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serenata
Germany
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 Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 19:14:29
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| This is true. But sometimes people need to be reminded that in a democracy, they are the sovereign... Maybe the political system of the Gambian has changed, and I just didn't notice? |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 19:24:11
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| WELL IF THEY DID NOT KNOW THEY ARE A SOVEREIGN NATION, WE MIGHT AS WELL JOIN SENEGAL |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 19:28:39
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| Oh, lą lą...! |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 20:02:06
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It is not new for candidates to declare they are winners before elections are cast. It is a form of expressing ones confidence. George Bush on several occasions says he will win and he must win. However, I can't guarantee that is what Jammeh meant. He just utters anything that comes to his mind and that statement is not the least surprising.
The fact is that there are many Gambians who believe it is a SIN to vote against the President. They solely belief that the leadership is from God regardless of how you vote. This is the sad part of being ignorant and uninformed.
Majority people there vote because it is impose on them to vote. They don't see the need to vote since Replacing A with B to them don't make any difference. Their lives remain the same anyway because of selfish politicians. "So why vote if it will not make any difference anyway" this is why they sell their voters cards as well.
History has taught us that many people in Senegal believed that even if they don't vote for Abdou Joof, the DEVILS will vote for him. When the opposition put their acts together he was gone with his devil votes. The joke is with the opposition sadly.
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 21:46:22
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If 90% of the Gambians don't know why they are voting , then there is a big task and opportunity for the opposition. However I noticed that Hamat Bah is in the States speeching for Gambians in the diaspora. He and the other opposition leaders should travel around in his own country, village to village to do his campaign work and make clear why and for who people should vote. There for it is very essential that all the parties have a program what they want to realise. I tried to find out but couldn't find it. Everyone wants freedom, dignity, progress, .... Couldn't find how they want to realise that.
Opposition campaigning should start at least 3 years before the election and not 2 months before, and then realise there is in fact no coalition....
And Kon sometimes can international diplomatic pressure help to get rid of a dictator.  |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 22:20:50
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Originally posted by Jede
If 90% of the Gambians don't know why they are voting, then there is a big task and opportunity for the opposition. However I noticed that Hamat Bah is in the States speeching for Gambians in the diaspora. He and the other opposition leaders should travel around in his own country, village to village to do his campaign work and make clear why and for who people should vote. There for it is very essential that all the parties have a program what they want to realise. I tried to find out but couldn't find it. Everyone wants freedom, dignity, progress, .... Couldn't find how they want to realise that.
Opposition campaigning should start at least 3 years before the election and not 2 months before, and then realise there is in fact no coalition....
And Kon sometimes can international diplomatic pressure help to get rid of a dictator.
The problem with that is that it is not sustainable. The nationals must bring about the change. Just like in Irag, since the Iraqis could not remove Sadam, any one trying to do it for them will only be bogged down in MAINTAINING A SYSTEM. However, when the people rise by themselves, then it becomes manageable and less worrying.
Besides international pressure is not free. YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY SURREDERING YOUR SOVEREIGNTY TO SOME OTHER COUNTRY TO DO WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IN THE FIRST PLACE. THAT IS WHY THERE WAS THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. INTERNAL MEANS TO CHANGE HOWEVER BLOODY IS BETTER THAN AN IMPOSED CHANGE FROM SOME OTHER COUNTRY.
"He who fights and runs away, leads to fight another day" Bob Marley
So home grown change is the way forward. You can take a horse to ariver, but you cannot force it to drink. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 19 Jul 2006 : 23:55:14
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Yes sister Serenata He did said He will even if no one voted for Him!
I still have that cassette where He claimed even if people didn't vote for Him,devils will.
But honestly I belief that it is every citizen's right to votebut ONLY IF YOUR VOTE COUNTS AS sister jede rightly said.My view is there should be no election for now until the ruling party and the oppositions come to a common agreement that the election and counting of votes would be free and fair without interferance.
On that not any body who comes victorious is the right chosen president of the people.Without this,there is no use waisting time at the polling station voting because the vote is already counted b4 voting as Kon said
Peace
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 00:08:42
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| CANT YOU SEE THAT IN JUST TWO WEEKS 90,000 GAMBIANS HAVE QUALIFIED TO VOTE. WHO NOWS HOW MANY WILL QUALIFY BY SEPTEMBER |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 00:12:22
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Janyanfara,It sounds good in theory but do you really think that this years elections will realistically be postponed? The best bet is to have public Awareness programmes to inform ordinary people about citizenship, Human Rights and the role of civil society in Social progress.
Peace
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Peace
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 00:28:25
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No sister,
But the reality is why vote when your fate had been decided even before your opinion is seek?
But as you said[on coate]:
The best bet is to have public Awareness programmes to inform ordinary people about citizenship, Human Rights and the role of civil society in Social progress.
You see sister to be realistic,your opinion is the best soluttion but it is really imposible in today Gambia.
Who will start such without preparing to join the alledged coupist at MILE2?
Th NIAs will come for you, accuse you for breaking the public peace,hold you indefinately therough toture and intimidation.
Infact you will never get permission from Ousman Sonko[Serving Inspector General]
So I belief you will agree with my proposal to boycott the election.Thats the only best uption.
My friend every one is now scared .Even the JCEC[Jammeh's chosen Electoral Commision ]is not spare.So who will volunteer to try?
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 14:10:42
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Right, Jede; a little more pressure from outside might even have limited Hitler. When he came to power monarchistic patterns of thinking were still very alive in the German population; it was only 15 years after Wilhelm II. resigned. I am sure many Germans didn't really know what this democracy stuff was about...
Political education is an urgent need!!!!! What kind of democracy = rule by the people is it when people regard it as sinful to vote against the president and don't know they are 'ruling'?
But Janyanfara, are you sure that Jammeh wasn't joking when he said the devils would vote for him? Sometimes his diction is a bit sloppy. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 14:59:06
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Originally posted by kondorong
WHAT UN. GAMBIA IS A SOVEREIGN NATION AND AS SUCH ITS CITIZENS SHOULD TAKE CHARGE OF THEIR OWN AFFAIRS. NO OUTSIDE INTERVENTIONS PLEASE. I HATE IT. UNTIL GAMBIANS CAN MUSTER THE CHANGE THEMSELVES, I WILL NOT SUPPORT ANY OUTSIDE PUSH. THAT IS WHY WE ARE CALLED A SOVEREIGN NATION.
KONDORONG,
I hope you understand why the UN exist. If elextions are ridged every time,then we must allow the Un to monitor the whole election process. Other countries like South Africa let the UN observers monitor from the registration to the voting.Withn the observers there was a Gambian. In my opinion, Gambia cannot do this alone never mine it is a sovereign nation. The UN is here to settle such matters.Gambia is part of the world too. This is my stand point.
What applies in other countries of the glob is also applicable in the Gambia when it comes to civic matters. Sister/brother |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 15:05:18
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Originally posted by Rainbow
DON'T BE SCARY:-)!!!
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Originally posted by LEMON TIME
RAINBOW IS THAT WHY 90% OF GAMBIANS ARE POOR THEN.
Rainbow,
If you do not vote, how can you get rid of an elected mp? Are you going to use force? If you dont vote then it means a vote less for whoever you supported. You must excerise your voting rights so as to bring about democracy. Serenate is very right.
YOU MUST VOTE |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 15:10:27
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Originally posted by rah
All democratic countries allow their expatriates to vote. And I am quite sure that all Gambians living abroad can produce a legitimate document verifying their citizenship to ambassadors to cast their vote. But Dictator Jammeh, as all dictators do, wouldnt contemplate giving Gambian that basic right. All Gambian citizens living abroad have been denied by Dictator Jammeh to vote, whilst non Gambians can stroll freely to a voting center and vote. All Gambians living abroad should have the right to vote. Even Iraq gives it expatriates/refugees their voting rights. Why not Gambia? yeh,rah
Who will administate the whole process outside the Gambia? Before speaking of it Gambians in the diaspora must contact Gambia to show their intrest. Speaking about it and doing nothing is useless. I have been hearing this topic for a long time. I once aked Halifa a question about this. His answer was that we the Gambians here must contact the election committee to show our intrest in writing. I think before debating on it here, ask you borthers in the NAAD or UDP/NRP; APRC |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2006 : 16:26:07
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| kons if you do not want UN to be part of the elections how about the comonwealth secratiate, they send in observors who are neutral, it might help to give a clearly picture. I do believe that some form of netural observors should be allowed to be part of the elections. |
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