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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 18:58:46
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It is very obvious from what Mathew wrote that he is quite ignorant of what ACTUALLY went on during the initial conception of ideas for a unified front against A(F)PRC. You cannot just jump in at the tail end of history to claim astuteness and straight thinking when you were actually in deep slumber when history was being made.
A three year conspiracy project of so-called interllectuals being blown-off in a blink of an eye,indeed history was made, a palatable one indeed.
Thanks for your thoughts |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 18:58:46
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It is very obvious from what Mathew wrote that he is quite ignorant of what ACTUALLY went on during the initial conception of ideas for a unified front against A(F)PRC. You cannot just jump in at the tail end of history to claim astuteness and straight thinking when you were actually in deep slumber when history was being made.
A three year conspiracy project of so-called interllectuals being blown-off in a blink of an eye,indeed history was made, a palatable one indeed.
Thanks for your thoughts |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 03:10:22
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Originally posted by ebou4th
Correct me if I am wrong but I think the show stopper here is who gets to lead an alliance to defeat APRC. If there is a common objective then what do you guys think about using The NADD Executive Committee’s idea as a foundation to build a better united opposition? Is it possible to get all the opposition parties to agree to form an alliance without a flag bearer and hold primaries later? I think this will give the united opposition time to build a stronger grass roots. It will also give Gambians in Diaspora who want to contest time prepare for an active role in Gambian politics.
Will this work?
Brother Ebou, an endorsement of a complete democratic exercise with transparency free of power greed and selfish individuals can lead us to a free Gambia with level playing field. A democratic primary where the voters choice the candidates should be a clear way to select a candidate.
The obstacle to that process off course are those who are not comfortable in their skins and are not keen to contest vigorously such fair method of choosing a candidate. NADD in fact had that provision in its MOU which would have led to a viable candidate being selected regardless of who it was.
We must allow the process to take its course to the finishing line. We have a daunting task of getting another coalition together before the next elections. I believe we can learn from our mistakes and do a better job of unifying the opposition on a clear foundation. Too much finger pointing here and there. How about we all drop the ball and say we screwed up all inclusive and regroup again.
Now we all know no one can win without the others regardless of whether you pulled 27%, 6% or what have you. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. in other words, we have tested our strengths and come out losers. So I hope the egos will be put aside and we all accept responsibility for what happened.
"Those who fear failure shall never succeed" so lets regroup and rearm. The power struggle can always be resolved through primaries. What say you??? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 03:10:22
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Originally posted by ebou4th
Correct me if I am wrong but I think the show stopper here is who gets to lead an alliance to defeat APRC. If there is a common objective then what do you guys think about using The NADD Executive Committee’s idea as a foundation to build a better united opposition? Is it possible to get all the opposition parties to agree to form an alliance without a flag bearer and hold primaries later? I think this will give the united opposition time to build a stronger grass roots. It will also give Gambians in Diaspora who want to contest time prepare for an active role in Gambian politics.
Will this work?
Brother Ebou, an endorsement of a complete democratic exercise with transparency free of power greed and selfish individuals can lead us to a free Gambia with level playing field. A democratic primary where the voters choice the candidates should be a clear way to select a candidate.
The obstacle to that process off course are those who are not comfortable in their skins and are not keen to contest vigorously such fair method of choosing a candidate. NADD in fact had that provision in its MOU which would have led to a viable candidate being selected regardless of who it was.
We must allow the process to take its course to the finishing line. We have a daunting task of getting another coalition together before the next elections. I believe we can learn from our mistakes and do a better job of unifying the opposition on a clear foundation. Too much finger pointing here and there. How about we all drop the ball and say we screwed up all inclusive and regroup again.
Now we all know no one can win without the others regardless of whether you pulled 27%, 6% or what have you. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. in other words, we have tested our strengths and come out losers. So I hope the egos will be put aside and we all accept responsibility for what happened.
"Those who fear failure shall never succeed" so lets regroup and rearm. The power struggle can always be resolved through primaries. What say you??? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 13:05:39
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Brother Ebou, an endorsement of a complete democratic exercise with transparency free of power greed and selfish individuals can lead us to a free Gambia with level playing field. A democratic primary where the voters choice the candidates should be a clear way to select a candidate.
The obstacle to that process off course are those who are not comfortable in their skins and are not keen to contest vigorously such fair method of choosing a candidate. NADD in fact had that provision in its MOU which would have led to a viable candidate being selected regardless of who it was.
Perhap you have not read these comments or you must be playing the game of a distortionist. See below;
Alhassan
Brothers and sisters,
All I red about the formation and election of NADD representation was wrong and undemocratic. I feel that leadership should have be elected at a congress. This was never the case. NAAD failed to look into the technicalities of formaing a coalitation. The way everything went was behind the voters. It was only executive members of the parties that were present and had deciaded to have a coalitation. I had hoped that they had consulted their party members at a congress. The party members must have the upper hand when it comes to forming a coalitation with other parties.
You do not need to be a Phd or Ma or BA. All you need as a leader is to have what we call SOCIAL COMPETENS.
Earlier on , I had said that NAAD was going to fail. My postings can be found on the All Gambian forum. The postings I hope are still on.
Remember, I am not a voter in the Gambia and supports all parties with sensible and reasonable programs for the Gambia.
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Nyarikangbanna's response [as amended]
Alhassan, they were not willing to do that because most of them have limited or no structures on the ground. UDP is the only opposition party that has structures throughout the length and breadth of the Gambia, save for Foni. The idea of forming a committee to draw a criteria and then decides who fit in and who doesn't was just a way of thwarting the prospect of a primary as stipulated in the MOU, which would have being fatal to the agendas of conspiracy groups. Halifa's disciples under the leadership of Suwaibou Touray and with the backing of the Ayatollah himself were even openly and vigorously campaigning against the idea of a primary,and were soliciting public support for their position so as to make it difficult for the UDP to ask for that provision of the MOU to be invoked. As far as I know, some UDP Chairmen/women were even brief about an apparently eminent primary election in which the UDP leader was going to be a front runner. Some might say 'but the UDP could have resisted this since every decision was to be based on unanimity'. I think that argument is preposterous given that election was just at the door while the opposition was trapped in endless meetings. This cost the UDP a lot for it provided an opportunity for the APRC to penetrate their support base, and indeed they did. Mr Darboe and the UDP were very concern about this but they still felt obliged to keep their party activities on hold in line with NADD's code of conduct. When it became abundantly clear that progress within NADD is at odds with time, they decided to do the right thing. I am behind them.
I am willing to accept the suggestion that we should open a new page but I will be dismisive of any suggestion that it is Darboe and the UDP who are largely responsible for what had happened. If that is the new position of the spinning misinformers, then any future call for opposition unity will inevitably fail. There is nothing to be objective about here. The UDP and Mr Darboe are simply not culpable.
Thanks
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 23 Feb 2007 13:27:23 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 13:05:39
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Brother Ebou, an endorsement of a complete democratic exercise with transparency free of power greed and selfish individuals can lead us to a free Gambia with level playing field. A democratic primary where the voters choice the candidates should be a clear way to select a candidate.
The obstacle to that process off course are those who are not comfortable in their skins and are not keen to contest vigorously such fair method of choosing a candidate. NADD in fact had that provision in its MOU which would have led to a viable candidate being selected regardless of who it was.
Perhap you have not read these comments or you must be playing the game of a distortionist. See below;
Alhassan
Brothers and sisters,
All I red about the formation and election of NADD representation was wrong and undemocratic. I feel that leadership should have be elected at a congress. This was never the case. NAAD failed to look into the technicalities of formaing a coalitation. The way everything went was behind the voters. It was only executive members of the parties that were present and had deciaded to have a coalitation. I had hoped that they had consulted their party members at a congress. The party members must have the upper hand when it comes to forming a coalitation with other parties.
You do not need to be a Phd or Ma or BA. All you need as a leader is to have what we call SOCIAL COMPETENS.
Earlier on , I had said that NAAD was going to fail. My postings can be found on the All Gambian forum. The postings I hope are still on.
Remember, I am not a voter in the Gambia and supports all parties with sensible and reasonable programs for the Gambia.
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Nyarikangbanna's response [as amended]
Alhassan, they were not willing to do that because most of them have limited or no structures on the ground. UDP is the only opposition party that has structures throughout the length and breadth of the Gambia, save for Foni. The idea of forming a committee to draw a criteria and then decides who fit in and who doesn't was just a way of thwarting the prospect of a primary as stipulated in the MOU, which would have being fatal to the agendas of conspiracy groups. Halifa's disciples under the leadership of Suwaibou Touray and with the backing of the Ayatollah himself were even openly and vigorously campaigning against the idea of a primary,and were soliciting public support for their position so as to make it difficult for the UDP to ask for that provision of the MOU to be invoked. As far as I know, some UDP Chairmen/women were even brief about an apparently eminent primary election in which the UDP leader was going to be a front runner. Some might say 'but the UDP could have resisted this since every decision was to be based on unanimity'. I think that argument is preposterous given that election was just at the door while the opposition was trapped in endless meetings. This cost the UDP a lot for it provided an opportunity for the APRC to penetrate their support base, and indeed they did. Mr Darboe and the UDP were very concern about this but they still felt obliged to keep their party activities on hold in line with NADD's code of conduct. When it became abundantly clear that progress within NADD is at odds with time, they decided to do the right thing. I am behind them.
I am willing to accept the suggestion that we should open a new page but I will be dismisive of any suggestion that it is Darboe and the UDP who are largely responsible for what had happened. If that is the new position of the spinning misinformers, then any future call for opposition unity will inevitably fail. There is nothing to be objective about here. The UDP and Mr Darboe are simply not culpable.
Thanks
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 23 Feb 2007 13:27:23 |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 13:15:22
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Alhassan, they were not willing to do that because most of them have limited or no structures on the ground. UDP is the only opposition party that has structures throughout the length and breadth of the Gambia, save for Foni. The idea of forming a committee to draw a criteria and then decides who fit in and who doesn't was just a way of thwarting the prospect of a primary as stipulated in the MOU, which would have being fatal to the agendas of conspiracy groups. Some might say 'but the UDP could have resisted this since every decision was to be based on unanimity'. I think that argument is preposterous given that election was just at the door while the opposition was trapped in endless meetings. This cost the UDP a lot for it provided an opportunity for the APRC to penetrate their support base, and indeed they did. Mr Darboe and the UDP were very concern about this but they still felt obliged to keep their party activities on hold in line with NADD's code of conduct. When it became abundantly clear that progress within NADD is at odds with time, they decided to do the right thing. I am behind them.
I am willing to accept the suggestion that we should open a new page but I will be dismisive of any suggestion that it is Darboe and the UDP who are largely responsible for what had happened. If that is the new position of the spinning misinformers, then any future call for opposition unity will inevitably fail. There is nothing to be objective about here. The UDP and Mr Darboe are simply not culpable.
Thanks
Bro,
I give you my support when ever you are redy to implement.
Have a nice weekend |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 13:15:22
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Alhassan, they were not willing to do that because most of them have limited or no structures on the ground. UDP is the only opposition party that has structures throughout the length and breadth of the Gambia, save for Foni. The idea of forming a committee to draw a criteria and then decides who fit in and who doesn't was just a way of thwarting the prospect of a primary as stipulated in the MOU, which would have being fatal to the agendas of conspiracy groups. Some might say 'but the UDP could have resisted this since every decision was to be based on unanimity'. I think that argument is preposterous given that election was just at the door while the opposition was trapped in endless meetings. This cost the UDP a lot for it provided an opportunity for the APRC to penetrate their support base, and indeed they did. Mr Darboe and the UDP were very concern about this but they still felt obliged to keep their party activities on hold in line with NADD's code of conduct. When it became abundantly clear that progress within NADD is at odds with time, they decided to do the right thing. I am behind them.
I am willing to accept the suggestion that we should open a new page but I will be dismisive of any suggestion that it is Darboe and the UDP who are largely responsible for what had happened. If that is the new position of the spinning misinformers, then any future call for opposition unity will inevitably fail. There is nothing to be objective about here. The UDP and Mr Darboe are simply not culpable.
Thanks
Bro,
I give you my support when ever you are redy to implement.
Have a nice weekend |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 13:30:34
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Thanks Alhassan for that offer. Much appreciated. Please take notice of the amendments in the posting.
Cheers |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 13:30:34
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Thanks Alhassan for that offer. Much appreciated. Please take notice of the amendments in the posting.
Cheers |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 14:39:43
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How about this!
Can we in the Diaspora agree to back the idea of a United Opposition that will determine its flag bearer through primaries? If we agree on this idea then why not form a group that will sell this idea. All we need is a couple of dedicated progressive Gambians who are willing to put the interest of the country before party affiliation. If we can forge this group I guarantee you other will follow.
Brother Nyarikangbanna I would thank you for your tireless effort in this forum. What do you think about my suggession? Will you sign on this idea? How about you sister Kobo? Who else thinks this will work?
If anyone has a better suggestions please put it forward.
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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ebou4th
USA
106 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 14:39:43
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How about this!
Can we in the Diaspora agree to back the idea of a United Opposition that will determine its flag bearer through primaries? If we agree on this idea then why not form a group that will sell this idea. All we need is a couple of dedicated progressive Gambians who are willing to put the interest of the country before party affiliation. If we can forge this group I guarantee you other will follow.
Brother Nyarikangbanna I would thank you for your tireless effort in this forum. What do you think about my suggession? Will you sign on this idea? How about you sister Kobo? Who else thinks this will work?
If anyone has a better suggestions please put it forward.
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“Revolutions are brought about by men, by men who think as men of action and act as men of thought.”
Kwame Nkrumah
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sidibeh
Sweden
10 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 15:33:11
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C. Edward Hamelberg,
I sent an edited version of part two to Gambia-L, but even that was the wrong edited version. I have combined the two parts and so I re-edited the whole article. Many readers wrote privately and suggested that I make .pdf format of it. (I´ll get in touch with Momodou - the big admin - so he can load it up those who would like to download this edited version).
True, simplicity is always best. It was purely accidental if turned out to be difficult, and it would be great if one thinks of the Gambian voter while writing such stuff. The problem, though, is that the average Gambian voter has no internet access.
I noted also that looking at the article generally, one quickly notices that it was intended for the Gambian reader. The background information left much to be desired for anyone unfamiliar with Gambian politics. But again, it was precisely for that reason that it was posted to Gambia-L. Now I have seen that someone has even sent it to AllAfrica.com; a truly horrible thing to do, I should say.
The response here is quite good, and hopefully the more we know, the better our history will reflect a collective input.
Many thanks,
Momodou S Sidibeh |
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sidibeh
Sweden
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 15:33:11
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C. Edward Hamelberg,
I sent an edited version of part two to Gambia-L, but even that was the wrong edited version. I have combined the two parts and so I re-edited the whole article. Many readers wrote privately and suggested that I make .pdf format of it. (I´ll get in touch with Momodou - the big admin - so he can load it up those who would like to download this edited version).
True, simplicity is always best. It was purely accidental if turned out to be difficult, and it would be great if one thinks of the Gambian voter while writing such stuff. The problem, though, is that the average Gambian voter has no internet access.
I noted also that looking at the article generally, one quickly notices that it was intended for the Gambian reader. The background information left much to be desired for anyone unfamiliar with Gambian politics. But again, it was precisely for that reason that it was posted to Gambia-L. Now I have seen that someone has even sent it to AllAfrica.com; a truly horrible thing to do, I should say.
The response here is quite good, and hopefully the more we know, the better our history will reflect a collective input.
Many thanks,
Momodou S Sidibeh |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 16:16:39
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Originally posted by ebou4th
How about this!
Can we in the Diaspora agree to back the idea of a United Opposition that will determine its flag bearer through primaries? If we agree on this idea then why not form a group that will sell this idea. All we need is a couple of dedicated progressive Gambians who are willing to put the interest of the country before party affiliation. If we can forge this group I guarantee you other will follow.
Brother Nyarikangbanna I would thank you for your tireless effort in this forum. What do you think about my suggession? Will you sign on this idea? How about you sister Kobo? Who else thinks this will work?
If anyone has a better suggestions please put it forward.
Given that Party led alliance is the only form of coalition subsisting in law, will you then agree with me that an alliance reminiscent of the UDP/NRP/GPDP Alliance is the only way forward and that efforts should now be made to group all opposition forces in that sort of grouping?
Ebou, I once asked you this [above] question but you failed to answer. Let us not make a short cut here because it will take us nowhere. There is a big hurdle to climb if your dream of opposition unity is to be realized. Under what form of umbrella are we coming together? The NADD formula or anything akin to it is simply untenable. It does not subsist in law and has a great potential of annihilating contracting parties. Minute parties like NDAM can afford to disappear because they have never make a mark on the Gambia's political landscape but for a party like UDP or NRP to be susceptible to the same fate is too dangerous for our democracy. That is why we need to be bold enough to accept realities on the ground especially in terms of variance of support base between the opposition parties. No coalition, anywhere in the world, have succeeded without taking cognisance of such factors, and it is not any excuse to say 'yeah no single party can defeat Jammeh' because no coalition without the natural leadership of the UDP with a support base of over 75% of the opposition electoral population, can also defeat Jammeh. It is a fact no matter what anybody says.
You can now answer this question and I will tell you whether this suggestion is feasible or otherwise. If you choose to shy away from the question then you might as well concentrate on doing something else.
Thanks
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 23 Feb 2007 17:40:57 |
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