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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 23:26:49
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To Hell with PDOIS, Their 'Primaries' and 'Conventions' of Satanic Covenants
By Yankuba Jambang, editor, senegambianews
We get it right. Halifa Sallah and the PDOIS are in support of Yahya Jammeh and his APRC government. At least that's what the ghastly crash of the opposition coalition talks have shown. To hell with their ideas and preconditions; let's move on, UDP.
Gambians must now isolate PDOIS and their empty rhetorics which are predicated on sterile political ideologies in order to move out of our present predicament. PDOIS and their crippled ideas will not in anyway add anything meaningful to our political culture. All they are interested in is to be seen as world class intellectuals, which they are not.
Halifa Sallah has said on Seedy Ceesay's Jamano Show that PDOIS will not put up a candidate for president, but he remained tied to his 'convention' model to choose a coalition leader. His defense was that a 'convention' was needed to accommodate the two hundred thousand plus voters who chose not to vote in the 2006 presidential election! What an excuse! Listen to Seedy's Jamano Show here. What Halifa avoided to say on the show was that hundreds of thousands of voters stayed away because they felt intimidated by the security forces; they also felt disappointed by the inaction of the opposition to form a formidable alliance.
Personally, I believe Mr Sallah is jealous of the progress the UDP has made since their coming to the political scene in 1996. That's the only reason why he said of the UDP on Jamano Show: "Why do you want to own something you could not get all by yourself". But the fact of the matter is the UDP was much closer to capturing the presidency than PDOIS and NRP combined. The question Mr Sallah must ask himself is why has his party never acquired even half the votes of the UDP?
Mr. Sallah must understand that the model he is advocating for has not been practiced anywhere in the world. And I challenge him to come forth with any emperical evidence to support his parochial narrative of a 'primary' or 'convention' between different political parties to choose a leader for a united opposition. I think Mr Sallah has forgotten that he was the presidential candidate for NADD in 2006. So he was dishonest on that radio show when he said he was not interested in becoming a president.
It must be made clear to Mr. Sallah that a minority party does not lead a coalition; a minority party does not lay down preconditions for a coalition. If Sallah and his miniscule PDOIS want to be part of this national effort of ending Yahya Jammeh's rule in the Gambia, they must join the biggest party, which is the UDP, but not the UDP bowing to their inextricable tricks and sterile ideas of 'primaries' and 'conventions' of satanic covenants.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 11:35:58
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"MBARINKEH I DAAH SORONK!" 
WE ARE INTERESTED IN POLICIES, ISSUES, TACTICS AND STRATEGIES TO SALVAGE THE COUNTRY BUT NOT CENTRE OF ATTENTION ON PERSONALITIES, HOODWINKING, DICTATING, ALIENATION AND DIS-ENFRANCHISING OTHER STAKEHOLDERS
CITIZENS KNEW THEIR RIGHTS AND CANNOT BE HELD HOSTAGE BY FEW ADVANCING PARTISAN CAUSE; TO IMPOSE A UDP GOVERNMENT WITHOUT WINNING
THE POINT NEWS WITH UDP LEADER QUOTED;
The opposition leader stressed that since 2000, Gambians in the Diaspora, particularly those in the UK and US, have being advocating for an opposition alliance, and that his party has never been found wanting in advancing that cause.
1. MORE UDP leader confident of Victory
2. RELATED BANTABA TOPIC Press Release on the Outcome of Opposition Talks
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buba
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Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 13:19:32
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I do not mean to be direspectful here, but why is Halifa Sallah continuing to hang on to the leadership of NADD? Is he doing it to protect Seedia Jatta's seat, or is it a palace coup to prevent Seedia from returning as PDOIS leader?
I would be grateful if some PDOIS/NADD people can help clarify this for me(i'm assuming they are de facto one and the same party as the only member in that entity - i know legally they are not. |
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sankalanka
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Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 15:42:58
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Very, very interesting comments regarding Halifa Sallah. How is it that Halfia just cannot be discounted or ignored, given that some people are insinuating that he is not relevant or that his party can garner only 5% of the electoral votes? This goes to show that Halifa has something that his opponents just cannot take away from him.
You love the man or you hate him, but Halifa has demonstrated over and over again that he can, and does have the ability to conceptualize and guide the political narrative and can influence the whole political process.
And he be damned if whatever he has been able to guide and influence does not satisfy constituencies that have a different interest persuasion.
The question for some of us, always has been not only to remove a president from power, but also how to change the nature of that presidency to the extend that it can be humbled and its powers contained within the dymnamics of an evolving democractic dispensation.
This is the only way you change the charcater, and the political culture that has been endemic in sustaining the perpetuating of a status quo that has entrenched a president in power for 30 years, and another one for more that seventeen years and counting.
Despite all the propaganda, a party-led political coalition can never be able to uproot decades of an institutionalized political culture and goodwill, that can be inherited and transfered from one presidency to another. It is a vicious cycle that would continue uninterrupted. If we want a meaningful and genuine change, it has to be a radical transformation. We have to start anew.
Some people are merely interested in power changing hands. But they are the least interested in the process that can bring about meaningful change.
Why is it that all the other opposition political parties has to support PDOIS in their contention against the party-led coalition idea except the PPP AND UDP?
Why do we have to blame Halifa and PDOIS, and not all the other opposition political parties who do not support a party-led coalition?
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pasamba
USA
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Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 16:00:13
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| Buba, Halifa sallah is not the leader of NADD, he is the secretary general of PDOIS the party he represented at the UDP initiated talks. NADD was represented by landing Jallow Sonko and Sidia Jatta, they too were invited by the UDP. Hope this helps |
"True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 17:28:15
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quote:
Originally posted by pasamba
Buba, Halifa sallah is not the leader of NADD, he is the secretary general of PDOIS the party he represented at the UDP initiated talks. NADD was represented by landing Jallow Sonko and Sidia Jatta, they too were invited by the UDP. Hope this helps
Well according to NADD'S MOU, decision can only be taken on the basis of unanimity. I can confirm that Landing Jallow Sonko was opposed to a convention and is still opposed to a convention. PPP, which is also part of NADD is opposed to a convention. So on whose behalf did Sidia Jatta sign that statement?
Also, instead of Halifa Sallah asking for a so-called people convention, why didn't he submit himself for re-election first so that he can have legitimacy to act on behalf of PDOIS members and supporters. At the moment he has no mandate from the people and therefore no legitimacy whatsoever.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 19 Oct 2011 17:32:25 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 19:19:39
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1. INTERESTING POINTS TO GATHER FROM FOROYAA National News : UDP HOLDS PRESS CONFERENCE
"Foroyaa: NADD and PDOIS are seen to be the same will both send delegates?
Halifa: This is so because of NADD’s electoral success. It has a member in the National Assembly and a Councillor. NADD is a vehicle for electoral alliance because of the failure to develop the law for forming alliances. I have said at the meeting that the chairperson of NADD could be one of the invitees to a convention. I may add, the National Assembly member and the councillor. Other than these people PDOIS would support any proposal for NADD not to send delegates in the interest of fairness and equity.
Foroyaa: Why then did NADD sign the Press release?
Halifa: All the journalists should request for the letter of invitation sent by the UDP to the parties. NADD, PPP and PDOIS were all invited as separate parties. When the NADD Chairman proposed to leave it is the UDP leader who insisted that NADD is a registered party in its own right. This however is not important. What is important is that NADD will not be a factor at the Convention. It could only be a vehicle to promote a neutral ticket by other delegates."
2. MORE VALID POINTS AND THE FACTS UNDER 1. FURTHER BUTTRESSED BY A DETAILED REPORT OF WHAT TRANSPIRED FROM; FOROYAA National News : UDP HOLDS PRESS CONFERENCE
"The United Democratic Party (UDP) on Monday 17th October 2011 held a press conference at the Party’s Political bureau in Banjul, the capital city of the Gambia.
The Secretary General and party leader, Lawyer Ousainou Darboe indicated that the issue of a United Front is not strange to Gambians.
He said in early 2000, Gambians in the Diaspora have championed the course for a united front for the Opposition. He told the press in the midst of party supporters and sympathizers that the laudable initiative on their part has led to the holding of a Conference which ultimately gave birth to NADD.
Mr. Darboe stated that NADD didn’t work and as the November election is fast approaching, there have been a lot of talk in the media among individuals that it is time that the opposition parties get together and try to form a united front. He said people have advanced decision on the issue of a united front, but no initiative was taken formally to convene a meeting for talks on the issue. He said the Executive of the United Democratic Party gave him directive to invite opposition parties to get together and discuss the issue of a united front.
He said a letter was issued to all the opposition parties and signed by the Administrative Secretary of the party on the 11th of August 2011 at a time when he was not in town, but that when he came back, he made a follow up by issuing a letter dated 23rd August 2011 to all the opposition parties inviting them to come together to form a united front and also to discuss the modality of selecting a flag bearer. Darboe asserted that the meeting started on the 3rd of September 2011: adding that he had hoped that they could have done it so that by Koriteh time, they would have concluded.Foroyaa
3. THE POINT NEWS AND FOROYAA IS NOT ENOUGH; AS WE AWAITING VERSION OF UDP FOR THIS PRESS CONFERENCE FROM ITS WEBSITE
4. AS EXAMPLE WHAT THE POINT REPORT AS QUOTED BELOW IS DISSERVICE TO UDP AND CONTRADICTED BY FOROYAA; ON SAME UDP PRESS CONFEWRENCE AS FOLLOWS;
The opposition leader stressed that since 2000, Gambians in the Diaspora, particularly those in the UK and US, have being advocating for an opposition alliance, and that his party has never been found wanting in advancing that cause.THE POINT NEWS
"He said in early 2000, Gambians in the Diaspora have championed the course for a united front for the Opposition. He told the press in the midst of party supporters and sympathizers that the laudable initiative on their part has led to the holding of a Conference which ultimately gave birth to NADD."FOROYAA
WHICH IS MORE ACCURATE BETWEEN THE POINT NEWS AND FOROYAA ABOVE? I DON'T WANT ANSWERS FROM SENEGAMBIA NEWS BUT A PRESS RELEASE ON THIS V.I.P PRESS CONFERENCE FROM UDP SOURCE / WEBSITE
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 19:29:41
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Angry topic subject. Sends chills down my spine. Shocking..........................................l l!
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The New Gambia - Stronger Together! |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 19:58:31
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Kitabul Arerr! Don't be carried by opinionated statements, castigations, distortions and media propaganda as you can form your opinions; as a CITIZEN
A UNITED FRONT DOES NOT BELONG TO ANY PARTY BUT "PARTNERS IN SOLIDARITY FOR A COMMON CAUSE"; ESPECIALLY A GOAL AS IMPORTANT AS SALVAGING THE COUNTRY
I may not be at wave length with you on your point of observations; so it would interesting to clarify yourself? Is expression of the shock for real; a disappointment on failure of talks, mockery or tone of language of Yankuba Jabang with these wild sweeping nonsense; for the lunatics and fit for the bin |
Edited by - kobo on 19 Oct 2011 20:33:24 |
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pasamba
USA
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Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 20:37:03
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| Daffeh, if Halifa and Sidia had endorsed a UDP led coalition, would you still question the legitimacy of their decision? |
"True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of justice." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 20:45:56
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quote:
Originally posted by pasamba
Daffeh, if Halifa and Sidia had endorsed a UDP led coalition, would you still question the legitimacy of their decision?
I have raised questions about their legitimacy to act on behalf of their party members and supporters before, both here and in the Gambia -l. See the archives. I believe the headline was ''would it be another destiny has called on me to lead''. Anyway, sort Halifa out before it is too late. We already have a dictator in government and that makes it unacceptable to have a dictator in opposition.
I have anticipated this decision of theirs even before the talks begins and therefore not a surprise to me
Cheers
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 19 Oct 2011 20:48:43 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 21:02:28
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Pa Samba Don't bother yourself as the issue is not wrangling about leadership UDP is imposing a UDP GOVERNMENT WITHOUT WINNING; ARGUMENTS ON WEAK CLAIMS OF LEGITIMACY, CREDIBILITY AND DIS-ILLUSIONS ON "PARTY-LED" PERIOD
THOSE IN UK KNEW VERY WELL THAT GORDON BROWN COULD HAVE BEEN SUPPORTED BY NICK CLEGG AND PUT HIM IN POWER RATHER THAN DAVID CAMERON; TO AVOID SECOND ROUND OF VOTING
THERE WAS EVEN NO COALITION BEFORE ELECTIONS AND WHEN A HUNG PARLIAMENT WAS DELIVERED THROUGH THE POLLS; THEY HAVE TO FOUGHT, OFFERING LUCRATIVE DEALS TO WOO OVER NICK CLEGG LEADER OF LIBERAL DEMOCRATS; THAT CAME THIRD IN THE POLLS IT WAS NICK CLEGG & LIBERAL DEMOCRATS WHO IMPOSE AND EMPOWERED DAVID CAMERON TO FORM A GOVERNMENT; STRANGELY POSTURING "UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED NORM"
WE ARE NOT FORMING A GOVERNMENT BUT MOBILISING A GRAND COALITION AND UNITED NATIONAL FRONT LAWYER DARBOE AND UDP ARE NOT ADVOCATING FOR A GRAND COALITION AS THEY MARGINALISED OTHER OPPOSITION PARTIES; AS IF THEY ARE ELECTED TO FORM A GOVERNMENT
THE MOBILISATION IS ABOUT A WINNING FORMULA AND STRATEGY FOR ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES TO UNITE FOR A COMMON GOAL
EACH COUNTRY WITH ITS OWN SOLUTIONS TO ITS POLITICAL CRISES; WITHIN ITS CONSTITUTION GAMBIA HAS "MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES" AND RULE OUT CROSS-CARPETS LAWYER OUSAINOU DARBOE AND UDP MUST BE READY TO JOIN OR FORM A "GRAND COALITION" FOR A "TRANSITIONAL PERIOD" UNDER A DIFFERENT POLITICAL PLATFORM; "IN PARTNERSHIP AND SOLIDARITY" WITH OTHER OPPOSITION PARTIES? HE IS WELCOME TO LEAD A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT; ESTABLISHED TOGETHER |
Edited by - kobo on 19 Oct 2011 21:17:12 |
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buba
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Posted - 19 Oct 2011 : 21:20:51
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| Thanks Pa Samba, i appreciate that. |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2011 : 19:15:41
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quote:
Originally posted by kobo
Kitabul Arerr! Don't be carried by opinionated statements, castigations, distortions and media propaganda as you can form your opinions; as a CITIZEN
A UNITED FRONT DOES NOT BELONG TO ANY PARTY BUT "PARTNERS IN SOLIDARITY FOR A COMMON CAUSE"; ESPECIALLY A GOAL AS IMPORTANT AS SALVAGING THE COUNTRY
I may not be at wave length with you on your point of observations; so it would interesting to clarify yourself? Is expression of the shock for real; a disappointment on failure of talks, mockery or tone of language of Yankuba Jabang with these wild sweeping nonsense; for the lunatics and fit for the bin
Sorry, kobo, for the late reply. Been "busy" following the demise of dictator Gadaffi on all possible medium.
BTW, my answer to your question is of being shocked with the "tone of language of Yankuba Jabang with these wild sweeping nonsense..."
There you have it..............still...ll!
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The New Gambia - Stronger Together! |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2011 : 23:59:42
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Am sure we shall have another Waa Juwara soon from so called oppositions whose only interest is not to dislodge the dictator but only to politically benefit at the behest and suffering of the Gambians in their efforts to keep the monster dictator in power through disguise opposition! I only hope and pray Hon. Halifa is not such.
But my doubt now is, despite am in no support of foul language used by Mr. Jabang I do not see the logic Halifa has in asking for a convention now that PDOIS would not put up a candidate and he Halifa said he is not interested becoming such leader or even president.
Who would his party and supporters support now is my wonder?
Halifa is a well respected man in the political cycle of the Gambia and I belief it is time he uses it wisely before it is too late. He too would become off age soon to challenge the Dictator in an event Darboe fails this time round.
Can someone help? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 04:14:44
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Halifa/PDOIS position was in line with democratic process as citizens are enfranchised and have the right to determine affairs of the nation! Reminding you that not all opponents of Yaya Jammeh/APRC government clamouring for change are NOT in the same party; even many citizens are not members of any party and many in diaspora cannot even vote? Some are UDP and others in other opposition parties; that are legally registered with party manifesto like UDP? HOW CAN CITIZENS PARTICIPATE FOR CHANGE IN THE SYSTEM AND REFORMS FOR THE NATION; IF THEY DISSENT ARE THE QUESTIONS
We may recalled that PDOIS started its campaign for a united front three years ago; when NADD suffered dis-integration and fragmented opposition camp continued tensed rivalry and to suffer lost of credibility. They sensitized on on the way forward, agenda 2011 incorporating Primaries in it; invited every citizen to be ready for nomination and selection of consensus candidate? The Primaries cannot work and was never implemented because there were no serious talks for unity until lately this month; which necessitated reviewing it to a convention and/or smaller constituency primaries to seek consensus for general agreement or concord
Many didn't get to appreciate why PDOIS conceived Agenda 2011, advoacted Primaries and shifting to Convention? Primaries and conventions are options of selection/election process to seek consensus for general agreement or concord! They opened constitutional rights and democratic opportunities offered to all citizens to have the chance to exercise what they want and who they want; through an election/selection process; whereby ultimately consensus or general agreement is reached
Primaries is very effective to allow a wider participation in the selection/election/decision making process; if it was done years or at least one year before the elections, if possible? We knew 2009/2010 are worst years of scandals, sagas, citizens freedom and human rights records of Jammeh/APRC government scary; debates hot in Gambian politics, militancy and activism rampant, diaspora dissidents very active in Gambian on-line fora and tense media propaganda moments? PDOIS acknowledged that Jammeh/APRC has a sophisticated network on the ground but realised and became confident that Jammeh/APRC can be defeated through a free and fair elections? How is it possible, if they are of the view that a genuine multi party system does not exist in the Gambia. We have the ‘first past the post’ system of elections. There is no second round of voting. Hence if all opposition parties put up presidential candidates they would divide the votes of the opposition and make it easier for the incumbent to win. This is why PDOIS recommended for all presidential aspirants on the side of the opposition to submit themselves to cross-party primary to enable the opposition to put up only one candidate? There was nothing in harmony and common between other opposition political parties, so PDOIS can only put this proposal forward on the table; having done their own homework as a vibrant political party to get rid of Jammeh/APRC; through support of other opposition parties?
They called for a multi partisan primary to select one candidate for the opposition to contest the presidential election so that the candidate would automatically receive a multi party backing? They propose for the primary to be open to Independent Candidates so that the politically apathetic who do not support political parties would be drawn onboard because of the broad options; both nationally and internationally; especially diaspora guaranteeing them enfranchised and un-alienated in crucial 2011 for nation (which they/diaspora suffer alienated and dis-enfranchised; being the vocal mechanism advocating for reform and backing strongly opponents of Jammeh/APRC)
The Primaries would have worked through wide publicity and sensitization of Agenda 2011 and the Primaries for selection of one candidate; if it was brokered before voter registrations and/or six months of general elections, mobilising national opposition party supporters and organised series of mini conventions, regional congress/conventions, coordinated by executive committees, on-line, social networks, fora and other media to sound opinions of diaspora and all those militants and activist abroad; rallying behind opposition; tackling a questionnaire like Bantaba opinion polls sample for the one inside link Choice of opposition coalition leadership? or Jollof on-line news format inside link Who would you vote for as president of Gambia?; organised, well coordinated, results compiled and disclosed? Diaspora and many stakeholders would have benefited in nation affairs for 2011; through the proper networks and engaged them on Primaries? After the Primaries organised the networks, groups, militants and networks for moral and financial support to opposition parties then to have been in place and easily coordinated(as access to internet readily available), by authorised or registered affiliates of the United National Front network
PDOIS proposed Primaries and Convention also embrace the suggestion made by Dr. Ayittey that in the event no other party leader could be agreed upon to lead the united front, then a neutral person from outside should be called upon to lead as done in other countries? There are chances for every Gambian; independent candidates accommodated and to establish a good precedent based on trust, partnership and solidarity
Now on this eleventh hour PDOIS has lost the plots and there isn't enough time to sensitize, raised the hype to attract mass support across citizenry; so dominant party can take advantage on the status quo; with divided opinions on legitimacy, duress, imposing will, hoodwink, held hostage/ransom other opposition parties; time constraint and setting bad precedent
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". Just ask them whether PDOIS is proposing for UDP to endorse a PDOIS candidate. They would confirm that PDOIS is not and has never called on the UDP to endorse a PDOIS candidate. Ask them further whether PDOIS has not said that if a member of the UDP is selected at a primary by the people we will support the person and they would confirm that those are our very words. Where then is the power struggle between UDP and PDOIS?" PDOIS On The United Front
What PDOIS stated on its policy is that it is clear and without any ambiguity. It should be explained to the people and leave them to decide whether it is acceptable to them or not. Those who disagree with their position should formulate options to put before the people; as "power belong to the people"? PDOIS On United Front
ALL THE HATE CAMPAIGN, CLAMOR, RHETORIC, BOMBAST CASTIGATIONS, NASTY VOCIFEROUS PERSONAL ATTACKS, SMEARING AND FOUL PLAY AGAINST HALIFA/PDOIS (WHO ARE ORDINARY CITIZENS, DOYEN POLITICIANS AND VERY HUMBLE PERSONALITY) ) ARE NOT ADDRESSING THE CORE ISSUES BUT DISPLAYING SHAMEFUL BEHAVIOUR AND DISGRACEFUL |
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