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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 17:43:46
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Originally posted by tamsier
I sincerely apologise for bringing this issue back after two years. Just visiting old postings when I came upon it. But hey! it is our history, so I hope you dont mind. Alhassan is right, about Demba Sonko and the british govern. Those who are quick at criticising Alhassan should eat their words. Njucks is also correct as far as what was traded is concern - [the contract list all goods to be given to the king by the british in addition to the financial sum].
No one was quick to condemn anyone. This is a history discussion and history is as fluid as water. It takes the shape of the writer or the narrator.
The fact that it took you two years to come up with "evidence", clearly indicates something.
I dont think your sentence highlighted above is of any help in generating ideas.
I have seen the contract copy at some point and infact have seen even more serious accounts at the court of the King of Nuimi, who accroding a group of priests from Banjul, to their suprise, that the king put alcohol in a kettle seemingly to look like he uses it for abolution (Muslim cleansing before prayers). That meeting had to be cancelled for he was too drunk to enter into any serious discussion with them. Some parts of history are better left unsaid.
Alhassan has wrote some things here that were not correct and had to be rectified. I too have rectified myself.
For eaxmple he said that PPP promised the rural people the houses of people of Banjul if they won. That has no basis of any sort and a dangerous and calculated devisive and distorted account of the events leading to independence in 1965. It never was. I discussed that in detail here and gave evidences that it was infact people in banjul who did ask Jawara to ".. go back to your country.." wrtten on the walls in Banjul in 1965.
Lets get over with this.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 18:59:50
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Tamsier
thanks for bring back this topic. looks even more interesting after 2 years.
however, i think going back to the old topic, i think there should be some programme to preserve some of the old buildings and architecture in Banjul atleast from a historical standpoint. its interesting to note that some old '' krintin'' reinforced buildings are standing more than 100 yrs on.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 19:55:38
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| Kondorong, I think it shows more of your narrow mindedness than me really. I only joined this site in 2007, and there are thousands of posting on this site since it was first created, you dont expect me to go through every single one within a few months. This is the first time I came across that posting -, so less of your accusation of taking me two years to gather evidence. For the record, that copy had been in my family for decades. Therefore, if I saw the posting back in 2007 'when I joined this site', i would have said the same thing. Even if you are correct that it took me two years to gather evidence,what is wrong with that? I dont know about you, but for me, that signals someone who question facts, do their own research rather than believe what is fed to them without getting off their own back - a quality i respect dearly. Going by your posting, you surely dont hold this human quality in high regard. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 20:02:47
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| To demolish buildings that are part of history is not good,progress has to continue BUT at least one building of each type should be preserved so that others in the future can see them,once they are gone they are gone, a prime example for preservation,and an alternative use is the OLD BANJUL Magistrates Court,although it still exists for the moment, all the front is covered with traders selling their wares, I listened to a case there many years ago,quite an experience,it was hot but the female clerk "apparantly" just couldnt keep awake and put her head on her hands on the desk and "appeared " to be sleeping, while the court just droned on and on,the Magistrate though was wide awake and dressed in a fine suit, white shirt and tie.Times gone forever........ shame. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Apr 2008 : 22:58:27
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Originally posted by tamsier
Kondorong, I think it shows more of your narrow mindedness than me really. I only joined this site in 2007, and there are thousands of posting on this site since it was first created, you dont expect me to go through every single one within a few months. This is the first time I came across that posting -, so less of your accusation of taking me two years to gather evidence. For the record, that copy had been in my family for decades. Therefore, if I saw the posting back in 2007 'when I joined this site', i would have said the same thing. Even if you are correct that it took me two years to gather evidence,what is wrong with that? I dont know about you, but for me, that signals someone who question facts, do their own research rather than believe what is fed to them without getting off their own back - a quality i respect dearly. Going by your posting, you surely dont hold this human quality in high regard.
You are right. In cyber space anyone can take on any role. So Tamsier could have been Kondorong or even Nyaringbanna.
So when it comes to matters of who is who, i just can't argue and be sure of who i am dealing. So, to make matters easier for you, YOU ARE RIGHT.
The thing is your posting did not add anything new. Just be assured that you will not drag me into a mudslinging venture as you are right that i am "very narrow minded" in only discussing issues of common sense. I just dont have that wide mind to discuss the irrelevants. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 10:45:06
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Kondorong, most of your last posting is not making sense to me[talk of common sense]. I dont understand what 'me being you or Nyaringbanna' has to do with the issue at hand. I can assure you I am tamsier, you are you and Nyaringbanna is Nyaringbanna. I dont find the need to switch names, I am quite happy with mine thank you very much. May be you switch names that is not my concern.
As regards to your point that my posting added nothing new, that just goes to show your mentality. To simplify it for you, there were some disagreement between the facts you and certain people presented and the facts Alhassan presented. The purpose of my posting was to substantiate what Alhassan was saying based on material evidence in my possession, thereby settling the issue at hand. My aim was not to attack anyone, but only to share the facts. If you look at my initial posting on this issue, I only cited two names: Alhassan and Njucks, the purpose of which was to substantiate what they said. If you fail to comprehend this - 'Mr Common Sense', that is your problem not mine. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 30 Apr 2008 10:52:13 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 18:09:21
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You indicated a time line saying that you joined in 2007 whilst the topic started in 2006. I cannot substantiate that as a fact since the site prcedes both timelines and memebrs register here and there.
So that is why i say, i cannot subtantiate whether Tamsier is Kondorong or Nyaringbanna. Just to show how shallow your reasoning is, and rush to conclusion, is your believe that kondorong is different from Nyaringbanna and Tamsier? May be tamsier is another Nyaringbanna Because the odd one in the trio is Kondorong and i am not Tamsier or Nyaring. There fore if you are sure the three are different, then may be you are doubling as Nyaring as well.
I will give you a simple advise from Karl Max "Umnibus Dubi tandum"
Well i do know that common sense is not common after all. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 19:09:41
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OK, Milking stools at dawn it is then! have you both got seconds? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 19:36:01
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| What do you mean? |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 20:04:16
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Originally posted by kondorong
What do you mean?
IN medieval times in Europe men used to fight what was called a "duel" to settle arguements, if they felt insulted by something some else had said about them then they would challange them to a duel the challange was issued by the one who had been insulted striking the other man across the cheek with a gauntlet (glove) traditionally these duels were fought at dawn with a weapon selected by the man who had recieved the challange,as there were bound to be injuries at any fight each man supplied a friend or other man(called a Second) of his choosing who would look after his interests and provide support for him at the duel,weapons could be anything swords guns clubs or if they wanted(or were very proficient at using) "milking stools"(a small wooden 3 legged chair which you sat on to milk a cow),it was thought to be an honorable way of settling the problem when nothing else could.Common people didnt particiapte it was only gentlemen.
Thats my understanding anyway although I may be in error over the technicalities not being a historian.!
I hope this has explained what was meant to be a comment!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2008 : 10:57:06
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Kondorong
'I can assure you I am Tamsier, you are you and Nyaringbanna is Nyaringbanna. I dont find the need to switch names, I am quite happy with mine thank you very much. May be you switch names that is not my concern'. That was what I said, and if you look at the context in which it was used, I am trying to tell you that I am Tamsier and not you or Nyaringbanna. The last sentence - 'May be you switch names that is not my concern' - touches on the issue you raise i.e. name switching. I am trying to tell you that if you switch names, then I dont care, because I know I dont find the need to do so myself. The trouble in registering twice under a different name in this kind of site - the purpose [or one of its purposes]of which is to share and exchange ideas, although it may happen, as far as I am concern I find it weak unless there is a genuine reason for doing so [what? I dont know]. Although I acknowledge, I worded part of my posting - [concerning name swithing]wrongly, the whole context was obvious. But as far as you are concerned, oh no! you just wanted to 'pick wholes' at something so irrelevant to the issue at hand. Kondorong! you need to get out more. Watch that temper is not good for your heart. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 01 May 2008 11:16:12 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2008 : 17:33:18
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Tamsier
Thanks
for the advise, i will go out immediately and get fresh air. The prolem is its hot here in Yoro bawol |
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