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toubab1020
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 Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 16:45:12
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"Some of this does not read/feel correct to me" I agree,its all about politics and the feelings of "the boss"
"Only three police officers in attendance for twenty Gambian cross-dressers at an abnormal (tourist) function...that doesn't appear to be the usual way of The Gambia Police establishment, did they not require reinforcement?"
This "activity" appears to be exactly as you write Sab, "They shouldn't have but they succumb to the dalasis opportunity"
Yes, a lack of thought on behalf of the organisers as to the consequences that would occour when you try to modify establishment thinking and make some money from putting on an entertainment,in my mind down to the organisers,what will these defendants get as a sentence ? Let's wait and see,I suspect that it will be severe.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 17:03:30
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RELATED FROM THE DAILY NEWS Belhassen laments ‘pitiable’ ratification of African Charter on democracy… "In her long presentation, she also rubbishes legislations by African governments who criminalize homosexuality. “These legislations are baseless,” she said, while urging those countries to adopt social reforms. Her tell off came in time with the arrest, charge and detention of 17 Gambians on Tuesday alleged to have been involved in acts of homosexuality."
FOROYAA NATIONAL NEWS AND EDITORIAL;
"After charging a group of youths with indecent conduct it was splashed on the pages of the national Media that they were accused of being homosexuals and lesbians. The international media also took it over. Little did the Gambian public know that the families of the young people are now undergoing psychological torture as some of these young people display emotional instability and phobias. Some claim that some of the young people are no longer going out to keep the company of friends. They are wondering how the media came to the conclusion that they are lesbians and homosexuals just because they are charged for indecent conduct.
Were the youths caught having sexual affair with persons of the same sex? Did doctors conduct DNA tests to confirm those responsible for an act? Did psychologist intervene to find out whether alleged acts were done voluntarily or because of hypnosis? The information we have which we cannot divulge so as not to interfere with the case compel us to request for a thorough investigation into allegations of indecent conduct. Those who are proud of their sexual preferences do not see exposure as a stigma. Instead they are proud to defy public opinion what ever the peril or the cost. The case of the young people require careful handling if the after effect would not be the creation of a psychologically tormented group of youths who would suffer from discrimination and stigma for the rest of their lives.
The issue of sexual conduct is now a subject of international discourse. Like alcohol, cigarette and other pleasure seeking conduct, sex is also taking multifarious dimensions which until now were kept away from the public domain. People hardly talked about them. The discussion of sexual conduct was a taboo. Now that it is in the public domain Foroyaa will produce a special issue on the subject in order to promote an open public debate on appropriate or inappropriate sexual conduct from a physiological, cultural, legal, religious, Psychological sociological and human rights perspective. We hope the public will join the debate and put an end to the taboo so that better understanding is gained regarding sexual conduct. The young people need enlightenment. A generation which fails to enlighten its youth is bound to reap confusion and chaos in the future." |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 18:21:40
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Thanks Kobo,this last paragraph sums up the whole thinking of social engineering that has become so prevalent today,individuality is lost,due to ideological intellectual academics who know "what is best for us".
"The issue of sexual conduct is now a subject of international discourse. Like alcohol, cigarette and other pleasure seeking conduct, sex is also taking multifarious dimensions which until now were kept away from the public domain. People hardly talked about them. The discussion of sexual conduct was a taboo. Now that it is in the public domain Foroyaa will produce a special issue on the subject in order to promote an open public debate on appropriate or inappropriate sexual conduct from a physiological, cultural, legal, religious, Psychological sociological and human rights perspective. We hope the public will join the debate and put an end to the taboo so that better understanding is gained regarding sexual conduct. The young people need enlightenment. A generation which fails to enlighten its youth is bound to reap confusion and chaos in the future." |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2012 : 19:23:34
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JOLLOF NEWS;
MORE WITH THE STANDARD NEWSPAPER'S INTERVIEW WITH PRINCE SANKANU;
"STANDARD.GM: Why would you endorse gay rights when Islam condemns it?
PRINCE SANKANU: Look, even in conservative Saudi Arabia we have homosexuals. A member of the Saudi ruling class was recently arrested in UK, not for homosexuality, but for killing his homosexual lover in a hotel room. We have more such examples worldwide. If we are determined to keep homosexuality out of The Gambia, we should close down the tourism industry and all the hotels in the country and then install surveillance cameras in all the buildings between Fajara and Fatoto!.....
Read more at: HERE COURTESY OF FREEDOM NEWS. |
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rassimian
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Apr 2012 : 12:09:06
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| Lets get one thing straight , because someone is a cross dresser this does not mean that they are gay or lesbian.I have a friend who is a cross dresser (in private).He is not gay and is married with 2 kids.As Momodou states 'Since when has cross dressing been a crime?' Since people like Jammeh equate it with homosexuality!! There appears no evidence so far of homosexual behaviour.As Sab said,it is probable that payment played a big part in the actions of these people and if they are genuine cross dressers so what! What you have are distorted and biased opinions about 'sexuality' which from the point of view of the powerful, that is people like Jammeh become punitive and oppressive laws. There is clearly no 'live and let live' philosophy in place here. |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Apr 2012 : 18:34:00
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Freedom of Speech
At the end of 2004, the Parliament passed two bills intended to impose harsh penalties on the media, including mandatory prison sentences of at least six months, for media owners or journalists convicted of publishing or broadcasting defamatory or seditious material or "false news."
Jammeh signed these bills into law at the end of 2005.
Am I wrong in believing that the accused have suffered character assassination (defamation) through the press using misleading words.
There must be something within these two bills to protect any citizen from such publicity until their court hearings..
For sure they will need the very best of lawyers, but all of them put together probably could not afford the fees for one court case & where are the tourist's? back home on the plane!! laughing at the frivolous activities they paid for on their trip. Oh I am so angry.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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toubab1020
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 06:57:09
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THE POINT NEWS;
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 16:58:14
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"He therefore adjourned the case till 8 May 2012" Magistrate Tabally of the Kanifing Magistrates’ Court.
"The Director of Public Prosecutions, S.H. Bakum, yesterday announced that he was taking over..........."
This is further evidence when I wrote earlier:"its all about politics and the feelings of "the boss"
I bet the case will not proceed on adjourned date of 8th May,and there will be further adjournments as" Lawyer Badou Conteh added his voice he welcomed the idea of the DPP to adjourn the case so that they could study the case file, adding that one of his clients would be travelling." this case could end up by not being heard for a long time,and "Defence counsel Lamin Camara told the court that he was not opposed to adjourning, but said the case should be expedited. Two weeks’ adjournment was long, and urged the court to make it shorter, adding that the accused persons have a constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial."
Lets see on May 8th .
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Apr 2012 : 20:59:05
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DAILY OBSERVER NEWS;
THE POINT NEWS;
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 02 Aug 2012 : 12:13:16
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State discontinues unnatural offence case
By Dawda Faye
Thursday, August 02, 2012
When the unnatural offence case was mentioned on 1 August 2012 before Magistrate Tabally of the Kanifing Magistrates’ Court, the Director of Public Prosecutions, S.H. Barkum, rose and told the court that he was representing the state along with state counsel, Mam Jobe.
Defence counsel Badou S.M. Conteh, stood up and informed the court that he was representing all the accused persons, and also held brief for the other defence counsel.
The DPP again informed the court that in exercise of powers vested in him by the constitution he was informing the court that proceedings be discontinued in the criminal case filed against Alieu Sarr, Kebba Ceesay, Abdoulie Bojang, Amadou Jallow, Amidou Nyang, Ousman Gomez, Sainey Fatty, Lamin Conateh, Lamin Sarr, Buba Banda, Ebrima Jallow, Lamin Saho, Abdoulie Cham, Lamin Jaiteh, Ousman Dibba, Abdoulie Saidy, Muhammed Manneh and Awa Touray.
Magistrate Tabally, as a result, told the court that based on the application made by the DDP, the case was struck out.
It would be recalled that 20 accused persons were paraded initially before Magistrate Tabally, charged with unnatural offence.
They all pleaded not guilty, and were granted bail.
The prosecution called more than four witnesses who testified and, as the case was in progress, DPP Barkum announced that the state was taking over the case.
After the case was adjourned for some time, the police prosecution service following the resumption of the case, told the court that it was again taking over the case from the state.
The prosecution, in one of the proceedings, informed the court that the case file was still with the AG’s Chambers for legal advice.
In another hearing, police prosecutor Jammeh informed the court that the prosecution was going to continue with the case, and called more witnesses to testify.
Two of the accused persons were later discharged and acquitted after the prosecutor applied to the court to withdraw the charge against them.
Source: The point |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Aug 2012 : 17:49:38
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It is indeed unfortunate that Foyoraa is no longer viewable on line,although Momodou tells us that the hard copy is still available in Gambia,if anyone has access to this newspaper,has foroyaa in fact got around to this promised publication ?
IF so what did it say?
"Foroyaa will produce a special issue on the subject"
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Thanks Kobo,this last paragraph sums up the whole thinking of social engineering that has become so prevalent today,individuality is lost,due to ideological intellectual academics who know "what is best for us".
"The issue of sexual conduct is now a subject of international discourse. Like alcohol, cigarette and other pleasure seeking conduct, sex is also taking multifarious dimensions which until now were kept away from the public domain. People hardly talked about them. The discussion of sexual conduct was a taboo. Now that it is in the public domain Foroyaa will produce a special issue on the subject in order to promote an open public debate on appropriate or inappropriate sexual conduct from a physiological, cultural, legal, religious, Psychological sociological and human rights perspective. We hope the public will join the debate and put an end to the taboo so that better understanding is gained regarding sexual conduct. The young people need enlightenment. A generation which fails to enlighten its youth is bound to reap confusion and chaos in the future."
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 03 Aug 2012 : 14:42:35
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Dailynews Editorial: Left to Rebuild their Damaged Lives, this is Unfair
Friday, August 03, 2012
 The arrest in April this year of the 20 people – eighteen male and two female – on the allegation that that they were homosexuals was quite shocking. The Gambian public, which perhaps was coming across such an allegation on the Gambian soil, for the first time, greeted homosexuality with widespread condemnation. It was quite interesting how an average Gambian holds on to the erroneous opinion that a Gambian would not engage in such acts; that homosexuality is imported.
This campaign was clearly led by The Gambian president Yahya Jammeh. Following the arrest of those that were eventually freed on homosexuality, he went about condemning gays. Typically ignoring the fact that his comments could influence the decision of the courts, thus potentially commit contempt, Jammeh literally whipped up public anger against what he thought was un-African and unreligious.
Indeed, if he was looking for a vote, he had almost succeeded. For what followed was a non-stop preaching on homosexuality by the Islamic religious leaders who spread the belief that homosexuals are bound for hell. Opinion survey in the media was no better. Only few dared to come out public to demand that the government recognise homosexuality as a human rights; that punishing adults for their sexual orientation is an abuse of human rights.
But, lo and behold, the authorities would soon find themselves in a dilemma. It is our understanding that The Gambia does not have any specific law that criminalises homosexuality. The only available legislation under which Gambia can prosecute a person on homosexuality is the Criminal Code. Therefore, it was not a surprise, that those that were alleged to be homosexuals were instead charged with committing an unnatural offence.
After months of legal battle, the authorities decided that the case be struck out. The court which was left with little option did as requested. Normally, this should mark the end to the dilemma of those that had been on trial. But, we are afraid, that is not often the case. Already, signs of stigma are clear. Even at the court, some of those that came to witness the trial were overheard complaining about their release.
Certainly, these people do not understand that a person before a court of law on a criminal charge is a criminal only on a court’s say-so. Not even a judge is allowed to call an accused thief a thief. And the burden of proof of criminality lies on the state, not the accused offender. For the past 400 years, or more, this has been the ironclad, guaranteed position of the common law.
Unfortunately, understanding to this effect seems low among the Gambian public, who sees anyone in conflict with the law as a criminal even before the court establishes so. This is quite worrying and the approach of The Gambian authorities is unhelpful to say the least. Knowing full well the level of understanding of Gambians vis-à-vis the courts puts a challenge on the prosecution to make sure that they have evidence that seeks to prove an offence beyond any shadow of doubt, before putting someone in the dock.
Although the release of these men and women labeled as homosexuals might prompt this editorial commentary on this subject, yet discontinuation of trials has become a norm rather than an exception. However, if the Gambian authorities do not care about the embarrassment this could cause them, they should at least be concerned about the wastage of state resources involved. More importantly, the state is very unfair to the victims of its rushed decisions. Like many before them, those freed on homosexuality by the magistrates’ court in Banjul will have daunting task of rebuilding their damaged lives. We hereby call on the public to refrain from stigmatising them, as the debate continues on homosexuality.
Source: Daily News |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Aug 2012 : 16:03:36
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"We hereby call on the public to refrain from stigmatising them, as the debate continues on homosexuality."
Does the average Gambian have debates on homosexuality as part of their lives ? Unlikely I suspect,more likely is that they often debate the hardship caused by increasing costs of everyday commodities like sugar rice etc. this is just unusual news that the politicians and courts wish would go away very soon. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
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Posted - 04 Aug 2012 : 22:42:43
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Yahya, please leave the "Goor_D'jiganes" alone. It's an order from Kitab.
Otherwise, your ass is grass! Bilaai! Walaai! Talaai..............................!
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