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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 01:21:24
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[quote]Originally posted by kisley
If a woman is raped, why must there be 4 male witnesses. Witness to what? Witness to the rape? or a witnesses who can vouch for her good character perhaps???
Would someone care to explain
Thanks
Am not sure whether such is the case? Rape is a despicable heinous act!
Useful links from scholars on;
Sharia
Islam's Stance on Women's Testimony
Examples of Rape and Islamic Rulings from these cases;
Qatif girl rape case
Imrana rape case |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 06:52:57
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Contrary to common stereotype that Muslims are weird,dangerous, 'not so modern', terrorist. We are actually normal humans. We worry about bills, our children, getting married, education, music, career, friendship. We don't usually look for one year old to sexually abuse, try to bomb something.... We are normal. There are 1.6 Billion Muslims in the world from Bosnia to China, from Nigeria, to Fiji.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 10:32:53
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TURK THANKS FOR THESE EXCELLENT VIDEOS! ESPECIALLY "Muslim women are oppressed???....Are you serious????" SUMMARISED AND TACKLED ALL THE MAIN ISSUES FOR SNUGGELS 
However am trying to help Kisley on the questions and comments. Therefore left with one more task, which follows later; to dispel the fear, prejudices and propaganda against Islam/Muslim aftermath 9/11! The best way to combat this fear and prejudice is through learning and listening |
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snuggels
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 11:16:30
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Moe
My thread doesn’t make me a racist like any thread is to get the views and thoughts of other bantaba members It might be controversial but that does not make you a racist but if that your view which you are entitled so be it
However my son and sister in-laws 1 from Malta and 1 from Ireland and 1 from Malaysia also my 2 son in-laws 1 From Gambia and 1 black American would disagree
My view is because Turk would not respond to the main article but just kept coming back with different questions and attacking and insulting and making false accusations of being a paedophile one could view that as being racist But because I don’t know the guy who am I to say he is a Racist
I also think Turks view of how the AVERAGE person views Muslims is wrong if that’s what he thinks again so be it I really really don’t have a problem with it
Finaly Thanks Turk for the videos very intresting and informative
thats what we need |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 14:03:33
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.... insulting and making false accusations of being a paedophile one could view that as being racist But because I don’t know the guy who am I to say he is a Racist
Snuggles
If you don't get the point of 'your being pedophile' as implying of your original question, there is nothing I can do. Like I said, you are not smart person to understand what is said. My questioning you was hypothetical and sarcasm. I did not say you are pedophile. My expecting you to respond the charges of being pedophile just because of your profile is as silly as your original question and expecting a response. Don't you get it.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Jul 2011 : 14:10:41
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[quote]Originally posted by kisley
I read (obviously not sure if it is true), that Mohammad had a vision of hell where he observed "the majority of its dwellers were women"
YES according to narrations there are interesting stories and versions varies, if you click on Table of Contents from "The Miraculous Journey or Night of Ascension - Al-Miraj"
Another member has already asked what awaits women when they enter heaven, and having time on my hands, I searched on the internet, but unfortunately there is little information on this subject and if there is it is very vague.
Before I refer you to this very useful link on "Women's reward in Paradise in Islam",I would like to comment that WOMEN ARE BEING INSPIRED IN ISLAM BY "THE BIG FOUR"; NAMELY 1. Asiyah wife of Fir'aun - Pharaoh's wife , 2. Miryam: The Daughter of Imrân - Mother of Prophet Essa or Jesus 3. Khadija Daughter of Khuwailid - Prophet Muhamed's wife (M.P.U.T) 4. Fatima Daughter of Muhammad
MORE FROM THESE;
1-WIP
2-WIP
3-WIP
4-WIP
5. The Great Women of Islam
6. Great Women of Islam (part one: Khadija bint Khuwaylid)
7. Great Women of Islam - First Woman to marry Prophet after Death of first wife Khadija
8. Great Women In Islam-Fatimah, Daughter of the Prophet Muhammad
9.Great Women of Islam
10. Status of Women in Islam
ALSO THE SPECIAL ONE, CONSIDERED "MOTHER OF ALL BELIEVERS OF HOLY PROPHET" AND AMONGST 11. Great Women in Islam-Aisha bint Abu Bakr
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action." Last Sermon of Holy Prophet Muhamad (M.P.U.H)
MORE 12. Women in Islam
13. WOMEN CHAMPIONS OF HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD
ALLAH IS BEST JUDGE AND MOST MERCIFUL! "WA SALAAM" PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL!
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 00:00:59
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Turk
No I don’t get it I do not accept your continuing rudeness your insults and also your paedophile insinuations as sarcasm
NO I DONT GET IT
Snuggles
If you don't get the point of 'your being pedophile' as implying of your original question, there is nothing I can do. Like I said, you are not smart person to understand what is said. My questioning you was hypothetical and sarcasm. I did not say you are pedophile. My expecting you to respond the charges of being pedophile just because of your profile is as silly as your original question and expecting a response. Don't you get it.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 02:55:49
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Snuggles
We have an agreement. You don't get it. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 09:10:25
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kisley
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 10:58:12
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Thanks kobo, that was really kind of you to find those links and post them for me, much appreciated. I have scanned through some of them, but at work at the moment, unfortunately.
Day off tomorrow, so I will be able to read and digest the links properly....which may lead to more questions |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 11:42:18
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Kisley
I think the best way to learn about different religion and culture, actually, is to hang out with those who are from different religion and culture. I found Buddhism to be very cool religion. One of my co-worker is Chinese Buddhist from India. Imagine, Chinese speaking English with Indian accent. I found him to be very peaceful, relax and calm. I think eastern religions are more about spirituality between individual self and God than Judea-Christian-Islamic which are more about the rule about daily life and control. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 11:46:45
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Originally posted by kobo
TURK THANKS FOR THESE EXCELLENT VIDEOS! ESPECIALLY "Muslim women are oppressed???....Are you serious????" SUMMARISED AND TACKLED ALL THE MAIN ISSUES FOR SNUGGELS
However am trying to help Kisley on the questions and comments. Therefore left with one more task, which follows later; to dispel the fear, prejudices and propaganda against Islam/Muslim aftermath 9/11! The best way to combat this fear and prejudice is through learning and listening
Kobo
There are so much negativity about Muslims. As Muslims we need to show others that we are actually happy being Muslim and but our religion is not everything about us. We do like arts, music, travelling, socializing with other non-Muslims as well. We are all representatives of our community, ummet-is Islam. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kisley
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 12:19:46
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Kisley
I think the best way to learn about different religion and culture, actually, is to hang out with those who are from different religion and culture.
Turk,
I hear what you are saying, but unfortunately I live in a predominantly white working class area. The only time I ever have any cultural experience is when I order a meal from my local chinese/indian take away.
Thats why I love to travel..not to relax and take in the sun's rays, but to try and immerse myself in other people's cultures; so interesting. I am so envious of people like yourself, and Snuggles who are obviously well travelled. Hopefully my lottery numbers will come up tonight |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 12:47:20
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Kisley
I can understand. That is the feeling I got when I go to work everyday. At least I am lucky, I have some Chinese/Indian nerds in IT field. That is exactly what I understand from travelling. But keep in mind, travelling does not have to be expensive. If you have little planning for a long-break. It can be relatively cheap to live in a country i.e. three months. Long ago, I paid only about 50 dollars per month in a room with compound in Africa. It was fun. Gambia is a good option for you to learn Islam if you are really interested in. Obviously, tourists do not have much opportunity, but there are some very good scholars in Gambia. I know one guy who studied Islam in Egypt and Saudi Arabia graduate level. In fact, I was in his family home, I have seen more books than mine (and I thought I have big collection). His poor home has huge library of Islamic books and he is an high ranking government official involving Islamic affairs.
I can also recommend Turkey. Turkey has long tradition of Sufi (Whirling Derwishes) which is very liberal/moderate perspective on Islam with more spirituality focus. Non-touristic areas like central anatolia or black-sea region you may find people are more conservative and they are eager to socialize with tourists. See, there are many options. lol.
And come on, England is one of the most diverse country in the world. I am sure you can find people from different cultural groups to socialize.
Unfortunately, tourists do get friends from Gambians but most of them people met on the beach, bumpsters or people hanging out in tourists areas. It takes little extra effort to meet people like the one I was talking about. In one or two weeks vacation, you will not have friends like them. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 14:02:37
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[quote]Originally posted by kisley
Thanks kobo, that was really kind of you to find those links and post them for me, much appreciated. I have scanned through some of them, but at work at the moment, unfortunately.
Day off tomorrow, so I will be able to read and digest the links properly....which may lead to more questions
YOU ARE MOST WELCOME!
MY FAVOURITE WITH ALL AUTHORITATIVE QUOTES AND INTERPRETATIONS FROM HOLY QURAN AND "HADITHS" (PREACHINGS OF HOLY PROHET MUHAMMAD (M.P.U.H) IS UNDER 10. Status of Women in Islam
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