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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 23:04:14
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Originally posted by blackerberry2004
I can't begin to express my frustrations on Hamat 'flip flop' Bah and Darboe. They have betrayed the cause. Jammeh is handed the presidency on a silver platter. He doesn't have to rig this election. Rest to sure that both these characters would bear the burden of the Gambian people for the next five years.
As for me, I would be ready to accept the will of the people when Jammeh wins the election, aided and abbeted by Bah and Darboe. I would never support the tyrant but would accept his rule. When enough is enough, then the Gambian masses would act.
You are a true democrat and i admire your courage to accept ht e will of the poeple. I share similar sentiments. I am still drafting my congratulatory letter to APRC if they win which all indications are they will |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 23:38:54
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Brother Dalton1, I hear your apology and I think it is sincere and appropriate for the tone. However, I totally disagree for you to apologise or feel sorry for being honest and truthful. If there is anybody who feel insulted because of the hard fact that you stand for then so be it.
People must be able to differentiate between personal criticism and one directed against a public figure. Hamat Bah is a fulla like me and we may even be related God knows where, but the important thing is that he has volunteered to be a public figure once he entered politics. We must see him as a public figure and not as an individual. Regardless of his parental status, he must be accountable to the masses and not only his family. Even if he was my dad, I must accept people criticing him in good faith. So your stand on Hamat is reasonable and should be acceptable to any fair minded Gambian. This is not about family, it is about Gambia.
Gambians must put the country over anything else even family. True patriots must not hesitate to sacrifice their lives beyond their families. Therefore, we see Hamat as a public figure and criticise his stand and believes not as a father, brother or uncle. He has pledged to represent the Gambian people and should he become a public official his family will enjoy the fruits of the tax payer.
So brother Dalton1, never apologise for the truth. You are doing your civic duties and let others do the same regardless of their political ideology. I standby you today and forever for standing up to anyone who claim to selfishly represent their own interest at the expense of the Gambian people. If anyone think they have been insulted by what you stand for, let them bring it to the debating table. Private phone calls and personal contacts off the record will not cut it. This is not about any individual, but about Gambia period.
Peace!!!
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 00:09:41
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I kept telling you that Ahmat is no better than the man he wants to remove.
If true He understands the meaning of His Party 'NATIONAL RECONCILIATION PARTY',He would not have said what he said.I was assuming the NRP would be the mender of the already broken opposition but alas the party leader knows only entertainment and still thinks he is at the hotel entertaining guests.
As Ba Poulo[Dbaldeh]rightly said what cake?Oh now Gambia is a cake to be splited amongst greedy monsters?I keep telling you no wonder Gambians are not voting in this opposition.DOES ANY OF THEM THINK THOSE OLD SUFFERING FARMERS[who are more inteligent than them for they sent us to school because they look towards the future] TO BE STUPID?NO WAY THOSE WISE MEN/WOMEN,DESPITE WANTING A CHANGE, will rather suffer under Jammeh than vote in an opposition that would eventually sell the country b4 their very eyes due to greed.
I am only a little happy the opposition will not win and VERY VERY VERY SAD that Jammeh will return as our president for another five years or more.
Peace
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Edited by - Janyanfara on 28 Jul 2006 00:13:35 |
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Jangjang
Austria
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 00:50:24
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| Where has Hamet's slogan gone! "Jammeh is the only problem for the Gambia" (which is very right). It is now replaced by "Sharing a cake that is not yet baked" and "We cannot be equal when we are not equal" no wonder we are in this situation because the guy keeps changing his mind every second.Tommorow he might say "Darboe wants to take the whole cake" and dump him to join NADD again. |
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sss
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 01:57:57
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AM NOT SURPRISED BY HAMAT BAH ASSERTIONS.I WAS IN THE COUNTRY WHEN ON THEIR FIRST WEEK IN PARLIAMENT,HAMAT WAS DEMANDING A CAR,INCREASE IN SALARY AND OTHERS.THESE GUYS ARE WORST THAN JAMMEH.THE ONLY DIIFFERENCE IS THAT THEY ARE NOT IN POWER.IF THEY WERE,GOD HELP US.THEY WILL KILL MORE THAN JAMMEH.I NEVER VOTED FOR JAMMEH OR EVEN SUPPORTED HIM.I STILL CONSIDERED MYSELF A PDOIS SUPPORTER.BAH IS VERY DANGEROUS.THIS GUY COULD BE JAMMEH'S INTERIORS MINISTER IN A BLINK OF A TIME.DONT BE SURPRISED IF HE BECOMES JAMMEH'S MINISTER.SO GREEDY AND WORTHLESS POLITICIAN IS HAMAT.
THANKS, BALDEH ,FOR BRINGING THIS UP.WHEN I READ IT,I WANTED TO REACT BUT WAS SO HOPELESS THAT I DECIDED NOT .IT MAKES SO OUT HOPELESS THAT GAMBIA HAS THESE DUMB IMMATURE AND TRIBALISTS AS POLITICIANS. |
THE MESSENGER OF GOD(peace and blessing be always upon him)SAID,"WHOEVER WALKS WITH A TYRANT IN SUPPORT OF HIM,WHILE AWARE OF HIS TYRANNY,HAS ABANDONED ISLAM."At-Tabarani
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 01:59:33
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| you are right about the salary incraes and the request for car |
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sss
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 03:14:47
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| THIS GUY,HAMAT.IS A JOKE.I JUST READ HIS COMMENTS ON WHAT THEY WILL DO IF ELECTED. http://allafrica.com/stories/200607250951.html THIS GUY MAKES ME LAUGH SO HARD.I LIKE TO SLAP HIM SO HE WILL WAKE UP.SAYING THAT HE IS AGAINST MECHANISED FARMING.WHERE IS THIS GUY LIVING.SAYING THAT THEY WILL INVEST IN FARM ANIMALS INSTEAD IS JUST STUPID AND IGNORANT.HOW CAN U RUN A COUNTRY WHEN U CAN'T EVEN SIGNAL SOUND POLICIES YOUR GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE.BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT FARM ANIMALS,HE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHO ARE GOING TO FARM IN NEXT FIVE YEARS.BUT I CAN'T HOW DUMB HIS COMMENT ARE REGARDING MECHANISED FARMING.I REALLY WILL LIKE TO SLAP THIS GUY TO CONSCIOUSENESS. |
THE MESSENGER OF GOD(peace and blessing be always upon him)SAID,"WHOEVER WALKS WITH A TYRANT IN SUPPORT OF HIM,WHILE AWARE OF HIS TYRANNY,HAS ABANDONED ISLAM."At-Tabarani
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Dalton1
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 08:44:36
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Folks,
My apology above doesn't really change my views on Hamat. As the claimant on the e-mail said, i insulted Hamat in a widely read forum, and that it caused them great pain. For a fact, respecting contributors here and the entire NRP, certain words usage can be deemed inappropriate in the said piece. For that matter, i cannot feel big to be rectified or directed, hence the basis that constitute healthy debates here.
He also made a mention of me being used against my onw tribe. To be honest, that will be too narrow for me. I critised others here, and will be reduced to nothing if Hamat's own blunder, i am unable to condemn his acts.
I actually believe in the empowerment of the ordinary, for someone who calls himself a seasoned politician to act that low, that really took me so high in temper.
But if he wants my piece deleted, then i will petition for its deletion with the forum's admin. Hopefully, it will cost just a click.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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shiny
Mexico
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 12:52:32
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I find it amazing how folks are trying to demonize Hamat Bah. Trying to blame him for all the problems the opposition is facing today.
From what we know about the NADD leadership issue Hamat supported Ousainou Darboe's candidature from day 1 and when Ousainou decided to leave he went out with him. Isn't that Consistency? Or is it flip flopping?
Contrast that to Halifa Sallah's position in the first round he declined his nomination rightly pointing out that he is the chairman and will only accept the position if he is unanimously selected. And in the second election he stood against Juwara and won. That is what is consitency !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with all of you that Hamat's comment are not helpful in bringing back all the oposition together. It was very iresponsible of him to say some of the things he said. However there is no denying that Hamat was the most effective parlimentarian ever. He had the courage to expose this government's numerous dubious activities.
So to trying to potray him as a loud mouthed flip flopper just because he has left NADD is unfortunate.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 14:57:34
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Originally posted by sss
THIS GUY,HAMAT.IS A JOKE.I JUST READ HIS COMMENTS ON WHAT THEY WILL DO IF ELECTED. http://allafrica.com/stories/200607250951.html THIS GUY MAKES ME LAUGH SO HARD.I LIKE TO SLAP HIM SO HE WILL WAKE UP.SAYING THAT HE IS AGAINST MECHANISED FARMING.WHERE IS THIS GUY LIVING.SAYING THAT THEY WILL INVEST IN FARM ANIMALS INSTEAD IS JUST STUPID AND IGNORANT.HOW CAN U RUN A COUNTRY WHEN U CAN'T EVEN SIGNAL SOUND POLICIES YOUR GOVERNMENT WILL TAKE.BEFORE EVEN THINKING ABOUT FARM ANIMALS,HE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHO ARE GOING TO FARM IN NEXT FIVE YEARS.BUT I CAN'T HOW DUMB HIS COMMENT ARE REGARDING MECHANISED FARMING.I REALLY WILL LIKE TO SLAP THIS GUY TO CONSCIOUSENESS.
to oppose mechanisation of agriculture is stupid.improving and increasing agricultural productivity should/is a prioritised issue.not only mechanising agriculture but the products must be processed.
this is the primary step in the ladder of industrialisation or technology evolution even before light industry or manufacturing. if you dont take this step you might as well start digging , for a grave perhaps. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 18:14:45
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Shiny, the reason we are so hard on Hamat is simple and straight forward. As you mentioned he was very vocal in parliament and always stood for accountability aleast verbally in the house. That credit is due him. However, you have to understand where he stood before and where he stands now to know his inconsistencies.
We held Hamat at a high esteem before the fall out of NADD to stand up for the truth and protect the interest of the Gambian people. Since the fall out he has been reduced to a tool for the UDP that has no standing principles in limiting presidential powers and creating a sustainable democratic system. Atleast from what we know they never speak of term limits, sound economic policies and the way forward for the Gambia. All we hear is Jammeh is bad and we will be better... how and when?
What Gambians expect from Hamat is to clearly stand up for rectifying a system that is flawed to the bottom. He must side with those that advocate the eradication of dictatorship and institute viable democratic institutions. Hamat has negate this principle that he once stood up for simply because he is caught trying to explain why UDP/NRP left the NADD coalition. Defending this position by stating that they made a mistake in signing the MOU is a total exposure of hunger for power by both him and Darboe. He sounds so rediculous that he has lost all respect of any fair minded person.
Now allow me to attempt to explain to you why I think he joined the UPD and why UPD cannot belief they are with NRP. First of all he stands a better chance of being VP by joining UDP should they ever win. Secondly, he is angry for losing his Paliamentary seat and is using the break up as a protest against NADD. Thirdly, he now has a platform to be the spoke person where in NADD he was just an ordinary member like any other party leader. Hamat is hungery for attention and audience. He likes to talk at all times and now he is doing it.
Finally, let me ask you this question; Do you think Hamat stand a chance of being selected as a flagbearer candidate for the UDP/NRP so called coalition since we know he wants to be president? The answer is an absolute NO. Had he made a demand that he wants to contest for the flagbearer of UDP/NRP do you think that lose coalition would have been possible? Absolutely not. These all shows that Hamat is being used as a tool. If he had stood and told Darboe that you must stay within NADD for us to support you, we would have been talking different today. It is also a fact that if Darboe had stayed in NADD he would have been eventually selected as a flagbear which I supported.
So the cat is let out of the bag by Hamat trying to attempt to make a case from their break up. It has totally exposed him and reduced him to another selfish politician contrary to what he stood for before. So the only thing consistence in Hamat is his inconsistency period.
What say you Shiny?
Peace!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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BambaLaye
USA
100 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 21:37:13
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"Contrast that to Halifa Sallah's position in the first round he declined his nomination rightly pointing out that he is the chairman and will only accept the position if he is unanimously selected. And in the second election he stood against Juwara and won. That is what is consitency."
Halifa was in fact unanimously selected to be flag bearer after Waa Juwara decided to withdraw his candidature.
Please get your facts straight. You cannot find anyone more consistsent than Halifa within the pack.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 22:17:59
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Originally posted by BambaLaye
"Contrast that to Halifa Sallah's position in the first round he declined his nomination rightly pointing out that he is the chairman and will only accept the position if he is unanimously selected. And in the second election he stood against Juwara and won. That is what is consitency."
Halifa was in fact unanimously selected to be flag bearer after Waa Juwara decided to withdraw his candidature.
Please get your facts straight. You cannot find anyone more consistsent than Halifa within the pack.
So they are all a pack. |
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BambaLaye
USA
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Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 22:26:20
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| Pardon my colloquial expression. By "pack" I meant an exclusive circle of people with a common purpose. I hope to God, I don't have to be clarifying myself on every post I make here. I'll try harder next time. BTW, you got my drift/message though. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 22:48:21
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i was just pulling your leg |
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