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Karamba
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 Posted - 12 Jul 2012 : 10:44:36
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Gambian spiritual woman has been sentenced to jail term with option of a fine. Her kindness to warn president Jammeh of a looming downfall has not gone well. She warned that unless the president commits special charity, a dream revealed to her has seen the president in critical situation.
Police investigations led to the woman's arrest. With small children to look after and being pregnant could not still earn the woman enough mercy by the powers that be. It is not clear if the president had conformed to the charity in question or simply ignored the woman's dream.
Charged for giving false information to public officer, the woman is due for freedom if the president acted on her dream. Nobody can tell. If her dream and charity saved president Jammeh from evil happenings, many wonder why the woman is sentenced.
It is recalled that president Jammeh is big time spirit man. Many believe he commands demon powers; good reason why all coup plots are exposed for swift action. President Jammeh has magician friends from Mali and the sub region. Why this woman risked getting near enough, only she knows.
http://observer.gm/africa/gambia/article/spiritual-woman-convicted
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toubab1020
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Posted - 12 Jul 2012 : 11:06:46
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"Why this woman risked getting near enough, only she knows. " Well at least H.E. has realised that she better be able to afford the fine of D500,that's heaftey but with a little effort she can convince anybody to give her a few Ds ,collect it together and pay the court,H.E.better not think of the thoughts going through Marie Sambou's mind after this,just maybe she can contact spirits from another place who knows . |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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sankalanka
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Posted - 12 Jul 2012 : 13:40:43
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I seriously think that this law of giving false information to a public official should be further interrogated to determine its merit or demerit. It is becoming abundantly clear that it is not consistent with the fundamental rights of a person to freely express himself or herself, even if such an expression is delusional, malicious or outright frivolous. It should be a matter of civil litigation between those who may express such "hateful" speech and those to whom such "hateful" speech has been directed at.
The irony here is that speech, and its many expressions thereof, is the fundamental basis that has formed the core principles of a democratic inclination to inclusion, whereby everybody has a voice that he or she can express freely without let or hindrance.
This is the reason why human societies have evolved from the different
stages of their social transformations, and in the process building a democratic dispensation to plurality, good laws and better governance. The contradictions inherent in every stage of this social transformation must be resolved to move to the next epoch.
We also must be mindful of the historical importance of the evolution of the nation-state, and how laws are and must be promulgated, and how also our active participation in defining the consensual basis in forming the governing principles to such laws, ought to me and must be an integral part of the dynamics of our social and political participation.
Societies are not made better on the dictates of those who govern, rather the dictates of those who are governed make those societies even better.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 12 Jul 2012 : 14:20:33
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Couldn't agree more,sankalanka,your posting sums up everything,but will most likely fall on deaf ears.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jul 2012 : 15:12:24
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| Lot of sense and relevance, Sankalanka. Only one big worry is how much room may be there on Gambian soil to cultivate those good seeds. All the land is now under office of the president. No more space to cultivate any seed of best practice in good governance. Planting season is gone past. Next one is yet to be. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jul 2012 : 19:56:24
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| When president is finally placed safe, will he consider pardon for the woman ? Black magic power at work. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Jul 2012 : 21:20:10
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Is she staying at the "hotel" or was her fine paid ?
If she is not at the "hotel" and her fine has been paid then H.E. may well forget about her,if she is then all sorts of things could occour,who knows what the spirits may think of the situation
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Jul 2012 : 00:36:36
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| Toubab1020, don't be surprise if you hear that H E paid the fine for the woman. After all she broke in with vital piece of information. Enemies of the president could have captured him alive. Pirit work at higher levels of alert. |
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sankalanka
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Posted - 16 Jul 2012 : 08:40:56
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"Societies are not made better on the dictates of those who govern, rather the dictates of those who are governed make those societies even better," Sankalanka.
I have been grappling with this thought for a while: how did it happen that those who are empowered to represent others; those who are chosen among their peers, through a mutually agreed set of rules and regulations to represent the interest of all, since everybody cannot represent themselves at the same time, come to be more powerful than those whose interest they are supposed to represent.
Power, therefore, must be understood within the context of the socially sanctioned institutions of public trust, in which an individual who has been chosen among his or her peers, through a mutually agreed set of rules and regulations to represent the interest of all, arbitrarily arrogated these institutions of public trust to himself or herself.
One thing I learn is that you can be thoughtful on any given topic, and do not necessarily have to based it on any academic inquiry, as long as the fundamental principles that govern that topic are understood; everything else can be subjective.
Knowledge has an objective basis, and it also has a subjective basis. We rely on the objective bases of knowledge, its laws and principles to make informed decisions, but our interpretation and understanding of those laws and principles can make our decisions or positions on the issues subjective. Our subjective tendencies are also informed by our beliefs, our causes, our principles and our aspirations in life among others. Therefore we have a lot to argue about; a lot to disagree upon.
But the fundamental principles of our societies must be respected; they are the rules and regulations that guide our deliberations as a people and as a society. And among these are the concepts of democracy and the rule of law.
Some people want to argue that democracy is an alien concept, because it doesn't fit the narrative of those who arbitrarily arrogated the institutions of public trust to themselves, and as a consequence all the dictates of power therein; but the principles that govern this concept, are the embodiment of some of the norms, values and good attributes that we may find in our traditions and our cultures, besides appealing to our most humane instincts. We can argue that it is a foreign concept, a western construct, but its intrinsic value has an overriding benefit.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Jul 2012 : 12:26:10
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Sankalanka.your grappling has produced some complex and thought provoking reasonings,not being a politician (but a simple soul ) it is far too complex for me to fully understand,however,your conclusion in the last sentence of your post,if the words"it" & "its" mean democracy and the rule of law,then I would agree with your hypothesis. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2012 : 23:42:40
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| it emerged that another woman in Senegal also predicted downfall of Jammeh. From news, Jammeh has invited this one for discussion. Will she go ? |
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