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Dalton1
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Prince
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 Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 05:55:37
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In as much as I do not like Darboe as a political leader.... based on what is publicly discussed, it is easy to say that UDP made the most reasonable offer.
The other parties are acting like a bunch of dangam Saturday morning warga-warga soccer players who try to rewrite FIFA rules to compensate their lack of fitness.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Sep 2011 : 12:24:05
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| It has been very obvious from the start of "the talks" that nothing would come of them,why?,because there was very "little give and take" by any of those involved, each wanted virtually everything and were unprepared to work together to form an effective opposition,I would agree with Prince when he wrote:"based on what is publicly discussed, it is easy to say that UDP made the most reasonable offer." which I think he knew would not be accepted by the others,therefore he has enhanced the position of the UDP a little in the eyes of the electorate. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 01:13:35
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Originally posted by Prince
In as much as I do not like Darboe as a political leader.... based on what is publicly discussed, it is easy to say that UDP made the most reasonable offer.
The other parties are acting like a bunch of dangam Saturday morning warga-warga soccer players who try to rewrite FIFA rules to compensate their lack of fitness.
1. Are you or GAINAKO privy to what was discussed 
2. Did you or ESPECIALLY GAINAKO NEWS EDITORS EVER SAW/READ THE PURPORTED "WRITTEN PROPOSAL" OR "RESOLUTIONS" "PRESENTED from UDP tendered at that meeting and/or publicised under as PRESS RELEASE ahead of November 2011? THERE IS WELL DOCUMENTED AND ARTICULATED P.D.O.I.S ON A UNITED FRONT
3. What did UDP tender in public domain for Coalition or United front; apart from THE PROPAGANDA AND PEDDLING "PARTY-LED COALITION" FROM ITS PROPONENTS (UDP-UK /DAFFEH &CO) THAT ONLY SUITS THEM AS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS PURSUING PARTISAN INTERESTS (BEND ON COERCIVELY DEMANDING REINS OF POWER & CONTROL) RATHER THAN SERVING INTERESTS OF ORDINARY CITIZENS; AS NATIONAL INTERESTS IS AT STAKE NOT A UDP GOVERNMENT
4. Hope you are not referring to this section of Gainako report;
"UPD, according to reports by those who attended the meetings presented a written proposal where they demanded a party led coalition to be headed by the UDP. They reported to have put everything else on the table including a popular demand for a five year transition and the flag bearer would also not contest or endorse any party or candidate after the five year transition. It was also reported that the UDP party also indicated that it was willing to have an equal representation of all opposition parties regardless of size in a UDP led government.
It is worth noting that these were conditions that were key demands in the default Memorandum of Understanding of the failed NADD coalition in 2006. Many independent observers reported that UDP has made serious concessions which they refused to do in previous coalition efforts."
5. GAINAKO EDITOR'S DID NOT ALLOW READERS TO FORM OPINIONS, WERE NOT OBJECTIVE AND BIASED ON WHAT WAS FED TO THEM? ALSO CERTAIN ANALYSIS APPEAR TO BE BASED ON CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS OF WHAT ACTUALLY TRANSPIRED
6. HOPE GAINAKO WOULD CLARIFY FOR I DON'T EVEN GET THE POINT OR UNDERSTAND THESE WILD ACCUSATIONS AND SPECULATIONS;
"Many people also question why PDOIS would demand each opposition party select equal number of representatives to nominate a leader even though it is consistently clear that the opposition parties have more following. Some argue that the selection of such party representatives should be based on proportional representation according to the size of the political party. In other words if they truly believe in representative democracy, then why are they not agreeing to proportional representation in selecting a flag bearer... many opined that there are some signs of insincerity in this demand for equal representation."
PS: ETHICS OF "news reports presented factually without analysis"
7. ALSO RELATED FROM MAAFANTA.COM Parochial interests above our national interest - Joe Sambou on the coalition - G.Post
8. A G.POST RESPONSE THAT REFER TO 7 ABOVE
9. RELATED REJOINDER FROM FOROYAA Editorial : OPPOSITION UNITY, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
10. FUNDAMENTALLY THERE MUST BE THE INTENTION AND COMMITMENT TO "UNITE" OR "FORM A COALITION/ALLIANCE/MERGER" (FOR PARTNERSHIP, TEAMWORK & SOLIDARITY) FOR ANY SUCCESS AND PROGRESS TO FIND A COMMON GROUND, FRAME WORK FOR COORDINATION/COMMUNICATION/ACTION PLANS/TERMS AGREED ETC? THEREFORE THE SELECTION OF LEADERSHIP OR FLAG BEARER AMONGST OTHER ISSUES THAT MUST BE RESOLVED ARE SECONDARY; TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL? SO IT WOULD BE NICE TO PUT EGOS ASIDE AND EVERYONE PULL TOGETHER UNDER A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS; RATHER THAN PLAYING PARTY POLITICS AT A TIME OF NATIONAL CRISES! |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 07:52:02
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Kobo, Gainako's report includes some analysis which is the modern way of news reporting... the reporters observation on the facts is crucial and needs to be high lighted... note this was not an investigative report....
If Halifa and Darboe did not refuse to talk to the press about what was discussed, there wouldn't have been third party reports. People could have heard directly from the horse's mouths.
So you can spin that report in anyway you want, but the facts are the facts...
The same primary and or conventional representation issues was reported in Halifa's short interview with foroyaa....
It is up to the UDP to put the document they presented in the public domain and we hope they do... it is however immaterial in this case since we know what the contentions are!!!
As much as I admire and have lot of respect for PDOIS policies and principles, Gambia comes first beyond any personal or party principle...
The fact is, Halifa and PDOIS folks can make a bigger difference if they are part of something larger than PDOIS and themselves. Their intellectual power can and will have an impact no matter what form of a coalition they are a part of...
We have reached a boiling point in Gambian politics and common sense dictates that they rally behind the person and party that gives them the best opportunity to win.
This is not about the UDP or NRP or PDOIS... this is about Gambia and Gambia only! Is Darboe perfect NO, Is the UDP perfect NO, but so is PDOIS or NRP... They just have to compromise and take incremental progress....
By the way, if you know anything we don't please send to gainako and we will report fair and square... our analysis however are our editorial observation and we stand to be corrected! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 14:24:46
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Mawdo Kobo,
It is time to explore outside some political realms. We are tired of being held hostage by dictatorship. The top echelons of the opposition are not compromising in principles to create an inheritable Gambia for our kids and grandchildren through a coalition capable of unseating Jammeh. In as lovely as my Halifa/Sidia/Uncle Sam and their progressive minds are, at this point, they need to realize the urgency of now, to at least compromise in principle for the common good. This applies to Hamat, Darboe, Gomez, Fatty, OJ, and the rest that sacrificed to be part of the opposition camp. Primaries like suggested by Halifa are not at all a bad idea, matter of fact, it could have been the best way to get the best candidate, but time is against us, and a decision is needed ASAP. For Hamat, I think he needs get off the high horse and face reality. A word for the wise…
Thanks for always adding value to Gainako's threads
Have a wonderful day.
Regards,
Yero
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Prince
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 20:13:35
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Kobo,
I may be misinterpreting your post. Your use of uppercase, colors, underlines, and numerous web-links makes it convoluted for not-so-smart people like me to understand.
Back to the relevant, i said my opinion is "based on what is publicly discussed." I am not dogmatic and my opinion continually shifts whenever I hear new information. So if you have information we are not privy of... please share.
While doing that, keep in mind that, here is Bantaba and not a philosophy/critical thinking class, so do not expect people to go through ten web-links to understand a simple concept that can otherwise be said in ten words. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 21:05:30
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Kobo,
...While doing that, keep in mind that, here is Bantaba and not a philosophy/critical thinking class, so do not expect people to go through ten web-links to understand a simple concept that can otherwise be said in ten words.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 21:18:00
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Kobo,
"Bantaba and not a philosophy/critical thinking class,"
I must agree with those words of prince,
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2011 : 23:40:07
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Prince, dBaldeh, Yero, Sister O and Toubab 1020!.
Thanks for your comments and points noted
dBaldeh thanks for acknowledging that "investigative reporting" was not done but Gainako managed to produce this article giving an "inaccurate" report; at this crucial times of the political crises of opposition front; when all of us are keenly awaiting developments from current talks
All of us; Our inputs and/or opinions are vital. They are helping in understanding on-going discussions, the facts, issues, posturing, addressing them in proper perspectives and setting the records straight. For on-going Opposition meetings searching for credible strategy; they should trace their problems back to 2006 (culminating from failure of N.A.D.D), what they have learnt from it travelling through time to 2011 and focus on the problems as ORDINARY CITIZENS AND COMPATRIOTS TO AGREE? However that is not happening as partisan politics is at play and to discredit each other?
We should acknowledged that opposition parties are at the forefront but they are not only opponents to mobilised an effective campaign? All citizens' should participate in their franchise and destiny of the nation? THEREFORE ALL OPPONENTS MUST BE "IN PARTNERSHIP & SOLIDARITY", "UNITED IN ACTION", "UNITY OF PURPOSE" OR "UNITE UNDER ONE UMBRELLA" TO ACHIEVE A COMMON GOAL
WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER AND WILL BE BACK ON HOW
Prince If I came back it will help you understand the issues/crises? The status-quo is same and 2011 with worst chance for opponents than 2006? Coalition and/or alliances were formed and they should critically review why they failed on first conspiracy to topple Jammeh/A.P.R.C in 2006; as the basis for progress, adjustments and address any constraints to achieve the common goal
IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS CONSIDER TO IDENTIFY APPROPRIATE SOLUTION(S) PERIOD!
1. THE POINT NEWS Opposition parties fail to agree vote pact
2. JOLLOF NEWS Gambia's Jammeh Seen Boosted by Rival Pact Failure
3. THE POINT NEWS WITH A VERY RESOURCEFUL EDITORIAL: Moving Gambia forward
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toubab1020
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 01:56:57
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| Kobo,please do not feel battered,we all know how deeply you feel I am sure,and you also recognise that many have differing views to those that you hold,I feel that I am an intruder here as I know nothing about politics I am often baffled by the strength of feelings that are held by many here and I try my hardest not to post on Gambian politics as they are nothing whatsoever to do with me, just read what others have written sometimes though I feel I must write something,I hope everyone understands that.I really try just to be an observer on topics that concern Gambia a country and people that I am very fond of,but I do despair of the lack of human progress,a country that has excellent advanced communications yet has so many who do not wish to move from the times of their grandfathers. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 03:22:21
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Enough excellent wise words and political education, to mitigate our egos, temperaments and grief inside;
Moving Gambia forward |
Edited by - kobo on 23 Sep 2011 03:44:24 |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 09:43:30
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Brother Kobo... thanks always for the immense resources that allows us to have a balance perspective...
Now Kobo, all the analysis and reasons why they failed in 2006 has been done and every opinion and or suggestion has been made. We all agree to disagree and that is that.
We now need to move the ball forward for the shake of Gambia....
We all honestly know... Darboe has the best chance of being elected in the Gambia... fair and square... no matter how they arrive at selecting him... he gives us the best opportunity period.
Please let Halifa and others know that one can lead without being the figure head... In other words one's intellectual will and power can steer a group into something greater if one is part of something bigger...
When you combine Darboe, Halifa, Sedia, Hamat, OJ, Mai etc... we are sure to get a superior policy decision that by and large will be dominated by the best and the brightest among these people...
Leadership dynamism will come to play in such a strong group of personalities. Everyone of them has their own strengths and weaknesses...
Darboe's personality and speacialty will lead such a group to focus more on legal constitutional reforms and flexibility towards dealing with freedom of expressions and the judiciary...
Halifa's strength and pragmatism can steer the group towards favoriable social and public policy decisions... he could be an instrument or one if you may to lead an effective government policy changes...
Sedia, could be the pioneer of our educational system, a master in formulating policies of the legislation and local governments...
OJ, without a doubt could be an immense contributor towards reforming our private institutions and civil societies like women's movement, youth movement and other strong social institutions... OJ, with his agricultural experience from the former regime could put our farmers back to work and make our country proud once again...
Hamat, could bring in the business talents and reform our tourism sector attracting and boosting our tourism and private sector industries... he could be a contributing factor to help strengthen the legislative body and local governments. He could oversee the reform of the electoral process...
Mai fatty... could be a great contributor to reforming the judiciary along side Mr. Darboe... he could be the pioneer of a robust international relation campaigns including freedom of the media, human rights etc.
So can citizens see how this group of opposition leaders make up exactly the whole that Gambia needs...
Please suppress any personal ambitions and get this golden opportunity a chance..... I am convince we don't even know what we have.... Please please give the Gambian people a chance and hope for change....
Please Note: A flag bearer does not always have the most influence in a group... the policy makers have the most effect... |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 11:34:20
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Rejoinder; Clarification on Gainako Editorial of 19th September 2011
‘‘UPD, according toreports by those who attended the meetings presented a written proposal wherethey demanded a party led coalition to be headed by the UDP. They reported tohave put everything else on the table including a popular demand for a fiveyear transition and the flag bearer would also not contest or endorse any partyor candidate after the five year transition. It was also reported that the UDPparty also indicated that it was willing to have an equal representation of allopposition parties regardless of size in a UDP led government.
It is worth noting that these were conditions that were key demands in the default Memorandum ofUnderstanding of the failed NADD coalition in 2006. Many independent observersreported that UDP has made serious concessions which they refused to do in previouscoalition efforts." Gainako
The UDP voluntarily signed the NADD MOU which also contained the 5yr transition programme and its attendant conditions. When the party withdrew from NADD three yrs later, it stated its reasons for doing so and the 5yr transition programme including all its attendant conditions were not part of those reasons. Therefore, the above insinuation is misleading and does not reflect UDP’s positions in relation to NADD. I hope the Gianako editorial team will find the need to retract their statement in the interest of fair and accurate reporting.
At this crucial stage of our struggle, it is imperative that we do everything possible to avoid distorting each other’s past records.
Regards |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 23 Sep 2011 11:37:00 |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 12:45:45
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Mawdo Demba,
Thanks for the beautiful way of crafting these formulas for Kobo. (lol). You certainly are speaking for the many concerned citizens. Mawdo Kobo should take Toubab's words --"do not feel battered..." Take a rest, drink some wonjoh, top it with chakri, etc...and allow the dust to settle. lol.
Without a doubt that no single political party can remove Jammeh. The ping-pong game is just a waste of time. Well, November is just at the corner. At this point, we neither need spin masters nor those in denial of the truth.
Yero |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2011 : 00:42:58
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Before posting my analysis/comments I would like to share a selection of interesting comments/concerns/divided opinions of citizens, as QUOTES OF THE WEEK from Gambian on-line fora;
1. "What is happening in The Gambia today is very sad my brothers; we have our dear motherland's neck and tail in the hands of a leader called Yahya Jammeh who thinks the whole country and her pple belong to him. On the other hand, the opposition parties and their leaders cannot even agree upon a single main front to unseat Jammeh let alone select one candidate. Every time they convene a meeting to discuss the issue of a merger, they fail more than they have before. The likes of Hamat Bah and ousainou Darboe cannot meet without castigating or insulting each other. As for now, I trust The Gambia better in the hands of jammeh than these politicians."
2. "Some of you have just been seeing only the tip of the iceberg of the Gambian political scene. The surface is unfolding bit by bit...."
3. "I oppposed Jammeh on many of his policies but to be quite frank he is far better than these opposition figures who cannot even agree among themselves. Jammeh has brought tons of development in the Gambia. I visited the Gambia and its beautiful to say the least."
4. "This news is very disappointing to many. For an opposition political leadership that claims to understand the almost impossible task of defeating the APRC on their own; to fail to reach a workable agreement is indeed an indication of the enormity of the task we face in The Gambia."
5. "I have long argued that Jammeh's political strategy is ACE! Again I was attacked over and over again simply because I support him based on my free will.
The root caused of Jammeh's sustainable political and electoral success is LARGELY based on a book written by Dr Ali. A Mazrui..."The Cultural Forces in The World Politics"...A book that Jammeh himself is very acquainted with since early 1990...."
6. "President Jammeh has survived many storms and remains controversial."
7. "Politics is a profession of hypocrisy and protection of interests. Jammeh is not getting everything right but looking at the political landscape of the Gambia, Jammeh is what people see."
8. "GrandMa Sirreh says..It is such an embarrassment that whilst Yaya is having a killing spree Progress on; the opposition front is being stalled by leaders who cannot be leaders, who cannot put country ahead of egos.
We have to call a spade a spade for heavens sake, we have no time for primaries, gambian sons and daughters are in jail and torture chambers waiting to be salvaged. Who has time for primaries? Of course all parties have their reps, so all you folks have to do is Put Ousainou forward and move On.
For heavens sake!!!!! Am already sick! No democracy in the Gambia yet so all this ping pong is making us all sick. Help us out folks." |
Edited by - kobo on 24 Sep 2011 02:44:27 |
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