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toubab1020



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Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  11:52:36  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
turk,Denbis and snuggles do have vaild points in relation to your postings on this topic which you have failed to address preferring to bounce back with another question,you may remember that I wrote earlier that it would be far better to wait for a Muslim scholar to clarify matters raised in snuggles original post,that is still my view.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Edited by - toubab1020 on 14 Jul 2011 11:53:07
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  14:18:02  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
toubay - No they don't. What is this? Inquisition? Do you expect someone to come and say: Look snuggles, 1.6 Billion people are not pedophile, we don't have sex with one year old baby. Is that what you expect. F.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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toubab1020



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Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  15:10:57  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
turk, there you go again blustering,because you are not a scholar,lets wait and get a response to the original posting from someone who knows, not me and not you.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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snuggels

960 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  15:21:17  Show Profile
Still no responce turk
quote:
Originally posted by snuggels

Turk
I have not stated im the author of the above
What i stated was where it came from

"This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.

Joys of Muslim Women
By Nonie Darwish"

Kisley has clarified. It goes on to say It is to a large extent accurate

""Analysis: Despite the attribution at the top — "Joys of Muslim Women by Nonie Darwish" — this text wasn't written by Nonie Darwish; indeed, the bottom two-thirds of it refer to her repeatedly in the third person. Darwish confirmed via email that she did not write the article, though it is, in her words, "to a large extent accurate." She said her 2009 book, Cruel and Usual Punishment, better represents her views.

You have niether responded to anything in the thread or my responce to your criticism of the thread which are still valid along with my views which you also fail to address which is your prerogative



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turk



USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  17:12:05  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Snuggles

I have two words for you.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 14 Jul 2011 17:15:10
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  17:14:56  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Grow up.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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snuggels

960 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  17:21:08  Show Profile
Turk
I think bantaba readers can draw thier own conclusions why you wont reply.


Edited by - snuggels on 14 Jul 2011 17:24:19
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  17:26:47  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by toubab1020

turk, there you go again blustering,because you are not a scholar,lets wait and get a response to the original posting from someone who knows, not me and not you.



Toubab. You are pedophile. Now respond. Oh, maybe we need scholar to verify whether that is true or not. I am expecting your responses.

Here is a study about pedophile cases in Gambia.

A Study of Child Sex Tourism in The Gambia
and the Involvement of Dutch Tourists.
January 2003


quote:
Profile of those involved - Tourists
When asked about who was involved in the abuse of children there were varying responses -
some interviewees saw only males tourists as the offending group, some saw women and some
saw both men and women. In all of the interviews we clarified that our focus was on children i.e.
young people under the age of 18 as defined in the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.
Older female tourists are often seen with younger Gambian men, but in the majority of instances it
was felt that the young men were over the age of 18 and fell outside of the focus of this research.
So, when the clarification of age for a child was used there was a high level of agreement that the
main offending group involved in child sex tourism were European males over the age of 45.
What nationalities and types of tourists are involved? When asked this question the following
nationalities were cited: Dutch, British, Swedish, Norwegian, Belgium, German, Danish, French,
Italian and East European. It would be expected, given the large numbers of Scandinavians, British
and Dutch who come to The Gambia as tourists, that some nationals from those groups might be
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cited as abusers. However, there are no direct flights from Italy, France, Germany, or from Eastern
Europe (although Russia is planning to send flights in the next tourist season). One explanation
might be that for some Gambians there is a difficulty in making distinctions between the different
European nationalities.
Another explanation is that nationals from the countries without direct tourist flights are in Gambia
not as tourists but as businessmen. When we brought this distinction to the attention of the
interviewees it was then possible to group men who were seen as abusers of children as men
who:
- are tourists or repeat tourists,
- come on short business trips
- are in business and resident in the country
- are retired and living full time in The Gambia



Now both toubab and snuggles. You are British. You are a regular visitor. You are white. You are older than 45. So respond. Or should we need scholars to decide whether you are pedophile or not. I mean study does not say about Muslims being pedophile. Study links that to European tourists.

Snuggle's rubish making such generalization about Muslims. It is as unfair as making such generalization about Europeans fitting that profile and expect a response. I mean both of snuggles and toubab do not have much intellectual ability to understand the terms of proper debate on issues and decency. So defend yourself. Are whites pedophile?


diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 14 Jul 2011 17:29:59
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  17:31:45  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by snuggels

Turk
I think bantaba readers can draw thier own conclusions why you wont reply.





Snuggles. I am not impressed with neither your intellectual ability, nor your language skills. Very ignorant. Not much sophisticated fella. I have no clue why anyone engaged with your any discussion. Anyway, I have my conclusion is that you are not coming here to have a sincere debate. That is my conclusion about you.

One would assume that, you mentioned that sex is good. You are going Gambia as a single man, regular visitor. Over 45. It is assumed on this report that Europeans do go there and use their status and financial power to abuse. So, if one makes some statement with the generalization. As a white person, you need to defend yourself. Respond. Are you and whites are in general more pedophile than other races? Waiting for your response.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 14 Jul 2011 17:37:43
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toubab1020



12306 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  17:40:30  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Well, turk,need I say more about you ? MOST bantaba readers will make up their own minds.

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Edited by - toubab1020 on 14 Jul 2011 17:40:52
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  17:46:45  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Toubab

Why don't you just respond the question. "Are whites more likely to be pedophile?". I am waiting.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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snuggels

960 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  18:35:33  Show Profile
Turk
As I previously stated Im not a religious person and know little about Islam and find the western religons all doom and gloom
For me the one spiritual uplifting religon is the Gospel church which I been to many timers when I have visited variouse countries around the world and in the UK

You are right yes you can go on debating this till the end of time but come on Turk forget all the insults and slagging of and agree the one thing that I can’t see as right in Islam is killing in the name of Allah and child brides.
There are many points one could argue about in Islam that have no place in this modern world
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turk



USA
3356 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  18:46:27  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
Answer my question. As you fit the description in the study, respond that 'over 45', 'men from UK', 'regular visitor', 'single' are most likely pedophile or not. Since you are described in this group, respond. Why aren't you responding? Does that offend you?

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.
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turk



USA
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Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  18:49:44  Show Profile  Visit turk's Homepage Send turk a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by snuggels

Turk
As I previously stated Im not a religious person and know little about Islam and find the western religons all doom and gloom
For me the one spiritual uplifting religon is the Gospel church which I been to many timers when I have visited variouse countries around the world and in the UK

You are right yes you can go on debating this till the end of time but come on Turk forget all the insults and slagging of and agree the one thing that I can’t see as right in Islam is killing in the name of Allah and child brides.
There are many points one could argue about in Islam that have no place in this modern world




Modern world. But your modern world, western world did not prevent the pedophile cases. There must be something wrong with the modern world as well. After all, last time I checked, most pedophile cases was happening in Canada, for example, native americans are subject to abuse by priest, and last time I checked they were not Muslims. And most pedophile cases of sex tourism in Gambia are done by 'western tourist' and last time I checked you are coming from the 'modern' world.

I am looking forward to read your response.

Sorry, I am not buying this modern world. And I found that it is a BS. Your wealthy and rich, modern society has as much as and in some cases more problem than poor, traditional Muslim society, Gambia. I can see many strengths in Muslim/Traditional/Not-so-modern Gambian society over so-called modern-western-society.

diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.

Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices.

Edited by - turk on 14 Jul 2011 18:57:53
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kobo



United Kingdom
7765 Posts

Posted - 14 Jul 2011 :  19:01:30  Show Profile Send kobo a Private Message
SnuggelS. "KILLING IN THE NAME OF ALLAH" AND "CHILD BRIDES" ARE NOT PART OF ISLAM

I CONSIDER THEM AS WESTERN PROPAGANDA TO DAMAGE ISLAM; POLITICAL ISSUES AND MISCONCEPTIONS ON ISLAM! SO PLEASE DESCRIBE THESE ACTS FOR ME OR SUBSTANTIATE TO GET YOUR POINT

Edited by - kobo on 14 Jul 2011 19:34:08
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