| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Sanusi
70 Posts |
 Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 00:21:04
|
Please lets go easy with Sister Omega. I could recall some 10 years agao when we had a very tough debate on www.jammeh2001.org. Despite our political differences, we had a very constructive debate and it did set the pace for a very healthy discussion. I believe there is something us from maintaining those standards on this forum.
I have never seen Sister Omega as an enemy and so I trust all of us should doing this shame. A constructive debate with Sister Omega could only go to show our political maturity as people representing a Government in waiting.
Your Comrade in the Struggle
Sanusi Owens- A veteran supporter of UDP. |
 |
|
|
Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 00:49:52
|
| Owens, no way of disrespect, yet hard to agree there a case of any debate lacking maturity or playing any hand for a government in waiting. Every word used in these debates by many over here is seiously calculated and very far from sentiment. Sister Omega is no personal target. You call for maturity, therefore need to observe what people post here with a matured perception. Even Jammeh is no personal target here. We are looking at a whole country Gambia in the bad hands of a brutal person. That has to stop and sadly no nice way of putting it. Gambia is ripe for a change. Some people think they can bring that about through voting. They may be right. Others believe the votes are stolen long before they are cast. Who knows? By all regards, Gambians are suffereing through the cruel grips of one person. That has to stop. Some people want it the patient way. Others will not wait another day. Everyone has a choice. A better approach is to do what one considers the best in one's own ways and let others journey their way. Surely, Gambia will never stay the same as what has been seen in last 17 years. |
Karamba |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 00:53:12
|
Its dis-heartening to hear UDP militancy being so selfish, undermining, stealing a national cause and struggles for national unity government post Jammeh/APRC for its partisan agenda already mobilising "UDP government in waiting"; without even winning 
UDP should be part of a united national front (as the common platform) to formulate the strategy to salvage the country collectively together and not dictate to lead and capitalise on general national dissent |
|
|
|
Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 00:58:15
|
quote:
Originally posted by kobo
Its dis-heartening to hear UDP militancy being so selfish, undermining, stealing a national cause and struggles for national unity government post Jammeh/APRC for its partisan agenda already mobilising "UDP government in waiting"; without even winning
Kobo,
In lot of organised democracies, political parties outside government will normally name ministers many years before they ever win elections. Anyone familiar with UK politics will not doubt that. Apart from UDP, this way of naming posistions is something that Gambians need looking at for future. It helps voters to make INFORMED decision. I am not sure if you have some personal dislike for UDP or their policy. Have you tried writing to them with your reservations about their ways ?
You may not like UDP and that's a personal choice. I am raising this with you not to defend UDP but just wonder what you are driving at.
"UDP should be part of a united national front (as the common platform) to formulate the strategy to salvage the country collectively together and not dictate to lead and capitalise on general national dissent" Kobo
From what I read, UDP calls it a "united front" with PPP, GMC and NCP as part of the front. Is someone misleading the public ? |
Karamba |
Edited by - Karamba on 21 Nov 2011 01:01:41 |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 01:57:06
|
[quote]Originally posted by Karamba
Kobo,
In lot of organised democracies, political parties outside government will normally name ministers many years before they ever win elections. Anyone familiar with UK politics will not doubt that. Apart from UDP, this way of naming posistions is something that Gambians need looking at for future. It helps voters to make INFORMED decision. I am not sure if you have some personal dislike for UDP or their policy. Have you tried writing to them with your reservations about their ways ?
You may not like UDP and that's a personal choice. I am raising this with you not to defend UDP but just wonder what you are driving at?
Karamba No qualms on certain statements/comments/opinions already made? If you referring to raising the bar and "organised democracies"; we have witnessed that PDOIS sensitized for over 3-5 on "way forward" and "Agenda 2011"; incorporating selection of flagbearer/leadership through what they consider a democratic process (i.e. "Primaries" and revised as "Convention"), which is rejected for self-proclamation or outright self-imposition/perpetuation by a political party as "government in waiting"; contrary to democratic norms and being some form of constitutional coup? So why can't UDP join a united national front or national unity coalition, rather than demanding to represent and lead opposition front
Its not that I hate UDP or any personality but am reacting on comments, opinions, national issues, strategy, tactics and policies? If I have any opinion especially on Sanusi's or any militants remarks; for e.g "being the government in waiting" I will react and in the process of exchanges we are properly informed?
"UDP should be part of a united national front (as the common platform) to formulate the strategy to salvage the country collectively together and not dictate to lead and capitalise on general national dissent"
Kobo From what I read, UDP calls it a "united front" with PPP, GMC and NCP as part of the front. Is someone misleading the public ?
It is not a united front under a common political platform distinct from UDP political platform! Also a united front is form through a "merger of political parties"! I can agree that it is UDP led-alliance and PPP, GMC and NCP rallying behind and taking the back-seat until post-election because there is no "cross-carpet" to another political party; as being described ("UDP and its alliance partners")? What makes you think that its a united front; when UDP field its Presidential candidate under a UDP ticket?
Hope you got my points and who is "misleading the public" |
Edited by - kobo on 21 Nov 2011 02:41:04 |
|
|
|
Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 02:47:59
|
| OK point taken Kobo. My understanding is that when you Kobo create a political body of people and Karamba decides forming into another body with understanding that we are in the game together, both of us will be right to call it unity. Outside that united body, we may still have others who will not be happy to join us. They too will be free to form other political body of people with united purpose. They too will be free to call theirs a united front. In the case of UDP, long before their joining hands with any other political body, they chose to be called United Democractic Party. When they join others or when others join them, they are still in good position to retain the concept of Unity. That is my understanding. Later they may decide to separate on whatever reason. |
Karamba |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 03:05:13
|
Karamba Its about clashes of policies but best strategy/tactic against jammeh/APRC is through national unity under one umbrella and with one flag-bearer for a transition period! Resolutions for "merger" is the key for national "unity", national "representation" and common platform for a national united front built or constituted! However UDP policy of "party-led alliance" is a predator/vampire policy (to eat all its rivals) as it empowers them to field Presidential candidate under UDP ticket, boost them and eventually for a UDP government; in line with The constitution of the Gambia
GOOD LUCK TO THEM IN THE COMFORTABLE MYTH, BELIEF AND CONFIDENCE THAT; "Given the fact that Darboe has more followers and has taken second position in all the past elections, he is certainly in a better position to defeat Jammeh"? And "he stands amongst all, as the best candidate to run the affairs of our dear Gambia"
QUOTE OF THE DAY
"Hope is definitely not the same thing as optimism. It is not the conviction that something will turn out well, but the certainty that something makes sense, regardless of how it turns out." |
Edited by - kobo on 21 Nov 2011 03:53:30 |
|
|
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 22:52:39
|
Karamba you are indeed barking up the wrong tree. Jammeh and I have never met. Therefore your ascertains are further than the truth. In every election there is a wild card so although Darboe may lay some claim to being the next President in waiting. Don't forget Hamat Bah neither side line Jammeh. The outcome of the election has already been written, and it is yet to be revealed to us mere mortals because Our Creator already knows who will be elected Gambian President in 2011.
This will be revealed us by 25th November. Let's hope Gambians go to the polls and vote in great numbers. There's no point moaning, blaming refraining from voting in elections. Opinion polls are one thing. What really counts are the voters going and placing their X on the voting card. As I am a British National i will not be voting in the Gambian Elections will you as a Gambian Karamba? For all of you Nationalism why have you forfeited your right to vote as the Nationalist you pertain to be? The reality it is Gambian Nationals in Gambia who's destiny is their own hands. It is they who live the day to day reality of Gambia. It's also them who will decide who the next leader will be to take the difficult decisions needed to transform their lives through these difficult times.
It is they who will decide not to be manipulated by those who will offer them everything and deliver them nothing. It is the individual voter who'll decide who to entrust and move Gambia forward to fulfill its full potential for the common good of the Nation. Gambians will determine their future regardless of who does the ranting and raving on Bantabaa in Cyberspace. |
Peace
Sister Omega |
|
|
|
Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 23:03:16
|
| Not that you and Jammeh ever met Sister Omega. We met you over here on this platform. Clearly, you are with Jammeh here in body and form. Stay by him even when tides turn him into Gaddafi type of fish. Is that clear? That's the type of association we are about. |
Karamba |
|
|
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 00:28:57
|
| Hey Karamba stop tripping the whole world has been in bed with Gaddaffi at one time or another,that includes the AU, EU and Arab League the US China, Russia etc. So stop your amateur dramatics and feeble posturing being too clever leads to stupidity. |
Peace
Sister Omega |
|
|
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 00:33:07
|
| Yes Karamba, I support the APRC and I ain't going to switch horses now in this race. Again stop tripping go relax and lay off the licker. |
Peace
Sister Omega |
|
|
|
Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 01:19:07
|
Gambians are fed up with deception and cruelty. Too much stealing, kiliings, amd terror. That has to stop. In the event that this election is stolen as past years have seen no easy ride for the rogue regime. It beats sane imagination that a person can steal whole state, whole regime, and beat his chest of winning what, elections. My question in all these years is how Jammeh came to power. He robbed his way with guns. He was not gentle by doing that. It is that rotten mind still dictating Jammeh to harm Gambians in large numbers. Now Gambians want the brutality and thieving to stop.
Nothing personal to Karamba or any individual Gambian. Get your twisted head round that fact. Gambia will no longer be a dictatorship. It has to stop with immediate effect.
Queen of the Atlantic and grand citizen of the British Empire keep your support for the criminal clique. That is your business. What you ain't gonna to do though is twisting the necks of Gambians. Now and forever, Gambia shall remain free. No deception, no robbery, no terror. |
Karamba |
|
|
|
Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 04:53:18
|
Kobo you should think judiciously and stop attacking UDP. What stop your so called united my back join UDP led alliance. You have been indoctrinated with Sallah's selfish ideologies and backward thinking. You and your Sallah are suffering from self inferiority.
We've seen them trying to sell their ideas for more than 20 years and are flatly rejected each time because of wrong vision, strategies and shortsightedness in them. They were trying to use UDP to gain recognition as well as to follow their nonesense convention. Halifa and you Kobo are the enemies of Gambian and the cause of Jammeh gripping on to the power by cajoling citizens to vote for constitution basely on falsehood. ie presidential term limit. |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 06:29:17
|
RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC;
QUOTES OF WEEK
"He (Hallifa Sallah) finally analyzed the system that prevails in The Gambia which does not require the winner to acquire more than 50 percent of the votes cast. He supported the system which requires the successful candidate to acquire more that fifty percent of the votes cast or necessitate a second round of voting. He pointed out that President Jammeh has amended the constitution to enable him to be elected even if he has less than 50 percent of the votes."
"According to Gomez, due to overstay in power by many African leaders, Africa is today suffering from all forms of problems."
"Despite the reign of democratic governance in Africa , some leaders have clutched to political power for decades, using state instruments to prolong their regimes against constitution provisions.
Unfortunately, when the leaders manipulate and abuse their positions to stay in power, they still find support to continue autocracy?"
As "destiny of nation is in hands of every mature citizen and power to the people" "Know yourselves, know your country, and the world. Then you shall be the architect of your own destiny." Foroyaa |
Edited by - kobo on 22 Nov 2011 07:36:19 |
|
|
|
Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 19:30:01
|
| Long long long time ago, Gambians have been warned against this bandit gang manipulating the electoral process. Jammeh has never had regard for laws or basic orderly due process. He will continue doing what he knows best; illegal misconduct. Some Gambians will take it light but others will make Jammeh pay the price for everything he is doing. Jammeh is simply inviting trouble and will no doubt get enough of it from Gambians. |
Karamba |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
