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Janko
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 Posted - 22 May 2012 : 20:22:00
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Originally posted by toubab1020
ªwesternized-education-system, that N�gugi calls Europhonismª what on earth is that Janko ? yu appear to be making comments to others inplying that ªthey strengthen the misconception of the terms we are trying to do justice. Letªs see beyond the horizon and not stamp on the same place forever ... we have no choice but to grow-up.ª from m standpoint I am very confused !!! not annoyed I just cannot understand where everyone is coming from.
There is a saying, ªthe moving finger writes and having writ moves onª I am on a strange computer here,so some symbolds do not display correctly.
We had this discussion here on Bantaba. I hope this helps:
Europhonism, Universities, and the Magic Fountain (Excerpt)
"Growing up", in my usage is to question the obvious and not to cling on to things that we do not fully understand. (Remember S. Wonder .... Superstitious) |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 May 2012 : 14:46:10
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Thanks Janko, I read the contents of your link and sorry to say for me anyway it was a classic case of spouting concepts and words that would only be fully understood and discussable by "expert scholars" and not by people like me who would appriciate clarity and not Bulls+++t.
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Originally posted by Janko
We had this discussion here on Bantaba. I hope this helps:
Europhonism, Universities, and the Magic Fountain (Excerpt)
"Growing up", in my usage is to question the obvious and not to cling on to things that we do not fully understand. (Remember S. Wonder .... Superstitious)
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 23 May 2012 : 15:46:30
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I thought Ngugi was writing in the Queens tongue.   |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 23 May 2012 : 22:35:22
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Thanks Janko, I read the contents of your link and sorry to say for me anyway it was a classic case of spouting concepts and words that would only be fully understood and discussable by "expert scholars" and not by people like me who would appriciate clarity and not Bulls+++t.
To see beyond the horizon requires a bit of effort as well.
You most have asked a Bulls+++t-question. If you cannot understand that this is more than spewing concepts; it is calling attention to people’s condition of existence and spouting needs to be in this world for none but them-selves.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 25 May 2012 : 09:42:38
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"it is calling attention to people’s condition of existence and spouting needs to be in this world for none but them-selves. "
Most likely, but I cannot help being simple |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 May 2012 : 19:30:30
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Originally posted by Momodou
I belive very often our social professions are translated wrongly by scholars. Therefore, language groups became tribes and professions became castes.
I agree with Janko's arguments above. Occupation has no boundry to family name or language group.
Momodou
You captured the narrative succintly. In fact, if we analyse the trades and what theywere translated to, we will explainn away all the artificial barrier erected.
Today, what would you explain the skill and craft of a programmer, accountant, agriculturist, linguist, anthropologist etc? The terminologist use then are irrelevant in many sense. And honestly I am amazed at how Kobo with his usual cowardly write up tries to link issues unrelated and also pretend to misunderstand the article I wrote back in 2009.
i wrote that material back then after a feud between some Gambains in Spain. The quarrel ensued when someone considered a blacksmith proposed to marry the sister another guy. The man went wild and started open hostility with this man.
Now my use of the term a 'foroo' is to explain away to such people that, such is a redundant concept. But to take of that out context and try to misinterpret is sad.
Amean, this topic was discuss here in Bantaba two years ago and on my blog. But hey, such is writing, people can interpret it anyway they want. And I am happy with that. But please read the material of people correctly and don't bring personal animosity into explaining the opinions of others. Be fair and honest. As for kobo, well I am not surprise you're twisting the facts. Continue to hide. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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toubab1020
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Posted - 26 May 2012 : 21:19:28
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"Be fair and honest." Who could wish for anything more in a perfect world  ,.......................................wait a mo.............. that can never be we cannot do without Banks, stockmarkets, salesmen and politicians Psst...... anyone want to buy some facebook shares at $38 |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 27 May 2012 : 19:55:21
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toubab,
In today’s England can there be marriage between an Aristocrat and a Commoner?
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 May 2012 : 00:23:30
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So far as I am aware,there is no legal problem,probably, other problems though, the "class system" DOES still operate in England,every one is supposed to be equal and entitled to the same things,the "old boys network" is also alive and well,both these anomalies exist and thrive,however that's the way it is,and has always been ,personally I have no problem with that,It is also true that both of these social groupings (that are supposed to no longer exist !) contain just as many i d i o t s as the other extremist groups that exist in England today.
I hope I have not misunderstood your question and gone off on an entirely different line of thought than that which you had intended in your question.
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Originally posted by Janko
toubab,
In today’s England can there be marriage between an Aristocrat and a Commoner?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 11:40:43
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Something common and special on topic, especially caste system with this BBC news;
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 13:08:55
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This is another case of attitudinal change that is required,but like Gambia it isn't going to happen, the traditionalists are too strong.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 20:00:11
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Originally posted by toubab1020
This is another case of attitudinal change that is required,but like Gambia it isn't going to happen, the traditionalists are too strong.
Toubab, your attitud towards Gambians is very predjudiced and stubborn and is never going to change  |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 08:26:45
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| Kiwi, good observation. I guess Toubab is using his freedom of expression and I don’t want to be accused for censorship. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 12:21:03
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Kiwi,I note exactly what you write,as usual I make comments based on my own observations,I do not wish to offend anyone,everyone has their own opinion , looking from outside are often in opposition to those who are members of that group or community,so in that case as I come from a different culture,a western one and not an African one I am always looking in from outside,is it wrong to want to maintain traditions and a way of life that has existed for hundreds of years,? is it wrong to damage something that is better than the thing that you have because you are jealous? Is it wrong to beg for money on the basis that you have more than me, why don't you give me some?,and then are totally baffled when informed that the money that you want given is the result of sweat, Is it wrong to have to dig a hole with a stick because you never have enough money to buy a shovel to work on your land? This is why if Gambia is going to join a westernised world attitudinal change must take place,if that is not the wish of Gambians then the western world should stop interfering and giving money that goes into the pockets of those who it is not intended.
If Gambians do not want to change,and remain traditionalists ,great carry on.Which way of life is better? Gambians decide for yourselves.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 06 Jun 2012 : 12:26:27
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Thanks for that Momodou,my points of view are those of someone from a western culture,which is far away from an African culture,people are not obliged to nod their heads in agreement,they can choose which way of life is best for them,a choice that you ,and others who sometimes visit here have made,not many posters from Gambia, I wonder why
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