleaning etc. As I have garthered, the Prophet(SWAS) never practised it nor did he advise his followers to do so. It was only ment for men and we all know the reasons why men do it until today. In fact none of his wives or the wives of the Sahabas were cercumsied. It was an african practice before even the Prophet(SAWS)was born. I think this is why it is not common in the Arabic countries, but noly Africa.
I hope my explaination is atleast accepted as I am not an authority in Islam or the Qu-ran. I am still learning.
Thanks for an intresting debate. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2007 : 14:54:59
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| You still need to clear up one point. Did the Prophet prevent people from circumcising females? I think this is the sticking point. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 19 Mar 2007 : 15:53:36
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Mansasulu,
He did not advise anybody to do it. In fact he advised people to refrain from it. He did not recomend it at all. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2007 : 16:03:01
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| Can you provide a hadith where he advised people to refrain from it? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 19 Mar 2007 : 19:32:40
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| Mansulu can you provide a hadith where the prophet advocates it? |
Peace
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2007 : 09:03:00
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| Prophet never advocates it but he never denounce it as well, thats why we are practicing.If its haram i will never discuss it.And i dont want to be part of a party that will trample on peoples choice. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2007 : 09:10:55
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Bro,
This is not about peoples choice. Any growm up woman who knows the implications would never let herself go through FMG. You can say it is a culture to some Africans. |
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2007 : 09:21:43
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| The implications are insignificant bro |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2007 : 10:43:28
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salimina
I am done with this topic hence we cannot come to aggrements. Don't you think so? We have different experience,information and moreover have seen different implications. I hope you will see them one day.
But to say it is Islamic that is not correct. FMG is not Islamic. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 20 Mar 2007 : 12:20:16
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| FMG is not ISLAMIC,Alhassan i agree with you this time. |
There is no god but Allah |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2007 : 23:03:32
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Salimina check out the pictures in the Religious forum and then come back and tell us that the implications are insignificant!
peace
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Peace
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salimina
253 Posts |
Posted - 20 Mar 2007 : 23:59:33
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Sister, you look at this in different cultural prism.Its just like saying that not to hit kids in the western world-cos it causes long term trauma.It has lot of implications in the west but in Africa its simply an experienced.We had undergone all sorts of punishments at school but it simply makes us stronger and ambitious.
Thats why i said the implications are insignificant. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2007 : 13:43:14
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| Until somebody provides a valid islamic ruling denouncing the practise, I will continue to maintain my stance and support female circumcision. The fact of the matter is that there are not prophetic traditions that denounces or advise people to refrain from it. I challenge anyone to post a sound hadith that says the prophet said do not do female circumcicion. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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