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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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 Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 17:05:35
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Kobo,
You are not answering my question. I want answers not lectures about things I have already read. I am sure you not more conversant of the English language than I am so stop the highlights and come up with simple answers. You can even write in the local language if you want because I speak five of the Gambian languages.
Who would the PDOIS and their supporters back in the forthcoming elections now that they are not sponsoring any candidate? |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 17:32:43
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Janyanfara,you wrote to Kobo:
"Who would the PDOIS and their supporters back in the forthcoming elections now that they are not sponsoring any candidate?"
This is totally about politics and you would not expect a total politico such as kobo to give you a specific answer would you.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 20:23:21
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hahahahahahahahaha
You've done my weekend, toubab. |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 22:10:18
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Addressing Concerns
Darboe asserted that some have said that a party led alliance can or would lead to the withering away of the
constituent parties and they have responded to say that what they have agreed upon is that when they (UDP) win
election, the media will be opened to every party and that even when an alliance Government is in office, all the other
parties will have access to the media to sell their programmes and convince the people on the viability of their policies.
He said it is not as if one is leaving everything until at the end of the five years and then one opens the media. “So
where is the withering away of the constituent parties?”, he asked. And again he said during National Assembly
Elections, parties will field candidates in constituencies where they have more supporters than others and in this way,
he said, even during the transition, parties will make their presence felt.
Darboe asserted that probably those calling for a convention will arrange a convention among themselves- those
allegedly agreeing to a convention and he said he is using the word allegedly very adversely notwithstanding the
signing of the press release by all parties because he is not sure if NRP is supporting a convention- so that the
consultation will be between the convention candidate and the UDP.
Darboe asserted that it is not time for the opposition to engage in a debate because the Gambia has a problem that is
solvable by what they have put forward and that they do not say that it is the only solution, but it is a solution that is
reasonable and universally accepted.
In conclusion, Darboe said he is appealing to PDOIS, GPDP and NRP to reconsider their position and that come 24th
November, Jammeh will be out because the very people who are saying 99 percent are the ones who will not vote for
him. In fact, you will see a group of APRC women cross-carpeting to the UDP soon, he concluded.
Source: United Democratic Party
www.udpgambia.com
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 22:17:19
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OK, boys,have a good discussion about politics,me ? I may go to bed early.
Kobo,please don't think I am being rude to you,that was not my intention,carry on with your fellow politicos about Gambian politics, I am lost sorry,what ALL candidates appear to have lost sight of is:
What can I do for the Gambian NATION ?
and my fellow Gambians to IMPROVE their lives and the lives of their children in the future to show the world that a small country can be the lead example of fairness and improvement amongst the many disasters that are evident in Many African countries today.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Oct 2011 : 22:40:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Janyanfara
Kobo,
You are not answering my question.
Who would the PDOIS and their supporters back in the forthcoming elections now that they are not sponsoring any candidate?
"The right to vote is a guarantee for every citizen."
PDOIS has sensitised citizens and its their choice; who they want as President 2011?
I wonder whether they already had a Plan B to file their Presidential candidate or for NADD; in event of failure for a united front? They focused all their strategy on Agenda 2011 for a united front; to minimise voter apathy, mobilise an effective campaign and boost chances of getting rid of Jammeh/APRC?
There is goodwill between opposition party leaders and PDOIS maintained that it is flexible! Lawyer Ousainou Darboe UDP President candidate may have it; in my opinion as the leading opposition Presidential candidate contender?
Having answered yours please deal with mine and be specific?
1. Do you want to UDP to eliminate PDOIS from contesting 2011 General Elections; as a legally registered political party (older than UDP, with veterans, full-time or life-time career politicians) by telling them to abandon its political platform to join UDP under whatever strategy you have, especially "UDP Party-Led" through our Multi-Party Democracy?
2. What gave UDP the legitimacy attempting to coerce and impose will on a rival political party; targeting PDOIS to abandon its ideals; charging them as "Jealous of UDP"?
3. Why is Lawyer Ousainou Darboe and UDP more privilege than any PDOIS leaders; if they are given mandate to lead PDOIS campaign for 2011 General Elections; has the support to file and contest the Presidency by PDOIS Central Committee or Executive with its party militants; as deemed necessary?
RELATED BANTABA TOPIC;
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2011 : 18:11:32
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You know what my brother Kobo,
I would have kneeled on both knees with shame had you not proven me damned right about you.I said it that the likes of you are a nobody in PDOIS AND ITS ONLY OUT OF YOU SICK HATE that is killing you inside that drives you to spend all your valuable time online trying to poison minds with socalled LECTURES LECTURES all the time.
Now its true you are a nobody in PDOIS!
Why then would a KIDO JUUTO SAMATO or MBALLETI PDOIS parambulate as champions of cause which seen by most Gambians is no cause but idiology designed not for Gambia. Thats why it cannot germinate there.?
All that you know, happens to be used and waiste stuff already dumped to all even non PDOISads.
If I ask Pa samba this simple Question, at least he would come up with something even not all but something to hold on to. But YOU
Every where here on BANTABA, your comments are surfaced on almost every topic.
I can tell you everything about UDP and even things I don't know, I just have to do a simple phone call and click the answer will come to me which shows I too the party cares about me but not just a
RIF RAF like YOU |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2011 : 23:41:51
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WHAT STUPIDITY AND KNUCKLE-HEAD; ON THOSE TAKING ON PDOIS; A POLITICAL PARTY WITH CLEAR VISIONS, ADVOCATING A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT, SENSITISING CITIZENS TO DECIDE ITS NATION AFFAIRS, FIGHTING FOR FREEDOMS, SPEARHEADING CITIZEN RIGHTS, NORTURING DEMOCRATIC VALUES, WITH A SOUND STRATEGY AGENDA 2011 AND CHAMPIONING TO LIBERATE NATION FROM SELF-PERPETUATION RULE; AS STUCK IN IDEOLOGY NOT DESIGNED FOR GAMBIA ?
ALSO ARE YOU AWARE THAT A UDP "PARTY-LED" COALITION/ALLIANCE IS A PARTISAN CAUSE AND NOT A NATIONAL CAUSE FOR A "UNITED FRONT" OR COMMON POLITICAL PLATFORM WITH OTHER OPPOSITION PARTIES FOR A COMMON CAUSE?
"BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER AS PLAN B 2011!" - BAMBA K MASS
NO ONE CAN GET AWAY WITH STIGMATISING PDOIS AND DIS-ORIENTING THE PUBLIC ON ITS IDEALS AND WHAT THEY ADVOCATING FOR AGENDA 2011?
ALL GAMBIANS ON DECK OF THE ONLY UNITED FRONT SHIP THAT CAN SALVAGE THE NATION AND NO DIVIDE AND RULE POLICIES TO ONLY ACCOMMODATE FEW ON BOARD OF SHIP 
I WOULD HAVE LOVE TO SEE YOUR RESPONSES ON MY QUESTIONS ABOVE AND BRING UP SOMETHING THOUGHT PROVOKING THAN PROVOKING CONFRONTATION |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 18:23:02
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Kobo,
I only wish PDOIS, JAMBARS of Gambian politics would have been so BOLD as they are with the coalition stuff with the APRC regime as to equality to all state componentts. But alas maybe we are both cowards when it come to Yahya Jammed and the APRC.
Who are you fooling?
When oppositions including PDOIS canmnot even be seen on your own television,
when OPPOSITIONS including PDOIS couldn't be heard on your own national Radio,
when OPPOSITIONS including PDOIS cannot even hold rallies without asking Yahya jammeh's approval
when OPPOSITIONS including PDOIS cannot even demonstrate,infact nobody can
when OPPOSITIONS including PDOIS are not even consulted when it comes to national issues.
When legislations were put inplace restricting the freedom of the press of which an organ of the PDOIS the FOROYAA was seriously affected.
All the above was simply because APRC commanded a simply majority at the last polls which when compared to opposition votes and those who refused to vote, Majority of Gambians doesnot approuve of their policies. But just a simply majority over the opposition and not over Gambians,
We are all subjected to these humiliations by the monster. What do PDOIS DO? UDP we are cowards lets say.
PDOIS NEVER shaked even a desk much more call for our voices be heard. Because they are champs.
I remember in 1994 when Halifa Sam and Sedia were seen as Jambars of Gambia at the quatrangle selling the FOROYAA news paper when there was a ban on publication and selling of news papers by the then Military junta now turned civilians.
They were hailed as true brave champs and everyone was there when they were dragged to court until acquitted.
BUT THAT WAS ALL SINCE THEN MUTE WE HAVE ALL BEEN
NO MORE JAMBAR YA
COWARDS WE HAVE ALL TURNED INTO HAVEN'T WE?
Now you calling for equality when it comes to oppositions but the APRC can do all the above under your very nose and yet you do nothing about it.
Is it where your Jambar ya ends or its only talk talk and do nothing?
Or was it because you escaped the monster the last time now he is more very Dangerous having tasted MANSAYA and know how sweet it is and has started killing for it that scared you?
I have said over and over I never want to attack the PDOIS for it is a party I respect.
BUT
Either someone has run out out of ideas or sick in the brain.
Yahya Jammeh is president because he had the majority according to the IEC.
How comes there is no calling for equality for access to what belong to us all for the past 17 years from your end.
I would love to see PDOIS Champion that cause to show they real Jambars. UDP are cowards.
If because of one thing makes one a Jambar then I am more Jambar than any PDOISad BBECAUSE I underwent extream turture for Gambia none i the PDOIS did.
Also UDP had lost members through turture and disappearances while no PDOIS member is ever dead or missing as a result of Jammeh's brutality. I don't even know what you talking about?
UDP IS THE SECOND LARGEST PARTY THAT NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
There fore calling us equal is an insult to Gambians.They said we are not equals.
who are you guys to ask otherwise when you cannot even sponsor a candidate?
If you want equality go and ask that from the electorates. |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 26 Oct 2011 19:03:16 |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2011 : 23:11:09
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Everybody would rather have it their way than the way of the citizens. It is nothing but a national disgrace. Somebody ought to be better, someone ought to come out and say this is not about me or my party but rather about the Gambia and the Gambian people. Anything less is on their own terms and NOT for the interest of the Gambia and the future of our democracy! Anything less is a diservice to our fallen citizens.
Political enemies work together all the time... nothing precedented in calling for one side to give up its position and join the other even if their interest is temporary suspended.. Let's look at the long term consequencies of these disunity!!!
I would rather live another day to fight a more dignified political battle than live the status quo were our citizens are humiliated daily and we can't do Jack about it...
The world is watching as Jammeh gets more comfortable... come Nov 25, a nation's spirit would be dead and you wonder why everybody is begging for the man in power.... Blame Mouses Richards, Blame Waa Juwara for wanting to be free...
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2011 : 10:14:26
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Dbaldeh as this topic is demonisation of PDOIS and never ending ludicrous caricatures, malicious slanders, hate mobs campaigns and stigmatisation of this party and its credible outstanding politicians! I would have finished with this topic but have opinions on some your comments; focusing on the issues.
I agree with you on this to salvage the nation; "Everybody would rather have it their way than the way of the citizens. It is nothing but a national disgrace. Somebody ought to be better, someone ought to come out and say this is not about me or my party but rather about the Gambia and the Gambian people. Anything less is on their own terms and NOT for the interest of the Gambia and the future of our democracy! Anything less is a diservice to our fallen citizens."
BUT PLEASE TELL ME HOW TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN AND REPRESENT THE NATIONAL CAUSE AT THIS ELEVENTH HOUR
You have to acknowledge these facts and certain technicalities in the process of these talks and negotiations, as follows;
1. A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT OR ORDINARILY A UNITED FRONT IS NOT EXACTLY SAME AS "UDP PARTY-LED ALLIANCE"
2. A NATIONAL ALLIANCE FOR DEMOCRACY & DEVELOPMENT (NADD) IS NOT; FRAMEWORK FAR BETTER AND THAT COMMON NAME CAN BE MORE COMFORTABLE/MEANINGFUL WITH OTHER OPPOSITION PARTIES (IN TERMS OF OWNERSHIP & CONTROL/ACCOUNTABILITY) THAN "UDP PARTY-LED ALLIANCE"
3. UNITING "UNDER ONE UMBRELLA" OR "MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES" FOR A COMMON GOAL IS NOT "PARTY-LED" OR "CROSS-CARPETING"; AND ESTABLISHING A UNION/PARTNERHIP WITH RIVAL POLITICAL PARTIES MUST DEAL WITH CERTAIN ELECTORAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL MATTERS
4. A "PARTY-LED" COALITION/ALLIANCE IS NORMALLY DONE TO FORM A GOVERNMENT POST ELECTIONS
5. AT THIS ELEVENTH HOUR UDP LEADER STANDS AS LEADING CONTENDER AND CONVENTION MOST LIKELY TO BE DROP AND LAWYER OUSAINOU DARBOE ENDORSED TO LEAD; IF THEY RE-NEGOTIATE FOR A UNITED FRONT OR COALITION/ALLIANCE
6. IF HIS NOMINATIONS IS FILED THROUGH UDP NOMINATION FORM, LEGALLY IF HE WIN THIS ELECTION ITS A UDP GOVERNMENT (UNDER A UDP TICKET) AND CANNOT BE CLAIM AS A COALITION/ALLIANCE GOVERNMENT
7. RIVAL POLITICAL LEGALLY EXIST AND THEY DID NOT FIND THE COMMON POLITICAL PLATFORM, CONCORD, PROPER STRATEGY AND TACTICS FOR "A PARTY MUST EXIST WITH A PARTY NAME TO FILE A NOMINATION FORM
8. THE DAILY NEWS WITH Things Fall Apart: Darboe Explains
9. RELATED BANTABA TOPIC GAMBIA "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH" NEXT PRESIDENT DARBOE
10. I STILL CANNOT DIGEST THIS STATEMENT;
"We ask all our citizens to be an integral part of the change they seek by getting involved in whatever capacity suits them. Change is always a difficult task and along the way it is easy to become despondent, fearful, tired, angry, and sometimes be tempted to throw in the towel. But because the cause we have embarked upon is a just one that must be pursued, we must all strive harder to achieve these important goals. We however, can do it only if we come together as one and face the opponent. This cause is bigger than any individual or group of individuals." UDP Leader's New year message
11. I MADE THIS SUGGESTION AND WHICH IS FEASIBLE, VIABLE AND IN LINE WITH "MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES" AND LEGAL THROUGH ELECTORAL LAWS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA; WITH SOMEONE HAVING A DIFFERENT VIEW; TO DEMONSTRATE NATURE OF GAMBIAN DEMOCRACY AND WHAT OTHER CITIZENS THINK? REFER TO THIS EXCHANGE AS FOLLOWS?
From Lalo Kebba
"Quoting Jangjang:
"A United National Front and endorsing Lawyer Darboe to lead; being flag bearer is the solution;"
Comment:
Wow, What a nice suggestion Jangjang!
But can you brief us about Numukunda's political history since he come to the political bonanza, what records did he break in this arena? This is was the first politician to be abandoned by his own people in his area when he first put on the political Cap on his head. Yaya Jammeh won him at birth place and main family home for 1996 General elections!
He seriously lost all votes counted for President candidates and the bid for UDP palimentary seat there, and even that Fullaani Boy won for the first time not to mention Sidia Jatta, So if someone's own people abandoned him from the onset, what do you expect from other part of Kambi Bolong to do for him?
We are at the right time for Numukunda to give chance to others in his party to lead, Kambi Bolong is for all to lead not only one face to be front.
In the service of the truth I remain"
11. ALSO ARGUED AGAINST POINT.10 by a UDP militant is that;
"Darboe is the only opposition leader in the post independence history who consistently register more than 25% of the total votes and on two occasions, more than 30%. And by the way he never stood for parliament. It was his father who was a long time parliamentarian representing PS Njies's United Party. Darboe lived with PS Njie when he was going to school in Banjul. He was the most adored in the Ps Njie household because of his intelligence and discipline."
How can Halifa/PDOIS be responsible for failures? Please desist from the personal attacks and assess the strategies, tactics to settle LEADERSHIP, entities, organisation structures, framework, systems, democratic process, feasibility, viability, legality and constitutional requirements; towards the common good?
Note that; - On UDP proposed "UDP Party-led Alliance", "the sticking point, in my view is not who leads,but rather whether the alliance will not used as a way of getting into power,consolidating that power during the transition period and entrenching one party in power?"
- PDOIS proposed a convention to settle the matter because they couldn't agree amongst them. Hamat Bah is on record for saying that he will not be part of a UDP led alliance. So it's not just PDOIS as most people want us to believe but CRITICAL ISSUES AND APPROACH TO ADDRESS THEM; ESPECIALLY LEADERSHIP AND BIDDING THE PRESIDENCY UNDER A PARTY NAME?
- UDP Proposal ,just like PDOIS Proposal (agenda 2011) were both rejected, concessions have been by both sides and compromises reached on almost all areas except the leadership question; as we understand it? No document has yet been signed binding on all partners in the alliance.?
- A convention,being a middle way,would have given those aspiring to lead the alliance,the opportunity to present their credentials to all across the board,and it would be binding on all to rally behind the chosen candidate or risk losing credibility at home and abroad?
- "PDOIS,it is reported,will not even be presenting an official PDOIS Candidate at this convention. Given the fact that delegates will be chosen on the basis of proposonal representation, with UDP having the most delegates,and Darboe likely to win any elections there, I fail to see how this convention,which is a ONE DAY AFFAIR,is proving to be the biggest obstacle?"
- It's just not good enough to give the impression that the problems are between PDOIS and UDP unreconcilable positions, because the NRP is not in TOTAL AGREEMENT with all components of the UDP Proposal (which is same semblance like "NRP Party-led"); amongst other parties with regard to the Press release ?
- That an alliance/coalition/united front victory will lead to the formation of a Transitional government,implementing alliance/coalition/united front programmes,rather than any party programmes? So what is "UDP Party-Led Alliance"?
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