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kajaw
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 Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 21:43:47
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I was talking to someone in the gambia and he informed me that Drugs have become serious problem in the country. My informant told me that drugs like Cocaine Cristal Meth and extacy are being poliferated in the gambia by mainly Nigerians and Liberians. I dont know how serious this problems but one thing i know my friend is a very responsible person and it is apparently serious enough for him to be really alarmed. He is also worried about the HIV cases and is suggesting that the caseas are grossly underreported. Again i could not verify these assertions. My question is, Should Gambia rethink their immigration policies?
My friend also named two villages in Numi where he said they are growing weed in the open like one will grow rice or "findo" in open fields. Is this true for you Numinkas. I didnt know that you are the Columbia of gambia :). Please dont take this too seriously. But honestly thogh are people growing weed in the open in the Gambia?
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Dembish
Gambia
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 00:30:03
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Kajaw I did not know much about the illicite drugs believed to be infiltrated in our country by foreigners, but as a Nuimika I knew the Ginak Islanders which consist of four villages, two in The Gambia and two in Senegal use to grow canabis before,however I can't ascertain that they still grow this stuff hence I was once aware of a massive drug squard raid led by captain Suwareh the then NBD commissioner to the said Island resulting to aresst of many islander.
The reason the Islanders gave for growing canabis was that the Islands soil is very poor and infatile to groundnut, maize amd millet cultivation but funny enough canabis really grows well on the soil and coconut tree.I personally visited the island once about ten year ago and to be honest I did not see their canabish plantations believed to be in the bushes but I have seen a lot of Coconut trees they even constitutes must trees on the Island.This is why Ginak is known as the coconut Island.I was also told that not all the Islanders are canabish cultivators and some travell five miles to seven miles on a daily basis to their farms in the neihbouring villages like Mbankam to cultivate groundnut or whatever during the wet season.wheather this is true or not, the the Gambia goverment should be able to ascertain that, but so far so good thats the knowledge I god about This nuimi island and its drug cultivation.
Note: Is not the entire Nuimi but a particular Island within nuimi.
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 00:43:16
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Dembish,
what is the notion that any Gov't official who visits the place (Ginak),regarding the alleged canabis Sitiva becomes a victim of misfortune-either get fired or have accidents. How true is it ? Didn't Suwareh get fired after his action ? Or was it just by mere coincidence ? I avoid being fetish, though i respect believes that people have regarding certain locations. Jamaicans don't see weed as a drug. It is seen as a herb. I heard it cures certain diseases like hepatitis-cancer disease of the liver-is that sure ? I tried weed in 1998, made me feel dizzy and excited-group mates pressure, party times. Anybody else tried it too ? I see it just as cigarettes, but little heavier. Excessiveness of anything-even food becomes an intoxicant substance. The Somali chewing leaves, "chad", is made illegal in America, though, legal in their country-and they still deal with it in their restaurants. What concerns me here, perhaps the religious and cultural morals behind using it, but if it gets any medical values, then what will be the sin for curing yourself with it ? It is also a good source of income anywhere. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Edited by - Dalton1 on 31 Jul 2006 00:52:00 |
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kajaw
70 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 01:47:17
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Quiet interesting. Thanks for the information. I would like to add a few things. First of all, just because people in ginak live in soil that is less fertile is no excuse for illigal behavior. If one is allowed to use such justifications, there are countless more reasons that one could present to make criminal behavior benign.
Second, if you say the village is an island, i would immergine that they engage in fishing and other activities along the river.
Third, if it is impossible to live in the village why not move to another place.
As to the superstition that anyone who arrest them will be in trouble, it is just that. Superstiton. Of course, it is in the interest of the ilanders to perpetuate such superstitions just so they will not be arrested.
On the question of drugs. Numerous scientific research have suggested that the drug causes damage to brain cells and very harmful to the brain. It is not simply like cigarette. There are very important differences between the two. Of course there are some medical values and it is often used as an excuse. However, it is also true that the pain killer Oxycontent has medical values yet, people are not allowed to use it at random and without the supervision of a doctor. What you are suggesting is to use it for recreational purposes and not for medical purposes. To use something for medical purposes, it is usually directed at a specific problem that is adressed by a compitent person. Self medication in this case is recreational. |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 04:25:08
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KJ,
From ur postings in this forum, one clearly sees that you don't believe in those attachments. But the Nuiminkas are likely to disagree with you on this one. Hopefully, we will see some narrations about Ginak here, and whether the attribution is true or just a superstition as you mentioned, according to what is narrated-then such happens by coincidence a lot.
You know i am a foninka, where we have the famous "meteis"-jalangs. I need not to ask you about what you think about them. But let me ask you what you think about our protections against knives, "Balandanyo", etc...Tell me what you think about those pistols and knives being used without a penetration. For one i think it is in existence, but that only through the will and name of God. I hope my point won't be misunderstood. I believe that the only true protection is God-eternal. I am far from a user of such believers honestly, but like a saying goes "seeing is believing."
With regards to the sitiva, if it is a herb for some, so be it. In my village, people use the backs of trees and many other leaves for medical purposes. Like the neem tree for curing malaria. It often worried me of a possible overdoze, but i've seen it worked almost all the time. Way before westernized medicines came to being, ours have always depended on such. Could it be this sitiva when explored will be useful, rather than being termed a drug ? But what worries me of course as a muslim is the teaching against it. I neither smoke cigarette nor weed-for the records.
Infact, many told me that the sitiva is better than cigarettes. On a cigarette package, it clearly says "seriously damages health", and yet made legal everywhere.
For a fact, i know for certain the sitiva can elevate one in their level of thinking, and i know that it is a proven fact-where the brain works a little faster. So could this also be given respect as a stimulant ? I just know exessiveness in any thing becomes wrong. Somalis are very religious, and their "chad"-chewing leaves are scientifically proven a drug, but they still chew it to elevate themselves in thinking.
With regards to in and out movement of drugs, believe it or not, it has to run. The business is very profitable (quick money), though illegal and risky. Probably not the right usage-"profitable" on something that is made illegal. The jailed ex-Gambian mp,Suso, and one ninja who was doing it with him are all languishing in mile two. Suso was a respected fellow, and a helpful guy to many families until he met his demise. If it can be traced at that level, then to which other angle won't it we expect it?
Note: I am not campaigning for the usage of weed, just a pattern of arguement.I also wait to see the arguement that will be forwarded here by the Nuiminkas regarding Ginak. All i know, it is so widespread and known that merely ruling out its validity cannot easily convince thousands. Also, if such a superstition is used to scare authorities, it must have been an intelligent setting. It is believe to be the only island in the Gambia where weed has been grown without interruption from Gov't.Thanks for your part.
And i stand to be rectified on any of my assertion. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 19:25:09
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Of course for drugs there are a lot of double standards. Cigarettes and alcohol are allowed; every doctor can make his patients addicted to psychotropic substances like Barbiturates. On the whole it seems that as long as industrial interests are touched, any toxic is legal. This is one side.
On the other side there is no doubt that illegal drugs cause terrible damage; they are at least as desastrous as the above mentioned. Derivates like Cocaine, Heroin, Crack etc. are out of the question. They are nothing but destructive, and this doesn't only concern health. But even Ganja, a harmless drug at occasional use, can be dangerous if you smoke it regularly. The more if you are psychically unstable, or if your living conditions are depressing and stressful.
I saw farmers in the Indian and Nepali highlands sitting on a bench in front of the house, smoking their evening hookah, in peace with themselves and with the world. They worked hard during daytime, and in the evenings they relaxed with what is the traditional culture drug of this region. Their living conditions were healthy, stable and not stressing, so 'Lord Shiva's sacred herb' didn't harm them.
But the conditions in our western world are different. Just recently I saw a young Gambian who smoked too much end up in the secure unit of a psychiatric hospital. It was not his first time there. And I heard that in Cologne/Germany, there is a department of the university clinic specialised on cannabis psychoses... |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 19:55:11
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Originally posted by Dalton1
Dembish,
what is the notion that any Gov't official who visits the place (Ginak),regarding the alleged canabis Sitiva becomes a victim of misfortune-either get fired or have accidents. How true is it ? Didn't Suwareh get fired after his action ? Or was it just by mere coincidence ? I avoid being fetish, though i respect believes that people have regarding certain locations. Jamaicans don't see weed as a drug. It is seen as a herb. I heard it cures certain diseases like hepatitis-cancer disease of the liver-is that sure ? I tried weed in 1998, made me feel dizzy and excited-group mates pressure, party times. Anybody else tried it too ? I see it just as cigarettes, but little heavier. Excessiveness of anything-even food becomes an intoxicant substance. The Somali chewing leaves, "chad", is made illegal in America, though, legal in their country-and they still deal with it in their restaurants. What concerns me here, perhaps the religious and cultural morals behind using it, but if it gets any medical values, then what will be the sin for curing yourself with it ? It is also a good source of income anywhere.
Well that has always been a believe in the Gambia. Law enforcement officials who visisted the village always end up in some mifortune.
In the same vein, the village of Dobo is never visisted by a sitting president or ruler. Jawara in 30 years drove pass but never visisted. Junkung has also never visisted although he did drive by the village.
No one ever tried to bust the myth. THERE ARE MANY NO GO AREAS AND FOR SOME REASONS OUR LEADERS SEEM TO KNOW ABOUT THEM.
May be the driver just needs to take a sharp bend and mistakenly enter the village. The job would have been done.
It was also believed that the Laminkoto Passamance road was never developed by Jawara because he was told that whenever that road was constructed his government will come to an end. However he was removed from power barely one year to the end of the project.This is african remote control |
Edited by - kondorong on 31 Jul 2006 19:59:40 |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 20:03:54
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Serene,
u know ur short posting are always illuminating. I felt in a similar way. I believe that a lot of medical help can be derived from sitiva when examined further. Those that smoke it told me it makes "relax".
Kons. , by chance do u happen to know where those UDP MPs where driving from when they heard the accident ? (may their souls rest in perfect peace.) I don't want to confuse it- that they heard a rally in that neighbourhood. IS that lawyer Darboe's origin too ? |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 20:14:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalton1
Serene,
u know ur short posting are always illuminating. I felt in a similar way. I believe that a lot of medical help can be derived from sitiva when examined further. Those that smoke it told me it makes "relax".
Kons. , by chance do u happen to know where those UDP MPs where driving from when they heard the accident ? (may their souls rest in perfect peace.) I don't want to confuse it- that they heard a rally in that neighbourhood. IS that lawyer Darboe's origin too ?
Yes. IT IS A NO GO AREA FOR A SITTING PRESIDENT OR SENIOR CIVIL SERVANT. THAT HAS BEEN TESTED BEFORE BUT I AM NOT SURE HOW COINCIDENCE PLAYED A ROLE BUT NO ONE TRIED TO BUST THE MYTH. eVEN THE SCHOOL IS IN THE OUTSKIRTS WAY AWAY FROM THE VILLAGE. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 20:43:09
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I guess if no sitting President visits Dobo then what happens when Darboe become President or will he ever because of that? Am just kidding with some humor.
It will not be the least surprising if Gambia become a drug heaven. An idle mind is an evil mind. How do we expect thousands of young men and women to survive if they have no means of income? Gambia is already a host to over quarter of a million economic and political refugees from the subregion. How in the world can these people survive?
These are the hard questions people need to ask about Jammeh's reign. It is an absolute disaster waiting to happen. Gambia is in the bleak of a humanitarian Catastrophe because of this government. So drugs, sex, guns, HIV etc. that is at its peak already. We don't need any satistics to confirm that. I was there last february and it is scary that a peace loving people and country can be turned into such menace for society. We will not be doing ourselves justice if we pretend these things are not a major concern for our country. That is all the need for change. |
Baldeh,
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2006 : 19:13:15
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Dalton1, maybe you misunderstood me a bit. What I meant was not that cannabis should be praised for its relaxing powers (it may relax you, but also the opposite can happen). I meant that under certain conditions the occasional use could be harmless. The average living conditions in Europe/USA are far from being appropriate for the use of drugs, yet these countries have the most drug consumers.
Another extreme example: Indians of the Amazonas tribes take VERY powerful hallucinogenic drugs for ritual and survival purposes (e.g. as a preparation for hunting). These drugs are so strong, they would drive us nuts. But the Indians use them as door-openers to the spiritual world, not for some decadent pleasure or as a ticket to escape from a harsh reality. This is a big difference. |
Edited by - serenata on 01 Aug 2006 19:15:10 |
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Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2006 : 19:56:11
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Serene, I might have, like you said. I also don't intentionally ask for drugs to be praised, but if it is a herb curing certain ailments, then i raise the flag to have that part of it respected.
A place where a sitting president cannot visit, will a president be from there then ? That is worth looking at seriously then. The myth is so powerful..........Demba, stop scaring lawyer Darboe...just in laughter over this one.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2006 : 20:11:50
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DALTON :
I SEE YOUR CONCERN , BUT THAT IS WHY WE HAVE PHARMACOLOGY AS A PROFESSION. WHAT IS WORRYING IS THE LAY MAN'S EMBRACE AND USE OF A DRUG FOR IT'S ALLEGED MEDICINAL PURPOSES WITHOUT REGARDS TO ITS CONSEQUENCES TO HIMSELF AND SOCIETY.EVEN IF DRUGS LIKE CANNABIS HAVE MEDCINAL USES THEY MUST BE TIGHTLY CONTROLLED TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE USED PURELY FOR THAT PURPOSE ONLY.THE ABUSE OF DRUGS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE CONTROLLED.
WE SHOULD NOT DETERMINE THE VALUE OF DRUGS BY PETER TOSH'S "LEGALIZE IT " BUT BY THE STUDIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF EXPERTS IN THE FIELD.
IN THE U.S. ALL DRUGS MUST BE APPROVED BY THE FDC BEFORE PUBLIC CONSUMPTION. |
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