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Momodou
Denmark
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 Posted - 08 Mar 2007 : 01:14:31
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Mrs. Amie Bojang-Sissoho of GAMCOTRAP (Gambia Committee on Traditional Practices affecting the health of women and children) speaks about FGM and the strategies for the eradication of the practice at a seminar organized by Gambians in Norway as part of a Gambian cultural week celebration, 28th July 4th August 2001 in Oslo, Norway. The full text can bee seen HERE (click!).
See also: Speach by Dr. Abdoulie Saine
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mansasulu
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Posted - 14 Mar 2007 : 15:47:34
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| There is a chinese saying that there are three truths: "your truth, my truth, and the truth." This debate clearly lacks a view on the other two sides. It seems that it is all propaganda against choice. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 14 Mar 2007 : 16:10:28
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Mansasulu,
I doubt if this is just propaganda. Have you seen or heard what happens to our sisters and wives whilst delivering babies? I would advise you to go into the medical facts, inplications and complications women face during child labour because of FMG. I understand you if it is your culture.I hope this act would be eradicated from our country totally. Senegal is far ahead. The Senegalese law prohibits FMG. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2007 : 16:30:35
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Have you also checked the facts on numbers of people in our country that are being destroyed by alcohol? Why not eradicate that as well. The problem is that we have too much double standard going on. Female circumcision today, female circumcision tomorrow and female circumcision for ever.
Oh, since I dont have the fact why dont you post them here for all to see. It is all propaganda. You may be entitled to you opinion but you not entitled to the facts. Put them up or let people have a choice. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 14 Mar 2007 16:33:03 |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Mar 2007 : 18:01:50
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The evidence that I have seen of the genitals of some ladies after being circumcised bears no resemblance to that of a vagina. A newcomer to the medical profession could even believe that they have 'shapnel' injuries!
Why not have medical staff working in sterile female adult clinic's for those who wish to follow the culture of female circumcision.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Mar 2007 : 22:16:14
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FGM is the equivalent to male castration. If one advocates castration then one should be prepared to under go the procedure yourself. So Mansasulu have you researched the archives of the bantaba or on the internet to educate yourself about how women and children suffer through FGM or are you enjoying playing semantics with this serious subject. Which has over time caused the deaths and maimed millions of women and girls. And baby boys and girls who have been born still born because their mothers couldn't push them out of a mutilated vagina! As we know that Our Creator is merciful more women and men are rejecting FGM. That in my view can only be a good thing.
Mansasulu, if you are a reasonable, when you've researched this subjected further you will begin to see both sides of the coin.
Peace
Sister Omega
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 14 Mar 2007 22:19:26 |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 15 Mar 2007 : 13:22:02
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mansasulu,
I can understand you som how, but you forget our history.
Remember we have alkohol in the culture. Before Islam and christinity, we had our kings and chifs drinking alkohol. I know of my own great grandfather who used to mix "NJARUM LAMBAI" in Senegal. This was before Bamba and the Islamic came to us.This drink was alkohol. Even kings like AlBouri Ndiayé, Mbegan(my great great greatgrandfathers king)Latdior and many others.
Palm wine has been amongst us for the past time and we do not know when it strarted.
Secondly, we are not discussing alkohol problems here but FMG. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 14:11:32
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| Alhassan, I can assure you that female circumcision is as old as our history. Is female circumcision not part of our culture? It rather ironic and hypocritical that you see nothing wrong with alcohol (mother of all evils) and yet still you see a lot of wrongs in a thing that is not illegal under islamic law. Sister Omega, I dont need to research bantaba or the internet because no cold hard facts exist there. If you know of them post them here for all to see. It will be more convincing that saying "many girls have difficulty in delivery...many girls die" etc. Put the facts here and stop the mere rhetoric. The bottom line is that female circumcision is not banned under islamic law and many other things like alcohol are banned under islamic law, but we make them legal. There is only one side to this story: propaganda. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 14:47:10
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Mansasulu,
The prophet(SWAS)advised us not to engage in this act. It is only permisible to men not women. On the other hand it is not Islamic. It is a cultural problem that exixts in Africa only. No Arab countries are involved.
As for the problem the women face , we cannot be blind of them. HIV/AIDS is one of them. Ask the Midwives in the hospitals. They will give you the correct info so you can be satisified. This is not at all propaganda. We have women here from different African countries who themselves have gone through FMG, but vow to stop it and they advise other mothers not to allow their daughters to be. Women have been looking at films and been to the hospital to give info. on this topic. Now it is left to you to belive what ever you decide. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 14:57:27
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| Alhassan, where did the prophet advise us not engage in it? If he did we would not be having this conversation. Can you post a hadith where he said do not engage in female circumcision? I am surprised you are trying to link HIV/AIDS to female circumcision. All I am asking is for people to have the choice to perform female circumcision should they chose. Remember we gave our selves the choice to drink alcohol? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 15:56:58
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Mansasulu,
I think you have forgottened that there is all kind of campange against alkohol in most parts of the world. The same thing applies to FMG. Yes, FMG and HIV/AIDS have some relation because the women who administered FMG did not have a new blade for every girl. Then she cannot know who is HIV-possitive or has Hepatit B, or any other kind of contagous desease. they are not qualified to do blod test and so on. This is the reason.
If the prophet was not against it ,then why are the Arabs not doing it? The Arabic speaking in Africa does like in the north. But not in Jemen, or Saudi etc. I shall ask imam in which Haddith because I cannot remember myself. I shalöl come back to you. Have a nice weekend. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 17:13:33
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| Alhassan its been a good discussion. I respect your views and I will be waiting for the hadith. If it is authentic I will immediately adopt your position. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 17:13:37
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| mansasulu, if you are a man - why do you talk about things you will never be able to understand, because you'll never FEEL them? |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 18:09:55
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Have you also checked the facts on numbers of people in our country that are being destroyed by alcohol? Why not eradicate that as well. The problem is that we have too much double standard going on. Female circumcision today, female circumcision tomorrow and female circumcision for ever.
That sounds like Jim Crowe in Selma Alabama when he said "sagregation today, sagregation tomorrow and sagregation forever" |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2007 : 21:03:00
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| actually it was Gov. George Wallace who said "segregation today...forever." I dont need to understand female circumcision to know that people deserve a choice especially in areas not legislated by islam. For God shake, even our secular constitution doesn't outlaw female circumcision. Why should it be banned. Let people do as they chose. All I am asking for is choice. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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salimina
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Posted - 18 Mar 2007 : 22:57:20
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| Mansa, it seems that they dont understand the basics of civil liberty.Do what ever you want to do as long as is within the boundries of law. |
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