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jambo
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 Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 18:43:18
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formby if you are serious about bringing your friend over consider this, visa relie on support does show own her own compund, is she a professioanl person teacher, etc, does she have financial stability in Gambia.
This is what they are looking for, i have passed the UK embassy many times and I see a few white women with young men waiting in line, at least 5 = 20 application a week, you do the maths, somebody has to get rejected.
I have only ever seen one white man in line, I think that is because they marry and set up the female in Gambia. I am sure that could incorrect but even so you do the maths someone has to get rejected.
Most of the times the person who is making the application sounds suspicision, like to bank account, does not own their own home, no stability, it is just instinct but you get the picture.
cover your own back because they will ask you some serious questions.
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Formby
United Kingdom
246 Posts |
Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 18:55:16
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No she has no security whatsoever. I just want to give her a holiday because we always knock about together whenever I'm in Gambia and we're now mates, of the same age-ish, who do what mates do (you know, clothes, make-up, gossiping about men, sneaking out to the pub etc). Admittedly if she found a man in the time she was here, she'd be happy about it, but hey if I found one in Gambia who wasn't a young boy who had nowt to say except 'let's get married' I might be happy about that myself!
I have quite a responsible Govt job and security myself in terms of property, wage security etc and was kind of hoping that it would be enough. It really does pee me off that because she is in a situation where she hasn't got alot, it might mean she can't even come to visit. |
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jojo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Aug 2006 : 21:45:07
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| We have invited friends over several times. This year my daughter has invited a friend to her wedding. You have to give - (your) personal bank details, proof of employment, wage slips, copy of your passport, and a letter of invite. I think once they have been here once, and returned it is easier. Or perhaps if a charity invites it is easier? I don't know. It is certainly very unfair. |
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 10:35:43
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Research from Australia showed that the largest group of people to overstay their visa came from Britain!
An independent immigration monitor has condemned visa officials for refusing to grant visa because applicants were poor.
A report by the Independent Monitor for Entry Clearance revealed that around 46,000 people have been wrongly refused the right to appeal against a decision to turn down their visa application.
Monitor Fiona Lindsay said that thousands of potential visitors to Britain were being discriminated against by visa officials.
In the report published in July, she said: Visa nationals from poor, unstable, politically repressive countries which are known to generate asylum-seekers and which are presumed to generate significant numbers of illegal workers will be required to justify their need to travel, beyond the simple requirement of the immigration rules.”
She added: “In effect they are required to satisfy a higher burden of proof to obtain a visa than others because they meet a socio-economic profile that is believed to indicate they are a risk and provide little economic benefit to the UK if granted leave to enter.
The discrimination is unlawful because there are no ministerial authorisations allowing individuals from particular nationalities to be treated differently for entry clearance into the UK. Lindsay said there was no research to prove the assumption that those from poor countries were more likely to remain illegally in Britain. She added that research from Australia showed that the largest group of overstayers came from Britain.
I know that visitors from The Gambia have no right of appeal to their six-month visa, but I thought you might like this info culled from www.voice-online.co.uk
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 11:27:14
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| Sab thanks for sending in the link, the voice highlights a lot of incidences of racist immigration laws. This will give readers an insight into what African and Asian migrants are up against when trying to enter the UK. http://www.voice-online.co.uk/content.php?show=8748 |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 15:33:45
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Originally posted by toubab
I don't doubt many drugs and weapons are bought through in dipomatic bags all over the world. A few weeks ago we were shown a compound in SerreKunda that deals in drugs, bought into the country by diplomats,they were expecting brisk business during the forthcoming AU!! And the compound had a couple of police outside for protection.!
Tobab,
I doubt if the Gambia government was awear of this. How do you yourself know that drugs were there? You are an acomplish if you knew and did'nt inform the authorities |
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toubab
Gambia
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 18:03:17
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| Alhassan, I did not say that I knew drugs were there, It was merely pointed out that this compound was the place that Gambians knew drugs were sold from!! I think most governments know what goes on in their own countries, do you really believe that there are no drugs on sale here, and that the authorities are not aware of it. |
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toubab
Gambia
92 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 19:41:43
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Interesting article Sab, I'm not surprised that the Brits are in the majority of overstaying their visas - they seem to flock there in their thousands every year!! Australia has stringent rules for entry, the maximum age is 44yrs and you must have a skill that is in demand, if you are over that age you must be in good health and prove you have the means (money) to support yourself. Therefore alot of people go on a six month visa.............! Every country has a right to set its own immigration laws, BUT, they must be fair to ALL applying, which as we know is not always the case.
In the case of the UK, should we have an open door policy, which would be the ideal in my mind,but could the country sustain it.How difficult was it for you Gambians living in the UK and Sweden to get residence, you are in the ideal position to help others through the system, which appears to me to be a lottery! |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 23:21:23
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Originally posted by toubab
Alhassan, I did not say that I knew drugs were there, It was merely pointed out that this compound was the place that Gambians knew drugs were sold from!! I think most governments know what goes on in their own countries, do you really believe that there are no drugs on sale here, and that the authorities are not aware of it.
Toubab,
I am not in the Gambia and have not being living permanently since 1969.
I just visit or I have worked there between 1973 and 1976 , then left again just to return for visits. You realy know the situation better than me. |
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toubab
Gambia
92 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 14:27:46
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| Wow, thats a long time to be away from your country, and no doubt you notice the changes when you visit. Certainly the Uk of the 50s and 60s that I grew up in is not the same as the one my neices and nephews are growing up in now, some things are better, but not all, and that I'm afraid is a product of advancement. Until the Gambia can provide the young people with a productive future the scramble for visas will continue, legally and illegally. The other day we were offered 100,000 dls to get a visa for someone, through a middleman, needless to say we wouldn't consider it and anyway as we have no address in the UK we couldn't help anyway.All the younger generation want is to be able to earn a decent living and with that goes the ability to make choices. Investment for businesses in this country is not viable until the infrastructure is sorted.The markets here are flooded with Chinese imports, that could be produced here, given the opportunity. Until this is addressed people will contine to migrate any way they find possible, and who can blame them. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 15:39:46
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Originally posted by toubab
Wow, thats a long time to be away from your country, and no doubt you notice the changes when you visit. Certainly the Uk of the 50s and 60s that I grew up in is not the same as the one my neices and nephews are growing up in now, some things are better, but not all, and that I'm afraid is a product of advancement. Until the Gambia can provide the young people with a productive future the scramble for visas will continue, legally and illegally. The other day we were offered 100,000 dls to get a visa for someone, through a middleman, needless to say we wouldn't consider it and anyway as we have no address in the UK we couldn't help anyway.All the younger generation want is to be able to earn a decent living and with that goes the ability to make choices. Investment for businesses in this country is not viable until the infrastructure is sorted.The markets here are flooded with Chinese imports, that could be produced here, given the opportunity. Until this is addressed people will contine to migrate any way they find possible, and who can blame them.
Toubab,
100,000 dalasis can start a small buisness in the Gambia. The person must be crazy.
You are quite right. I hope the government learns from the experience. I would like to see more production of comodities from the Gambia. There is a problem that most of us encountered when we went to school. We were encouraged to be pen pushers. Sorry to say that the colonial master at the time did not encourage technical knowhow withn Gambians. Every body wants to sit in an office with a big table to adminstrate.I don't know howmany Gambians stuidied economics and political science. Today what are they doing? They are not productive in the sense that they are not technically trained to manage production of any kind. They just adminstrate. All of us cannot administer, some must be in the factories and workshops producing things for export, not for consumtion in the Gambia only. Compared with our neighbour Senegal, they are more productive state wise than Gambia.
If you look at the situation today Gambia lacks a lot of techincal know how and this is what we realy need. |
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toubab
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 16:01:04
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| What you say is ouite correct Alhassan, Jamaica was the same after colonialisation, everyone was a pen pusher, but that has been addressed by people returning home and taking their skills with them. I think out of the 200 odd charities and NGOs here that there is only one that teaches technical skills - so anyone out there interested!!! |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 16:31:47
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Originally posted by toubab
What you say is ouite correct Alhassan, Jamaica was the same after colonialisation, everyone was a pen pusher, but that has been addressed by people returning home and taking their skills with them. I think out of the 200 odd charities and NGOs here that there is only one that teaches technical skills - so anyone out there interested!!!
Which one is it?
200 charities and NGOs are far too much for this small country! Of course there are organizations who do a good job, but the so-called 3rd World is also a big market for self-appointed 'helpers'. And as it can't be their interest to bite the hand that feeds them, it is questionable that all efforts really lead to success. I remember someone posted here that Africans knew for 10.000 years how to farm, but now are declared dependent on foreign 'teaching'. Very true. But technical skills are something else; this could be the sector where Gambia really needs 'help'. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 18:02:25
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Originally posted by serenata
200 charities and NGOs are far too much for this small country! Of course there are organizations who do a good job, but the so-called 3rd World is also a big market for self-appointed 'helpers'.
there is truth in every word in that sentence. what is even more sad is that there is a lot of overlap, people doing the same thing. bizarrely donor agencies now favour NGOs to give their money. so countries borrow money so NGOs can spend it. its crazy. i dont know why NGOs dont borrow it directly!!!
Africa is the biggest NGO market in the world. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 18:40:23
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Originally posted by njucksthere is truth in every word in that sentence. what is even more sad is that there is a lot of overlap, people doing the same thing. bizarrely donor agencies now favour NGOs to give their money. so countries borrow money so NGOs can spend it. its crazy. i dont know why NGOs dont borrow it directly!!!
Africa is the biggest NGO market in the world.
...and war regions must be worst. I read about the big NGO rush to Afghanistan after the official end of the war. Disgusting. It proved that many of these organziations have something like a vulture mentality.
But the reason why money is given to NGOs instead of governments could be that NGOs seem to be more honest. At least there is a chance that the money doesn't diffuse straight into some greedy politicians' pockets... |
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