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toubab1020
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 Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 12:47:11
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Turk & Moe,boys it's great to dream about what COULD be but at the present time in the life of the Gambia,your ideas are not viable,comes back to the same old thing MONEY the country has NO MONEY,the WORLD is suffering from NO MONEY except for oil rich countries,are they going to pour Millions and Millions of Dalasi into Gambia ? of course not.turk"Las Vegas in the middle of the dessert. He probably oppose that, why anyone live in the dessert." It works ,Why,because it takes peoples money,it gives people pleasure, drink girls,anything you want,can you see a Muslim country like Gambia accepting such behaviour from the inhabitants of a Gambian city, of course not. Africa and the people of Africa are still under the spell of tradition and tribalism and are happy with that way of existance,is that right or wrong ? depends on your point of view,but Africa and Africans have different thought processes than people from The Western World, The Chinese World The Indian world, and all the other peoples who make up the world that we ALL live in in our own little sections. PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT. SOME ARE GOOD SOME ARE BAD.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 13:28:13
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touby - I did not suggest Las Vegas for Gambia!!!!! Tribalism, tradition... WTF are you talking about? As usual you misunderstood.
Moe
There is too much focus on 'rhetoric' about political process in Bantaba. There should be more focus on projects, development, wealth generations, business. Having dominated western influence (Surprise most diaspora live in western world) is one of the biggest obstacle for development. Gambia should have little bid more of Malaysians, Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, Thais, Taiwanese to balance.
Look at what NGOs of Europe doing. Mostly 'charity work' about social investment. I am not saying it is bad. I just want to observe the way of thinking. I think that is something inherited from Europeans. European development model does not fit Gambia. Far east development model is more a fit to Gambia. Even Turkey is a better model. Even Latin America. European model is the worse fit, in my opinion. And look at what Taiwanese doing. Mostly capital investment. Sending students to Taiwan for technical training in engineering. I met some Taiwanese i.e. working in GRTS, working on infrastructure, agricultural work etc. I just think Gambia must focus on development little bid more than improving political process. There needs to be balanced for everything. There needs to be balanced approach of the problems Gambia is facing. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 16:09:05
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turk as usual you appear totally blinkered no use in replying to your suggestions as it is met with WTF are you talking about,one thing that you and I agree on is your reply to MOE: "There is too much focus on 'rhetoric' about political process in Bantaba." even you are realising that now,a breakthrough............Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr probably not !  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 16:23:09
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Moe
Can you explain this to touby?
I realize it now!!!! That is total ES. He is too dumb to realize that is my main point, mother of my points in bantaba. This has been what I have been defending in bantaba since the beginning. Obviously he has no clue what is being said here. Doesn't he get it, my focus to change the thinking of Gambians switching from obsession on democratic political process, rhetoric and Jammeh bashing to social, economic and development issues that matters to a society. People are focusing on too much on 'rhetoric' of politics. Please explain him in a language he understand. My english is not that good. He just does not get my points. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 18:13:22
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The advantages of relocating Banjul should be a welcomed development Touby, first of all the city is infested with Mosquitoes and filthy with substandard buildings. Banjul was the best location for the colonialist, the reason why it was chosen was for the control of the mouth of the river and the atlantic ocean, strategically it was not for the Benefit of the Nation as a whole.
The british were only after their interest for how can anyone explain a country with less than 4000 miles square, Relocating the city to a more strategic and vibrant environment such as Soma or Mansakonko I would assume would be most ideal in terms of all the aspects TURK elaborated on ranging from easy access to government offices,sustainability and governance.
Relocating the city to a more strategic location is one of the best things that can Happen in Gambia, Look Banjul was what the white man needed right at the mouth of the Atlantic for easy access, management and governance, Since Independece the focus should have been to relocate the Capital to a more startegic location, Even the Mansas that ruled Gambia, were located in the interior,starting from . It was the King of Kombos that sold Banjul to the White Man so they can transact their business and transportation was an ease, Banjul is a shipping port and should remain such, Strategically as Turk stated Soma would be perfect Banjul is subjected to all kinds of outbreaks ranging from the mosquitoes and malaria not to mention the infestations in the gutters and being under sea level Touby has raised some pertinent points mainly associated with cost but the move could be beneficial if properly planned and implemented in a long term program. Development is happening regardless and building a new city can only help generate work and government can help subsidise anyone willing to relocate or build in the new city, It is gonna help boost the economy and create a vibrant economy.......................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 18:24:55
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MOE no problem with that, as turk is always saying, "you don't understand"
here again,yes do it for the reasons that you have stated ,BUT the biggest problem is who is going to pay,the country HAS NO MONEY,investors are not going to give their money to a country who relies an goodwill and loans to keep going,"government can help subsidise anyone willing to relocate or build in the new city, " but we have already established that the government has no money of its own its taxpayers money, I don't want to remind you that some of the groundnut farmers are still waiting to be paid for over a year. Cash is going to take the lead over promises,sorry.
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Originally posted by Moe
The advantages of relocating Banjul should be a welcomed development Touby, first of all the city is infested with Mosquitoes and filthy with substandard buildings. Banjul was the best location for the colonialist, the reason why it was chosen was for the control of the mouth of the river and the atlantic ocean, strategically it was not for the Benefit of the Nation as a whole.
The british were only after their interest for how can anyone explain a country with less than 4000 miles square, Relocating the city to a more strategic and vibrant environment such as Soma or Mansakonko I would assume would be most ideal in terms of all the aspects TURK elaborated on ranging from easy access to government offices,sustainability and governance.
Relocating the city to a more strategic location is one of the best things that can Happen in Gambia, Look Banjul was what the white man needed right at the mouth of the Atlantic for easy access, management and governance, Since Independece the focus should have been to relocate the Capital to a more startegic location, Even the Mansas that ruled Gambia, were located in the interior,starting from . It was the King of Kombos that sold Banjul to the White Man so they can transact their business and transportation was an ease, Banjul is a shipping port and should remain such, Strategically as Turk stated Soma would be perfect Banjul is subjected to all kinds of outbreaks ranging from the mosquitoes and malaria not to mention the infestations in the gutters and being under sea level Touby has raised some pertinent points mainly associated with cost but the move could be beneficial if properly planned and implemented in a long term program. Development is happening regardless and building a new city can only help generate work and government can help subsidise anyone willing to relocate or build in the new city, It is gonna help boost the economy and create a vibrant economy.......................................Peace
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Moe
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 19:00:21
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| Touby the governments role is to provide Roads and basic necessities which am assuming if they can cough out 100 million ,trust me they can also cough up triple or quadruple that if its not for rehabilitation purposes, The money can be generated and the people can and will be part of the development, Soma is as developed as any other area in Gambia 20 years ago. It cannot be hard or difficult, constraint maybe but nothing that cannot be overcome. As of present development is a continous trend despite the uncertainties with the global economy worlwide. "Where will they get the money from??" well Touby am assuming you have not driven around Gambia lately from Banjul to Sanyang everything is taken and under development or construction, what you're stating is NONSENSE we have Allah's Central Bank boys...................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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turk
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 19:08:24
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The property prices are very expensive in Banjul to Senegambia area. Property prices are much lover in east. Actually it is more expensive living in Banjul/Senegambia/S'Kunda than east. People come to west because they think there are better education and job opportunity which is not necessarily right. Some things are very good, but people are paying high prices for other things.
I am not a typical tourist toubab. I traveled up to Basse multiple times. You should go and see 'wha gwan'. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12311 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 22:16:32
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"Allah's Central Bank boys...................................................Peace"
Ah......I understand now.
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Originally posted by Moe
Touby the governments role is to provide Roads and basic necessities which am assuming if they can cough out 100 million ,trust me they can also cough up triple or quadruple that if its not for rehabilitation purposes, The money can be generated and the people can and will be part of the development, Soma is as developed as any other area in Gambia 20 years ago. It cannot be hard or difficult, constraint maybe but nothing that cannot be overcome. As of present development is a continous trend despite the uncertainties with the global economy worlwide. "Where will they get the money from??" well Touby am assuming you have not driven around Gambia lately from Banjul to Sanyang everything is taken and under development or construction, what you're stating is NONSENSE we have Allah's Central Bank boys...................................................Peace
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 22:20:08
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Thanks turk, I have been invited but Basse is a long way,although you are right I should Go, by the east I take it you mean the east of Gambia not China ,
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Originally posted by turk
The property prices are very expensive in Banjul to Senegambia area. Property prices are much lover in east. Actually it is more expensive living in Banjul/Senegambia/S'Kunda than east. People come to west because they think there are better education and job opportunity which is not necessarily right. Some things are very good, but people are paying high prices for other things.
I am not a typical tourist toubab. I traveled up to Basse multiple times. You should go and see 'wha gwan'.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 22:26:59
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| To go china you need to go west. Didn't u know all roads ends up in shanghai. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Prince
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Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 22:50:37
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Originally posted by turk
The property prices are very expensive in Banjul to Senegambia area. Property prices are much lover in east. Actually it is more expensive living in Banjul/Senegambia/S'Kunda than east. People come to west because they think there are better education and job opportunity which is not necessarily right. Some things are very good, but people are paying high prices for other things.
I am not a typical tourist toubab. I traveled up to Basse multiple times. You should go and see 'wha gwan'.
It is always fun coming back to Bantaba after stepping away for a minute. I did not realize that you guys are about to change parliament’s structure and move the capital to Soma or Basse. Keep your thoughts coming guys…
But seriously Turk, were you in Basse or Soma between the months of Feb-June? Gambia’s interior gets as hot as hell with Hamattan winds. Everyone gets cracked lips and feet… skins look like everyone is wearing croc leather. This is what made me buy residential property in the Kombos instead of the interior.
I am surprise that “Mr. Diaspora has misplaced priorities” is recommending this tune. What Gambia needs is:
Give Banjul and the whole coast a facelift,
Functioning electricity generators,
Two good roads across the country’s length,
At least two bridges linking the two banks,
Discourage gangster and mafia economics (China style).
Etc.
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turk
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3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2011 : 23:22:33
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Prince
It is always best to discuss about ideas/dreams. They may not be necessarily the best one, but it is all about exploring which brings new ideas. I am tired of Jammeh bashing. I like to focus on ideas, projects, development, economy, even small things that could make difference. I don't believe if politicians change, things will be different significantly. It is all about people.
I don't stay in Senegambia area only. When safe, I also like to go Casamance. I like going far. Yes I was in east last February. It is hot. But I did not notice crocodiles. lol. Some reason the heat does not bother me. I love it. And my skin looks even better. Maybe because only I stay in these areas max of two months. I am planning to visit Gambia within a few months, and I will be going Basse again.
You made the right choice. If you are planning to live in Gambia longer than 4-6 weeks per year, Kombo is recommended. Better infrastructure, ocean, electricity, supermarkets, entertainment etc. My favorite spot is Gunjur, Kartong area. Also, you can still make a trip to Basse. That is what I do. I drive day-trip/week-trip to places.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 03 Aug 2011 23:28:45 |
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