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Dalton1
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 Posted - 16 Nov 2012 : 18:59:57
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Does the Gambia Need Another Constitution? Your Thoughts...
http://caelos.com/gainako/?p=1230
Folks,
Does the Gambia in fact need another constitution?
Best regards,
Yero
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 01:58:32
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FREEDOM NEWS;
QUOTED FROM NTCG EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE CONSTITUTION ABOVE;
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"As a result; the Gambians people wishes to show no recognition of the tyrannical regime of Yahya Jammeh, as their legitimate government.
For this reason, the Gambian people especially, the many thousands in the Diaspora supported by their people in the Gambia have formed their own government in the name of the National Transitional Council of the Gambia (NTCG)."
ALL THESE PROPAGANDA, SELF-APPOINTMENTS, ENCROACHMENT, USURPATION OF POWER AND IMPOSITION BY CNTG NOT IN MY NAME AMONGST OTHERS ENFRANCHISED TO DECIDE DESTINY OF THE NATION! "MANY THOUSANDS" NOTED UNDER QUOTE ARE DECEITFUL/DISINGENUOUS/DECEPTIVE  |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 02:20:28
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| No Kobo not deceitful, I am one of those many thousands. Remember he didn´t say all the diaspora but the many thousands. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 04:00:57
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Originally posted by bread man
No Kobo not deceitful, I am one of those many thousands. Remember he didn´t say all the diaspora but the many thousands.
Breadman. For your information I have unfinished business with you and Ebra on topic "President Sidia Bayo" but I have searched and cannot access the topic to update and continue the flow? That topic appear to be deliberately taken out of the flow, hidden and temporarily shelved by admin. as deemed fit to exercise any rights for Bantaba resources management
Considering how CNTG was launched on Senegal/France TV and on-line media recently, in addition having censored revelations from speeches (including Press Release and interviews) of Sidia Bayo and other members of CNTG I repeat the following statement in quote below; appear to be out of context, a "baseless" claim, lacked "credibility", "unbelievable", "illegitimate" declaration and definitely "deceptive"
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"the many thousands in the Diaspora supported by their people in the Gambia have formed their own government in the name of the National Transitional Council of the Gambia (NTCG)."
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2012 : 19:23:47
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| The Gambia does not need another constitution but needs another custodian of our constitution. And if by writing a new one we can change that custodian, then let it be. Someone with a matured mentality should be the caretaker of that noble book and not one with vendettas against anyone who says no. God bless the Gambia and God bless President Sidia Bayo. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2012 : 04:52:41
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THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF CNTG CONSTITUTION APPEAR TO BE IRRELEVANT, POORLY PRESENTED AND ESPECIALLY THE SUPREME CONSTITUTION OF THE NATION OR STATE BEYOND ANY INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS JURISDICTION TO TAMPER WITH, BUT I AGREE WITH EVERY WORD AND SHARE WITH THE THOUGHTS FROM THE FANTASTIC GAINAKO EDITORIAL;
Editorial: Any credible political transition Gov’t in Gambia post Jammeh must be 6 Months or less.
"When you hear about political transition from military takeover of civilian governments in Africa, what comes to mind? Do you remember a time when you read slogans such as “soldiers with a difference”, “transition to civilian constitutional rule within 2 years” “drafting of a constitution and conducting a referendum to restore civilian rule”, “Transparency, accountability and probity”? The answer is probably Oh yes!
This is how African military juntas have successfully weathered the storm of international condemnation and opposition to overthrow democratically elected governments and suspension of national constitutions. For almost five decades African military bandits take up arms, overthrow their civilian leaders and promise immediate restoration of constitutional rule within 2 years. Upon takeover of governments they immediately set up commissions of inquiries into alleged corruption; put together constitutional review teams, promise referendum for a new constitution and elections. Instead, once they successfully prevent external arm intervention and economic sanctions to their often unwelcomed imposition of degrees and draconian laws, they then begin to lay down the ground to contest elections under a civilian pretext. The slogan “Power corrupts absolute power corrupts” rings true in African military who topples democratically elected governments. They may take off their uniforms and put on grand mbubah’s in religious disguise, but deep in their guts and mental state of mind, they are still indiscipline military with no moral fiber to either defend the constitution or look after the true interest of the people.
Any genuine group that claims to rescue Gambia from Jammeh and to restore true constitutional rule and level political playing field in the Gambia must set the motion for an immediate political transition within 6 months. Any prolonged delay in conduct of elections in a nation of 1.7 million people and less than one million voters simply will spell disaster and lead to another self-perpetuation in government.
It is indisputable that Gambia already has a multiparty political system with distinct registered political parties who are only kept from effectively competing in national elections due to the monopolistic tendencies and abuse of incumbency of President Jammeh and the ruling APRC party. It is equally indisputable that Gambia has a fairly open national voter registration though not perfect where all political parties participate and have access to the national voter registration. There is also an organ in charge of conducting national elections which can be fairly effective without due interference from the ruling party.
Gambia’s 1997 amended constitution has provisions on national elections clearly establishing dates; campaign timelines, polling stations, registration of candidates and voters, allocation of ballot boxes and the use of distinctive marbles for voting. Essentially all the necessary structures and voter education and verification of voters’ cards are all well spelled out in the electoral rules in the constitution. Arguably, only minor adjustments would be needed to have a fairly transparent national election leading to an overall review and strengthening of the country’s democratic institutions to set Gambia on a true path to lasting democratic rule.
It is therefore, reasonable to expect that a rapid transition to genuine credible civilian rule is not only possible in Gambia but realistic within six months. This is also supported by the fact that the 1997 constitution with the exception of some provisions inserted by the Jammeh regime to their advantage, there is clear separation of powers of the branches of government. Within a month, any competent transition government should be able to restore independence in the Judiciary by a simple order to fully uphold and implement the letters of the constitution. The freedom of the press; respect for Human rights, political association, enforcement of security, privacy, law and order within the country can be immediately enforced through the established law enforcement institutions. Gambia post Jammeh therefore does not need a 2 year transition period.
What Gambia needs post Jammeh is a genuine coalition of transition leadership who truly are interested in trusting the Gambian people to handle their own political destiny once the dictatorial regime is removed from power. This group of leaders must only be interested in seeing a true transition to democracy without vying for political power. This certainly can be done through the help of the international community, our neighbor Senegal and other sub regional democracies. The Gambia therefore neither needs another so called 2 year transition government nor a new constitution. The 1997 amended constitution has the fundamental structures Gambia needs to restore rule of law, genuine democracy and political level playing field in the country. The Gambian people should not and must not be duped by another deceptive 2 year timeline transition to genuine democracy post Jammeh. The country has been there done that!. Any hidden agendas in disguise of democratic transition must be exposed to the fullest." |
Edited by - kobo on 19 Nov 2012 23:33:09 |
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bread man
300 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2012 : 22:57:35
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| Pls kobo we do read all this on their individual sites. So if you really want to engage in a meaningful debate you should come up with your own arguments sometimes. This clips you are copying and pasting becomes old news to most of in this forum. Ofcoz you can copy and paste but that should only be a compliment to your own arguments. Long live president Bayo and long live the Gambia. |
It is the mark of intelligence to entertain an idea without accepting it. |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 05:11:02
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Kobo I am keenly waiting for your remote control brain by your Messiah to come up as per your promise. Transitional governments are never at the majority's consensus. Cowards like you always want to see that, their way or no ones. Sidia have the courage and audacity to come out with his plans and strategies of ending impunity but thick heads like your very self and your Messiah Sallah continue to poision others willing to join the struggle. What right do you have that I don't have which should deter me and others who support Bayo.
(KOBO) Your copy and paste got so boring that it drives me and Moe from been a regular contributor.
WHAT PLAN DO U AND YOUR MESSIAH HAVE TO GET RIDE OF BABILMANSA BEFORE NEXT ELECTION. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 14:48:32
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1. Originally posted by bread man
Pls kobo we do read all this on their individual sites. So if you really want to engage in a meaningful debate you should come up with your own arguments sometimes. This clips you are copying and pasting becomes old news to most of in this forum. Ofcoz you can copy and paste but that should only be a compliment to your own arguments. Long live president Bayo and long live the Gambia.
Our discourse, debates, exchanges and interactions is for INFORMATION and that INFORMATION is used or translated for having KNOWLEDGE and raised AWARENESS right? Through "Copy & Paste", it helps in consolidating ideas, disseminating more information across various sources, boost diverse opinions, for reader to have better understanding, make critical analysis related issues and anything considered relevant to the topic; gathered for melting point at Bantaba forum.
I consider lifting and forwarding relevant material information very effective and enjoy doing it voluntarily for Public consumption and exposed others to sense public opinions; for general consensus and rating citizens views. SO PLEASE "DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER?"
What are your points or arguments on this topic? I made critical reviews, observations, support my comments and expressed my opinion but never said that you don't have right to support Sidia Bayo! Refer back on flow of posts and challenge me on them?
2. Originally posted by Ebra
Kobo I am keenly waiting for your remote control brain by your Messiah to come up as per your promise.
The promise is to remind and inform you that "GO TO HELL!", abuse, vile and profanity is an insolent, provocative, poor, immature and not a good civil reaction or attitude; which does not deserve an insolent reply from me! SO FIX YOUR ATTITUDE PLEASE?
Transitional governments are never at the majority's consensus.
THEY MUST BE PROPERLY CONSTITUTED, STRONGLY MANNED AND BROAD BASED STAKEHOLDERS; WHICH IS OBSERVED LACKING IN NTCG?
Cowards like you always want to see that, their way or no ones.
"A baseless, false allegation and pointless to reply; as I don't know what you are claiming?"
Sidia have the courage and audacity to come out with his plans and strategies of ending impunity but thick heads like your very self and your Messiah Sallah continue to poison others willing to join the struggle.
Our darling President Sidia Bayo deserved some respect and commendation for having good intentions for the nation; being a bold young man to came forward, ready for a bold challenge, winning hearts and minds, assuming political leadership and now at heart of political circus blossoming with certain popularity in our political discourse!
With all due respect, I think there are some facts you have not considered and that no one or few individuals has right to usurp power to govern and/or impose a national signature/authority/mandate/title/name without blessing of cross section of citizens' mobilized in a well publicise national platform and seen to be broad based constituted from stakeholders of political parties/activists/militants/dissidents; which is lacking?
It is my opinion that Sidia Bayo and NTCG surprisingly brought new problems and are making the political situation more complex; which Halifa Sallah addressed and/or advocated against amongst other citizens concerns from on-line contributors pointed out; IN INTERESTS OF NATION!
What right do you have that I don't have which should deter me and others who support Bayo.
WHERE DID I STATE THAT YOU AND OTHERS SHOULD NOT SUPPORT BAYO OR DON'T HAVE RIGHTS TO DO SO?
(KOBO) Your copy and paste got so boring that it drives me and Moe from been a regular contributor.
I have already cleared myself on it. Refer on Breadman's reply?
WHAT PLAN DO U AND YOUR MESSIAH HAVE TO GET RIDE OF BABILMANSA BEFORE NEXT ELECTION.
WILL BE BACK LATER WITH SOUND OR BAD PROPOSALS
WE ARE IN THIS TOGETHER! |
Edited by - kobo on 21 Nov 2012 01:34:16 |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 17:58:10
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Kobo am at work and have limited time, but guess what I will respond to you and throw you into the trash can. If I was/abusive, then my next write up will make you pee in your pants. Go check your response and see whether is mature comment from an old crazy man like you. Remember you will still be put on trial for your role in 1981 alongside Kukoi.
Halifa too will be caged for his role in cajoling Gambian masses to vote for a constitution that had no term limit.
You've asked many times as who gave Sidia mandate to claim himself as the head of Transitional government. Guess is me and many other Gambians. Now shut the **** up and quit gabba yabba. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 18:50:27
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[quote]Originally posted by Ebra
Kobo am at work and have limited time, but guess what I will respond to you and throw you into the trash can. If I was/abusive, then my next write up will make you pee in your pants. Go check your response and see whether is mature comment from an old crazy man like you. Remember you will still be put on trial for your role in 1981 alongside Kukoi.
Halifa too will be caged for his role in cajoling Gambian masses to vote for a constitution that had no term limit.
You've asked many times as who gave Sidia mandate to claim himself as the head of Transitional government. Guess is me and many other Gambians. Now shut the **** up and quit gabba yabba.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHO I AM AND JUST KEEP ON GUESSING
ALL YOUR EFFORTS TO GAG ME ARE INEFFECTIVE, FAILING AND MAKING YOU STUPID RESORTING TO PERSONAL ATTACKS; INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON THE ISSUES!
ITS FOOLISH TO EVEN WASTE MY TIME ON PETTY ISSUES AS YOU ARE TRYING TO DERAIL TOPIC FOR LACKING CREDIBLE THOUGHTS, OPINIONS AND COMMENTS. AM NOT BOTHERED WITH YOUR INSULTS, RUDENESS AND HORRIBLE WORDS FOR ITS OUT OF ORDER, IMMATERIAL, INSENSIBLE AND IRRESPONSIBLE FROM A DESPICABLE DUDE. I HAVE MASTERED CYBER WAR AND DARK ARTS OF POLITICS AND AM NOT MOVED EMOTIONALLY; WITH THESE RUBBISH SPEWED HERE |
Edited by - kobo on 20 Nov 2012 19:01:42 |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 19:23:58
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You are no other than Malick Kah of UK. I am not been rude but to put you in your place. You have been hauling and barking here everyday trying to sell Halifa's ill conceive ideas but you gonna failed woefully. Was it not you attacking Sidia and UDP here daily but once someone did not agree with you and your Messiah you become bizzare. If you think I don't know you then you must be a big fool.
You stated that Sidia is derailing you and Halifa of what. You arw very stupid and feels pompus to emulate the ideas, suggestions |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 19:33:28
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...Of others. Keep dreaming there, you kept attacking anyone who opposes your failed idealogies since 1987. PDOIS will be the worst when in power because since inception we've seen the same faces of Sidia Jatta, Halifa, Sam and the likes of you and not ready to give chance to the young aspiring people, but you will come here and castigate UDP to change leadership.
I will counter every nonesense you bring here now. |
Edited by - Ebra on 20 Nov 2012 21:18:09 |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 20 Nov 2012 : 19:38:58
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| My question to you is 'WHO MANDATED HALIFA AND SEDIA JATTA TO FORM A POLITICAL PARTY AND WHO GAVE THEM THE MANDATE TO BE THE EXECUTIVE LEADERS OF THE FAILED PARTY" not me or breadman or Moe. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2012 : 00:57:44
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1. Where are we to recapitulate and put topic on track
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"Does the Gambia Need Another Constitution? Your Thoughts..."
"Folks,
Does the Gambia in fact need another constitution?
Best regards,
Yero"
2. Also observed, noted and exposed; diverse opinions, certain flaws from the NTCG Constitution Executive Summary, "Cheap Publicity Campaign", conspiracy or arm insurgency being poorly executed and/or reservations on "THE THREAT OF AN ARMED OPPOSITION AND THE DISSOCIATIONS"; IN INTEREST OF NATION
3. Review and consideration of Gainako Editorial: "6months" Vs. "2years" transitional period and future challenges
4. A CHALLENGE AND ASSIGNMENT FOR ME ON "WHAT PLAN DO U AND YOUR MESSIAH HAVE TO GET RIDE OF BABILMANSA BEFORE NEXT ELECTION." |
Edited by - kobo on 21 Nov 2012 01:56:44 |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2012 : 06:15:59
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| Kobo case closed my apology to you. You see am man enough to admit my errs. Anyway to answer whether Gambia needs a new constitution I will say yes. My reason(s) are that the term limit should be included. The age limit to contest also needs further consideration. The appointments of vice President should be the runner up of the presidential election thus creates check and balance at the top level. There are lots of petty and relevant things that need to be modify some are rigid whilst others are entrench clauses which can't be modify without referadum. |
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