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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
 Posted - 26 Jul 2006 : 17:58:59
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Originally posted by ylowe
Kondorong, you sure did not spent your lunch money on "attaya". laugh
Where have you been. You have been absent oflate. I hope you did not overdose yourself with the magic water |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 00:32:17
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Rainbow,
you are so beautiful and wounderfully talented in heart/Brain.No wonder you choose rainbow as you web name.I like you!
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Rainbow
Gambia
114 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 12:07:11
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
Rainbow,
you are so beautiful and wounderfully talented in heart/Brain.No wonder you choose rainbow as you web name.I like you!
Janyanfara
Hi Janyanfara – I’m glad you like me; I like you too and thank you for the comments !!!
I don’t want to say anything about this topic again but you’ve forced me to. It's hard to retain much faith in the political leaders in Africa. A lot of the times whether it's a political leader of a government or a political leader of opposition; for example in Gambia I felt that; neither side don’t really cared about the people.
The president has announced many times that he had already won the elections and will rule for another 30 years. What is the point of voting now?
Despite a decade of civilize conflict in our society; you meet the most amazing people. How dear can someone living in Gambia question the hardship, double standard and misruling happening in Gambia??? Even the president himself knows things are not going in the right directions!!!
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Rainbow
Gambia
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2006 : 15:13:08
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| No my dear sister! I strongly agree 100% |
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toubab
Gambia
92 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 16:47:02
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| Your brothers and sisters in the DR Congo are prepared to risk death returning to their villages to cast their votes!! Apathy never changed anything, and as someone once said ''if you stand for nothing - you'll fall for anything''. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 18:29:16
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Dr Congo was in turmoil 50 years ago. I believe they were the first country in Africa to receive United Nations Peace Keeping force after the war of independence from Belgium. In July 1960, the first Un peace keeping force arrived in this country and 40 years this month, they are on their way again.. The UN Peace keeping force was called a different name and was proposed by Canada at the UN. That is why; it is only in Canada where the international peace keeping monument is erected. It is the pride of the Canadian people’s contribution to world peace. Canada has since then been at the fore of all UN missions. Since then from Kinshasa to the Nuba mountains, peacekeeping has become relevant for many people and for some a life saving force.
History is being made again. This time the peacekeeping force is going back to their Alma Marta to once again bring peace and organize elections, the same reason they had come there 40 years ago. Sometimes i wonder if man learns from history.
Toubab, i agree with your comments but would add that because that country had seen worst that this world can offer mankind; they have no choice but risk their lives. In DR Congo the word risk is nothing and death is a daily ritual. They are actually not risking their lives to vote. It is the jungle law out there. So it is a question of whether you kill or you are killed. A sad tragedy for Africa.
Zaire is about 25% the size of the United States, rich in Diamond, gold, timber and a host of mineral resources yet its people have become the scarecrows of the continent. The tragedy of the DR Congo is linked to the tragedy of Patrice Lumumba one of the great sons Mother Africa has bequeathed to her people. Unfortunately, we as Africans have never allowed our post independence great leaders time to realize their dreams. He was killed in the most callous manner. The spirits of Lumumba will forever haunt this country.
Rapes, disappearance, chopping of limbs etc have become a trademark for a people who have decide that for them to progress, they would have to retire and surrender their fate to outside help. Although it might turn out to be expensive, perhaps Gambians can still afford indifferent to elections and stay at home. In the Gambia the word risk might be relevant, but in DR Congo, risk is a way of life.
I have said here that I oppose foreign interventions in the Gambia because it is not sustainable and does not build capacity. DR Congo is a case in point. If you give up your sovereignty, you will forever be indebted. Homegrown change builds capacity, resilience, is cheaper, and in the long run sustainable.
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Jack
Belgium
384 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 23:17:04
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Ok KOn,
lets talk again in 2106.
Democracy is a long way to go. In Europe is was a evolution for several hundred years. Africa has the choice. Or you accept some conceps of european democracy, or you try it out by yourself.
No state in the world is sovereign any more. And in some cases thats a good thing.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2006 : 23:57:58
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Originally posted by Jack
Ok KOn,
lets talk again in 2106.
Democracy is a long way to go. In Europe is was a evolution for several hundred years. Africa has the choice. Or you accept some conceps of european democracy, or you try it out by yourself.
No state in the world is sovereign any more. And in some cases thats a good thing.
I am not sure if i will be around by then. |
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Rainbow
Gambia
114 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 10:57:54
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HELLOOOOOO KONDORONG !!!
THANK YOU!!!
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Originally posted by kondorong
Dr Congo was in turmoil 50 years ago. I believe they were the first country in Africa to receive United Nations Peace Keeping force after the war of independence from Belgium. In July 1960, the first Un peace keeping force arrived in this country and 40 years this month, they are on their way again.. The UN Peace keeping force was called a different name and was proposed by Canada at the UN. That is why; it is only in Canada where the international peace keeping monument is erected. It is the pride of the Canadian people’s contribution to world peace. Canada has since then been at the fore of all UN missions. Since then from Kinshasa to the Nuba mountains, peacekeeping has become relevant for many people and for some a life saving force.
History is being made again. This time the peacekeeping force is going back to their Alma Marta to once again bring peace and organize elections, the same reason they had come there 40 years ago. Sometimes i wonder if man learns from history.
Toubab, i agree with your comments but would add that because that country had seen worst that this world can offer mankind; they have no choice but risk their lives. In DR Congo the word risk is nothing and death is a daily ritual. They are actually not risking their lives to vote. It is the jungle law out there. So it is a question of whether you kill or you are killed. A sad tragedy for Africa.
Zaire is about 25% the size of the United States, rich in Diamond, gold, timber and a host of mineral resources yet its people have become the scarecrows of the continent. The tragedy of the DR Congo is linked to the tragedy of Patrice Lumumba one of the great sons Mother Africa has bequeathed to her people. Unfortunately, we as Africans have never allowed our post independence great leaders time to realize their dreams. He was killed in the most callous manner. The spirits of Lumumba will forever haunt this country.
Rapes, disappearance, chopping of limbs etc have become a trademark for a people who have decide that for them to progress, they would have to retire and surrender their fate to outside help. Although it might turn out to be expensive, perhaps Gambians can still afford indifferent to elections and stay at home. In the Gambia the word risk might be relevant, but in DR Congo, risk is a way of life.
I have said here that I oppose foreign interventions in the Gambia because it is not sustainable and does not build capacity. DR Congo is a case in point. If you give up your sovereignty, you will forever be indebted. Homegrown change builds capacity, resilience, is cheaper, and in the long run sustainable.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 15:05:19
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Originally posted by kondorong
Dr Congo was in turmoil 50 years ago. I believe they were the first country in Africa to receive United Nations Peace Keeping force after the war of independence from Belgium.
honestly i dont think there was a war for independence from Belgium. there was no War. unlike the Gambia and other colonies there was no political culture before. they demanded independece and Belgium gave it overnight. neither side was prepared for it. it was more a power struggle between Tsombe, Lumbumba and Kasabuvu etc. each had a backer, be it the CIA, Belgium, or the Soviets. Cold War politics was being played and they fell for it.
Dr Congo/Zaire is a victim of itself. it has never had good leaders and it is also the victim of its neighbours. Rwanda,Uganda etc all have invaded it or supported different rebel groups.
it boils down to africans being sponsored by outsiders to kill each others. more or less what happened in West Africa in the 1980/90s in Liberia,Sierra Leone.
but you are right peace keeping is useless, with their incomprehensible 'mandates' that dont allow them to do anything.
i dont agree with Jack that it should necessarily take centuries. we must learn from the mistakes of Europe to shorten the path. in Senegal, Abdou Joof allowed a free press, and a lot of radios but he still detained opposition leaders and held silly elections but that culture of free press and information in local languages in the radio has really made democracy a way of life in Senegal. if you listen to any radio station there you will not believe what people pour on the government on a daily basis. this is a good thing. |
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Rainbow
Gambia
114 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jul 2006 : 16:32:10
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DR Congo voters' views from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/default.stm
Donatien Kalinga, 50
My heart is full of joy. I have never voted before in my life. Under Mobutu, there were not real elections, so I did not bother. I hope the Congolese people will now benefit from the riches the good Lord blessed us with – diamonds, gold, copper. If we have a nationalist leader who is not a thief, our problems will be over.
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Originally posted by toubab
Your brothers and sisters in the DR Congo are prepared to risk death returning to their villages to cast their votes!! Apathy never changed anything, and as someone once said ''if you stand for nothing - you'll fall for anything''.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 20:40:50
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Originally posted by njucks
quote:
Originally posted by kondorong
Dr Congo was in turmoil 50 years ago. I believe they were the first country in Africa to receive United Nations Peace Keeping force after the war of independence from Belgium.
honestly i dont think there was a war for independence from Belgium. there was no War. unlike the Gambia and other colonies there was no political culture before. they demanded independece and Belgium gave it overnight. neither side was prepared for it. it was more a power struggle between Tsombe, Lumbumba and Kasabuvu etc. each had a backer, be it the CIA, Belgium, or the Soviets. Cold War politics was being played and they fell for it.
Dr Congo/Zaire is a victim of itself. it has never had good leaders and it is also the victim of its neighbours. Rwanda,Uganda etc all have invaded it or supported different rebel groups.
it boils down to africans being sponsored by outsiders to kill each others. more or less what happened in West Africa in the 1980/90s in Liberia,Sierra Leone.
but you are right peace keeping is useless, with their incomprehensible 'mandates' that dont allow them to do anything.
i dont agree with Jack that it should necessarily take centuries. we must learn from the mistakes of Europe to shorten the path. in Senegal, Abdou Joof allowed a free press, and a lot of radios but he still detained opposition leaders and held silly elections but that culture of free press and information in local languages in the radio has really made democracy a way of life in Senegal. if you listen to any radio station there you will not believe what people pour on the government on a daily basis. this is a good thing.
It depends on which side your bread is buttered. |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 22:50:02
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well it also depends what you call butter. there was no war as in Guinea Bissau/Angola or Mazambique where the Portugese Dictator Salazar thought it was necessary to fight the Africans rather than give up the portugese empire. it wasnt also a universal declaration of independence like in Rhodesia. there simply was no WAR.
they asked for independence and got it. i think the main problem was the nation was not prepared for independece like The Gambia or Ghana or Nigeria etc.
there was not war. i guess you can call a spade a spade. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jul 2006 : 22:52:19
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| I dont want to be dragged into definitions. I am no English guy. |
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