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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:05:17
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In the last month 6 British soliders have been killed. I don't understand why my government is there and why our young men have to die.
I know alot is to do with the production of Heroin and trying to control the drugs barrons and the supply chain. This drug destroys SO many lives. It is a really wicked trade.
Can anyone explain to me why this is anything to do with the British governement?
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:19:58
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| Now you Talking,British went to Afganistan to kill bin ladin as he cause 9/11 in usa and they still fighting Talabans hard cores.As 6 British is kill the past month,do you know how many AFGANS are kill Bev. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 01:33:28
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Fighting an enemy you don't even recognise amongst million faces is the most difficult thing to do.I think the soldiers are really brave.Imagine you talk to someone today and in the morrow that person knows where you are and is looking for ways to kill you while you don't know.This is the reality in Afganistan/Iraq.The very people the soldiers talk with give information to the insurgents or are insurgents themselves.
sad isn't it?
Any way there is no british law that gave the prime minister power to send troops anywhere.
Its only by convention which is well respected but a law can overcome any convention.
The ball is in the court of Parliament at westminister.
My heart goes to the families of the lost ones both in Iraq as Iraqis or Foreign soldiers sent by their Governments.The same for those killed on both sides in Afganistan.
peace
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 08:17:26
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Yes, like most wars it all seems pretty pointless to me. I am not sure what our presence is doing to help?
World war 2 in simple terms was in response to a tyrant who was killing on a massive scale. Justice was clearly on our side. Since then the world has become much more complex and we cannot be the police and soliders for the whole world.
We have been warned in the press to expect many more deaths in Afganistan. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 08:22:12
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If civilians are killed in the process of war then that is a sad and terrible thing, whatever 'side' they are on. All the innocent men. women and children of Iraq that have died and all the people in Afganistan. It is equally as important as a soliders life, or even MORE important. A solider is paid to do a job and knows he may go to war when he signs up. A civilian in a war zone has no choice.
I make no distinction by country, religion, colour, class, gender or age. ALL deaths in wars around the world are equally important and equally pointless at the same time.  |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 12:24:37
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I agree my dear sister gambiabev.But,
You see somewhere there has to be world polices if not,many Hitlers,Starlins, Bokassas, Mabutus, Botha[the mosquito] and Bin ladens would be created.
Men/Women are free to do what ever they want on this earth.Even God who our religious leader told us is in control,does not straight away punish people for the wrongs they commited.He gives them chance to repent and he forgives their sins without ilwill or grudge.
If things are left in men's hands without checks and balances from outside powers,we will go back to the dark ages.Belief me.
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 12:58:38
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Gambiabev, following the World Report On Drugs from 1993, drug traffick and weapon traffick very often are connected, and I doubt that this has changed a lot in the last 13 years. Heroin apparently is something like a currency, and according to the authors of the report, intelligence services of several countries are playing important roles in this game. The authors described a typical process in the supply chain: The drug is given to local rebel groups (in Africa, South America, etc.), they sell it and then have money to buy weapons. Nobody cares about the lives destroyed.
Knowing this, I always wondered what happened since the USA and its allies went to Afghanistan. Does it mean the secret services of these countries are controlling the Heroin market now? I read in a German newspaper that the German soldiers there have strict orders not to interfere in local drug affairs. To me this means nothing but that the Afghani drug barrons act under the protection of the occupants. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 14:46:42
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I dont thik Uk army are in control of anything in Afganistan at the moment! They dont have enough men, and dont have enough protective machinery. They are an easy target. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 15:14:11
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quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
In the last month 6 British soliders have been killed. I don't understand why my government is there and why our young men have to die.
I know alot is to do with the production of Heroin and trying to control the drugs barrons and the supply chain. This drug destroys SO many lives. It is a really wicked trade.
Can anyone explain to me why this is anything to do with the British governement?
No.No.NO. my dear it has nothing to do with the Heroin production and drug trade. in fact the only good thing the Taliban did with their strict Islam was to almost eliminate opium production completely.
growing opium started again when the Taliban was defeated. Your government and the USA are there to find Bin Laden but under their watch in Kabul opium production is at record levels.
here is an extract from one of the reports
''In 2001, following the ban imposed by the former Taliban regime, an abrupt decline of
illicit opium poppy cultivation interrupted a two-decade increase. It also stimulated a
subsequent 10-fold increase in opium prices. After the fall of that regime, cultivation
resumed at a high level in 2002 and started to spread outside the traditional areas. Although
a new ban was issued in January 2002, poor compliance with the law has so far hindered
efforts by the new government''
you can read more at http://www.unodc.org/afg/en/reports_surveys.html or at http://opioids.com/afghanistan/prediction.html (its from the Independent)
the situation is polarised now. basically there is no mission anymore as it was based on lies and greed. there are no Axis of Evil but,(and i quote) Axis of Id-iots |
Edited by - njucks on 07 Jul 2006 15:15:54 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 15:29:41
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njucks what were the lies? what is the greed?
If there is no purpose to them being there I wish they would be bought home before anyone else is killed.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 17:06:21
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Originally posted by gambiabev
njucks what were the lies? what is the greed?
If there is no purpose to them being there I wish they would be bought home before anyone else is killed.
on a broader scale the whole ''war on terror'', i think/it now seems was based on lies and quest for petrodollars. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 17:15:43
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 18:05:27
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Originally posted by gambiabev
9/11 and 7/7 both happened.
 . ofcourse. it very sad and i understand it. but Collin Powel sitting before the UN and ''showing evidence'' happened.
Invading Iraq because of WMD and Al-Qaeda links also happened.
all of the aboves were lies.
i regret the lost of lives on both sides. the thing is whilst terrorist are unpredictable, standard armies are and therefore un-neccessary lost of live can be prevented. |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 21:50:51
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The lies & greed can be explained below:
The American goal is, and always was, the control, through vassals, of former Soviet Central Asia, a region rich in oil and minerals and of great importance to
competing powers.
In mid-JULY 2001 American officials told Pakistan’s former Foreign Minister that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October 2001. That was two months before the Sept 11th bombing!
By Feb 2002, the United States had established permanent military bases in all the Central Asian republics, and in Afghanistan, whose post-Taliban government is American approved. ‘America will have a continuing interest and presence in Central Asia of a kind that we could not have dreamed of before (September llth) said Colin Powell. This is just a beginning. The ultimate goal is a far wider American conquest, military and economic, which was planned during the Second World War and which may not end in our lifetimes, or until the United States has positioned itself as gatekeeper of the world’s remaining oil and gas.
Washington’s real problem with the Taliban was not their human rights violations or opium; these were irrelevant. Although first welcomed by Washington, the Taliban did not have total control of Afghanistan; mujaheddin faction held territory in the North. For this reason, to the Americans, the regime lacked stability, the control required of ALL CLIENTS.
It was this lack of stability that deterred investors from continuing to finance oil and gas pipelines from the Caspian Sea whose largely untapped fossil fuels have become central to American planning.
Western interest in the Caspian goes back to the era when oil was being discovered, and exploited for the first time. Near the end of the nineteenth century, Russia fought to keep Rockefellers Standard Oil Company out of the Caspian. A journalist once asked and audience in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan: ‘do you know how they pronounce Baku in the United States? OIL!
For the West, the existence of the Soviet Union barred the way to oil and gas reserves.
The ‘pipeline map’ is critical, as the oil & gas are worthless without the means to carry them to deep-water ports. There are three routes a pipeline can go; through Russia, Iran or Afghanistan.
When Unocal eventually signed a ‘memorandum of understanding’ to build the pipeline from Turkmenistan to Pakistan via Afghanistan, it did so on behalf of a consortium of Enron, Amoco, British Petroleum, Chevron, Exxon and Mobil. The dealmakers were Dick Cheney, former Defence Secretary/Vice President,
James Baker, the former Secretary of State, and Brent Scowcroft, former National Security Adviser to the President. All had served in the Cabinet of George Bush Senior.
As the bombing of Afghanistan got under way, Rumsfeld promised ‘ten of millions of dollars’ to Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, which share 900 miles of border with Afghanistan.
Vladimir Putin's collaboration has won favour in Washington, such as the prospect of further strategic arms reductions and the licence to proceed with his own 'war on terrorism' in Chechnya, where an estimated 25,000 people have been killed. The reason why Chechnya is so important to Putin is that it is one of the last available routes for Caspian oil. As the Russians see it, the deal is that they keep Chechnya and the US gets unprecendented 'access' to Central Asia.
Sept 11th provided Washington with a justification.
From ‘The new rulers of the world’ 2003.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 23:41:27
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You people really make me laugh
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jul 2006 : 23:51:07
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