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jambo
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 19:46:21
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another hot potato. how to resolve the issue of africans being dumped in the dessert by crimals. This is a crime against humanity and is on the human rights agenda. Countries in mnay regions have stories of how their young peope are lured away with tales of how they can reach europe. They pay huge amounts to criminals, the worst scenario they are dumped in the sahara, or they make it to morocco only to be returned or hold in a camp. The route to morocco to spain itals for the west africans, and the route to tunisia - turkey/italy for east africans. or in the southern regions to south africa. It is human trafficking and has to be stopped, people have t put on trials and rings smashed. the aum mentioned that only 10% of the stories are tru, there are many other untold stories. Kofi called on african leaders to deal with this situation at source, why are the young men leaving. Some countries will loose a decade of youth.
At the other end they will meet with european leaders who are affected by this illegal trade to look for a solution to send them home.
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:09:43
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| Yea ok Europe dont want Africans now,why did they take africans as slaves for 400years then. |
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jambo
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:18:26
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becase they made money for them, think cheap labouror for their planations, not so now different decade and generation.
ask yourself this, why are the youths leaving the continent. 400 years ago they had no choice, no plenty of choice. they have access to media, internet even BANTABA. Secondly in slavery there was a beginning, middle and end. No there is no end, just a beginning. Also read my first sentence how to resolve this present day situation, as there was 400 years ago there is now. Africans are paying cash to africans for humans. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:20:45
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| jAMBO ARE YOU kOBO'S TWIN? |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:28:46
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| Jambo have you watch the Film call ROOTS or AMSTADS Then you will know why am beating about the bush.Africans should be allow to trave freely to anywhere They want just like Europe or America. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:36:04
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okay point taken, but they are not moving freely, someone is making money. Earlier i mentioned about speaking to someone who had paid 6,000 dls to be taken to morocco, it is money.
i have watched roots and amistad andd know their themes. But it would be better if there was some kind of quota on visas. America can easily offer mores visas to africans and they should but they don't so today they pay a crook.
Before gambia got its independence and was under british rule, any gambian could travel. the same for other african colonies. I just wish that someone would stop the traffickers.
The side issue on this, not sure if you read it, but it not on the AU summit, West Africa and gambia in particular is being used as a gateway for asian human traffickers. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:46:24
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| The only way to stop human trafficking in Europe and America is to open up for Africans to move freely,Jambo before visas were introduce,Africans were still refuse entry in uk /usa ports. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 23:23:36
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I agree, if an African person can support themselves and has a job to go to and accommodation they should be allowed to go to uk. I think they should be tested for tb and hiv before being allowed in.
A 2 week holiday is one thing, moving to another country is another. If I were to move to another country I would expect to have to prove I have a job and I am in good health.
I dont think it is a colour issue. |
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Afghanistan
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 00:07:38
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| Was it o.k to take Africans against there own will to europe as slaves then,dont you think its time for compensation.I take it everyone in uk is TB or HIV free then. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 08:29:50
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No of course everyone in uk isnt free of infectious illnesses. BUT TB IS coming back to UK being brought in by asian people and hiv is being brought in by African people. Of course NOT ALL people with TB are asian and NOT ALL people with HIV are African in the uk, but they are the high risk groups.
If I wanted to go to USA to work I would have to pass a medical which would include various blood tests, lung scan, drugs tests etc before I would be accepted for health insurance.
It seems to make common sense to me. If you accept anyone freely the burden on the health service would be SO great it would collapse. Indeed in some cities it is quite close to that situation already.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 08:35:27
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Human traficking these days is usually young women being trafficked to be slaves or prostitutes. The slave side of it is usually that they will be slaves for their own kind. SO for example a rich Russian in London will have a poor Russian girl as slave.
GENERALLY speaking it is not british people that are at the root of this trade.
Eastern europeans are vunerable because of the ease of moment across europe. Young girls are promised the world and become trapped as prostitutes.
This is not a black/white issue anymore. It is an economic issue. Rich abusing poor. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 14:04:14
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In September a book will be issued in Germany about African refugees' routes to Europe (Klaus Brinkbäumer: 'Der Traum vom Leben - Eine Afrikanische Odyssee'). The author interviewed people from several African countries and partly went the routes they are taking. Preview excerpts from this book are published now in a German news magazine, a lecture which makes you cry. Brinkbäumer's informers confirm the stories about people being dumped by traffickers in the desert.
Gambiabev, sorry, but sometimes you seem to be very narrow. First, human trafficking is not limited to prostitutes from Eastern Europe, this is nonsense. Then, most of the Africans coming to Europe cannot support themselves, as they are refugees fleeing from unbearable political and economical conditions. I don't know if you are able to imagine their situation, and I doubt you are willing to see that Europe and the whole west is partly responsible for their problems. These problems cannot be solved by individual or governmental charity, only on a political-economical level.
To give an example: In the above mentioned excerpt I saw photos from Lagos, Nigeria; a typical street which was nothing but a rubbish dump. I never saw such a place in Gambia, and I know many Gambians who never think of going abroad because they can make a living at home; they don't own riches, but they have enough for a satisfactory life. Now, if you imagine how much wealth the oil companies take from Nigeria every day, don't you get the clue that something must be terribly wrong there? |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 14:10:21
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Being a migrant is different to being trafficked. In the trafficking the human is the economic resource that someone will be using in one way or another and they are usually forced or heavily persuaded.
From Africa sometimes people are economic migrants and sometimes they are refugees from bad situations.
They are two different situations.
I find it dificult to imagine either, but I hae compassion for people in difficult situations. |
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 14:28:59
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Serenata,
Couldn't it be that the leaders, the people in charge in Nigeria just fill their own pockets and therefor let the oil companies just act like they want (make huge profits, what so ever). Those leaders don't give a damn about their own people.
To go against the purposes of those multinationals you have to have a strong and reliable government....  |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 14:32:24
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Isn't is pure cynicism to make a difference between 'economic migrants' and 'true' refugees? We shouldn't use this conservative politician's newspeak without thinking. The fact that in the UN refugee convention from 1951 economical as well as ecological migrants (e.g. from countries under desertification like Mali) were not defined as refugees means nothing but that this Charta needs to be updated.
What we subsume under 'human trafficking' is slave trade, but in many African countries it is also a 'service' used by refugees. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 14:35:37
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| Jede, look at Nigeria's history. Guess who is supporting these governments? Hmmm? |
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