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Karamba
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20 Jul 2011 : 00:59:22
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During a recent visit to Nigeria, British Prime Minister David Cameron encouraged other African countries to take lessons from North Africa. Mr Cameron warned African leaders to follow the interest of people who put them in power. He see a changing Africa.
http://thestreetjournal.org/2011/07/british-pm-cameron-visits-nigeria-shuns-abuja/
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Jul 2011 : 15:31:44
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| Karamba, I really think that you should leave David Cameron alone for a bit, he has his own schoolyard problems in politics at the moment,he did cut his tour short and returned to UK and I think that giving advice to others has been put on the back burner at the moment. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 20 Jul 2011 : 16:35:56
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First of all Africans must understand following.
No country want Africa's situation gets better in the name of love. UK is a former colonial power. If there are interests they can help, if there is their interest UK may support specific group to destabilize Africa and they can undermine Africa.
There was this movie I was watching and even some NGO is there for political influence. Ethiopia is known for socialist movements and basically there was influence war by UK and Soviet Union and UK was basically saying if you do this, forget about aid. Most IMF programs are politically motivated and has strings attached.
Africans must understand they are their best friends. They need to learn not to rely on others. If you need to stand up, do it your own.
Unfortunately there are still people who are willing to kiss the majesty. This kind of mentality does not help Africa.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 20 Jul 2011 : 18:41:21
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| turk you talk a load of rubbish sometimes,if it wasn't for compassionate people from Europe,many millions of Africans would have died from starvation and illness because they are just are incapable of managing tor themselves ,unless you posted this nonsense because you suffer from ADD or ADHD. and no I wont clarify.and no I wont answer questions about what I mean engage YOUR brain for once instead of relying on being told what to write by your employer |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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turk
USA
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Posted - 20 Jul 2011 : 21:19:26
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millions of Africans would have died from starvation and illness because they are just are incapable of managing tor themselves
I have been all saying, inability of Gambians of establishing good statehood is due to social and economic obstacles and having many economic and social challenges.
But your criticism of African would starve and die from disease little bid too harsh and extreme. They are survivor despite everything against them. And if NGOs are there with your perspective, they may provide some material for help, but they destroy the soul, confidence of African which is not that good. I disagree with you about they are incapable. I think they are capable they are just behind and many challenges, social and economic realities to overcome. They have a lots of strengths and skills to survive. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 00:44:14
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"They have a lots of strengths and skills to survive." Of course they do but without food and medical aid they will die will other Africans give food and medicine and doctors ? they cannot because they are all in the same situation relying on help from compassionate human beings a lot of which come from Europe
"And you ara making big deal of the former colonial masters' help to Africa". which most Africans have ignored preferring the old ways resulting in illness and starvation,which country has given £23 million to Somalia this year ? Turkey has given how much to Somalia this year turk ? UK has given £23 million,come out of your virtual world into the real world of Africa today a place where people are dying through lack of food and medical help.
"But your criticism of African would starve and die from disease little bid too harsh and extreme." just two words turk Somalia famine.
Stop playing with all this political talk look at reality and at least try to do something constructive.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 02:18:39
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Touby. Like I said. You have very shallow world view and you expect everyone to be like you. I don't have to be shallow and to ignore the historical and political facts. Sorry, I am not you. I like to analyse issue with detail. I don't care being constructive or destructive. I provide my opinion and that is whatever I think. I believe my words are encouraging African not rely on others. At the same time, you are the one providing destructive argument. What you are saying is Africans are complete savages, without the compassionate help from Europe, they are going to starve and die from diseases. Is that constructive? That was the mojo when British empire came Africa to 'civilize' (actually to colonize) Africa. British had no compassion before and they have no compassion now about others. No nation have any compassion on other nations. Turkey did not give Somalia 23 million, probably they did not have interests to do so. Turkey is providing military assistance to Gambia, probably for something exchange from Gambia. International politics is based on the interests. It is not about compassion. I respect some of the individuals are doing Africa and that is very good. But we are talking about international politics. 23 Million peanut money is guilt money. So, shallow minded people like yourself feel good about themselves.
What has anything Turkey to do with Somalia. What is the point? Why would you bring turkey with this? UK has given 23 Million which is nothing compare to their 500 years of stealing, slavery and colonization. Somalia is former colony of Brits and Italy. Many problems in Africa today is due to the colonial times, particularly British and French Empire. That is the fact. It is not virtual world I am talking about it is the reality what happened whether you deny it or not, the situation is Africa has a lot to do with colonialism. 23 Million is nothing to remove the guilt from British empire. Most foreign aid British Empire provide has strings attached like international political support from the country they are helping. They are helping for their interests. Perhaps these countries could vote favorable for the specific issues in UN assembly.
Touby don't you know Nothing is free and there is no such thing as free money!
This is the best constructive advise to Africa: Do not rely on others. You must not be used to be given. Nothing is given free in this world. Stand up and take what you want. No one has compassion for you. You are your own. You need to be able to stand and do not trust no one other than yourself in international politics.
I am not endorsing the following articles. But I just want you to understand the existence of relationship between foreign aid and vote buying using aid of wealthy nations to get support from the countries of under developed countries. It is like bribe. Your 23 Million aid probably is for a favor for the British Empire. Touby wake up. Stop being shallow minded. Look at the issues from different angle. Your simple and narrow minded methods do not work. This is not a kindergarten talk. Grow up.
Vote Buying as a Determinant of Foreign Aid - Evidence
Vote buying in the un security council
Vote buying in the general assembly |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Jul 2011 : 10:28:05
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Turk,your phrase,"This is not a kindergarten talk" sums up the whle of your posting in that you are unable to deal with the facts presented to you but swan off into a world of international political jargon and ideas,I pointed out to you that somalia has been designated as a famine zone and that UK has donated £23 million to assist starving and ill people from that African country,what was your response "Turkey did not give Somalia 23 million, probably they did not have interests to do so. Turkey is providing military assistance to Gambia" From that statement alone I think that you have formed the idea that instead of trying to save and improve life,you go with the idea of military assistance.
However,political under the table deals go on in relation to vote buying of that I have no doubt.Greed and self interest is endemic in ALL politics and politicians who when they make "mistakes",go to the back up plan, never mind the taxpayer will pay just tax them more !!
" At the same time, you are the one providing destructive argument. What you are saying is Africans are complete savages, without the compassionate help from Europe, they are going to starve and die from diseases. Is that constructive?
Of course its constructive,however I have never used the works "Africans are complete savages" what I wrote was that they cannot manage themselves,I believe that and the state of MOST countries in Africa proves my point,so stop this philosophical political banta,where those who do not understand the stuff you write nod their heads in agreement,you are a clever fellow, no doubt about that but your talents would be better employeed in doing good instead of spreading desponency |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 00:14:46
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| Cameron needs to solve his own problems with nepotism and corruption, press intrusion .financial mismanagement before he starts preaching to African leaders about how to govern their countries. After all wasn't that the reason why his visit to South Africa on Monday was prematurely cut short. Africans are able to build their countries , if foreign leaders really want to assist Africa then they can stop selling Africa arms, and relax export trade tariffs. Africa doesn't need lectures from Cameron. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 00:32:26
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Sister O you are correct,but the man is having a hard time at the moment,but his tour was probably arranged long ago,so what should he do, say, "sorry chips I can't come yet, a bit of a problem with the newspapers at the moment" or go and when the wheel really came off cut short his trip,which is what he chose to do,the unfortunate thing about all this is that if the previous labour administration had done a proper job instead of carrying on as before this current problem need not have occoured, I am looking forward to the e mails that are in the possesion of Harbottle & Lewis a firm of solicitors (they just had to be didn't they  only the English could dream up such a company name ) which were employed by the NOTW and kept under wraps for 4 years,still lots of mileage in this yet.
(Oh yes, the EURO, what's happening about that ?  )
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
Cameron needs to solve his own problems with nepotism and corruption, press intrusion .financial mismanagement before he starts preaching to African leaders about how to govern their countries. After all wasn't that the reason why his visit to South Africa on Monday was prematurely cut short. Africans are able to build their countries , if foreign leaders really want to assist Africa then they can stop selling Africa arms, and relax export trade tariffs. Africa doesn't need lectures from Cameron.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 01:15:51
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Touby
Listen to the woman and learn something. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 08:56:43
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Guys, take a moment please. Don't get too clouded by....whatever! Prime minister Cameron warning that African leaders must fight for the interest of their own people goes beyond reasonable and correct. It is prophetic. No matter history, no matter his political gabbage, no matter his associations, ...... no matter what.
Turk, told you this before, you need to learn a little about pragmatism. You dont need to like this so called colonialists. You dont have to be friends with them. You are condemned to work with them for the rest of your life if indeed you are blogging Bantaba on planet earth. You behave like Yaya Jammeh! ....... :) |
Tesito
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 10:39:17
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Senegambia,Thanks, common sense prevails at last,I really like your term "political gabbage" ,a new topic for bantaba ?, No please it will never finish !!!
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Originally posted by Senegambia
Guys, take a moment please. Don't get too clouded by....whatever! Prime minister Cameron warning that African leaders must fight for the interest of their own people goes beyond reasonable and correct. It is prophetic. No matter history, no matter his political gabbage, no matter his associations, ...... no matter what.
Turk, told you this before, you need to learn a little about pragmatism. You dont need to like this so called colonialists. You dont have to be friends with them. You are condemned to work with them for the rest of your life if indeed you are blogging Bantaba on planet earth. You behave like Yaya Jammeh! ....... :)
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 10:46:07
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turk, its not an ideal world, it is riddled with corruption,nepotism,greed,"political garbage" (a new term ) and all manner of bad things.the world is not paradise,its a mess,that's why most religions exist to give hope that when we die we will go to a far far better place where everything is ideal.
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Touby
Listen to the woman and learn something.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Senegambia
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Posted - 22 Jul 2011 : 11:00:48
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| Toubab, hehe, ok, lets say the term "political garbage" is my own little contribution to Bantaba :-) But I will be surprised if heavyweights like Moe, Kobo and even Turk never used the term before. You never seem to go out of humor, so thanks :-) |
Tesito
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