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Screensize: 640 x 480 800 x 600 1024 x 768 1280 x 1024 UserName: Password: Format Mode: Basic  Help  Prompt  Format: Videos: Font Andale Mono Arial Arial Black Book Antiqua Century Gothic Comic Sans MS Courier New Georgia Impact Lucida Console Script MT Bold Stencil Tahoma Times New Roman Trebuchet MS Verdana   Size 1 2 3 4 5 6   Color Black Red Yellow Pink Green Orange Purple Blue Beige Brown Teal Navy Maroon LimeGreen Message: * HTML is OFF * Forum Code is ON Smilies [quote][i]Originally posted by Momodou[/i] [br] GAMBIA-L Digest 95 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) new member by "Gassamaba omar" <kassama@hotmail.com> 2) mobutus gold in Gambia ( atranslated newpaper report) by "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com> 3) (Fwd) Maladmnistration by chakys@image.dk 4) Color again.. by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 5) Re: mobutus gold in Gambia ( atranslated newpaper report) by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 6) Re: new member by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 7) Re: mobutus gold in Gambia ( atranslated newpaper report) by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 8) Re: Tragic death of a Gambian lady by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> 9) Fwd: Distance Learning Initiative in Ghana by Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> 10) Re: orbituary by KTouray@aol.com 11) Re: Color again.. by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 12) Brief introduction by "fafanding fatajo" <ffatajo@hotmail.com> 13) Brief introduction by "fafanding fatajo" <ffatajo@hotmail.com> 14) Re: orbituary by msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) 15) Re: orbituary by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 16) Inquiry About Membership To The List by BAKSAWA@aol.com 17) The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 18) Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate by Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu> 19) Re: Color again.. by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 20) Re: Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 21) Re: Color again.. by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 22) Fwd: Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 23) Fwd: Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 24) New members by "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> 25) Re: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by M W Payne <awo@mindspring.com> 26) Ditah( KESEMBEBAA) by Sompo.Sinyan@udac.se (Sompo Sinyan) 27) Re: orbituary by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> 28) Re: orbituary by msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) 29) Re: orbituary by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 30) Re: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 31) New members by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 32) by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> 33) Re: Fwd: Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 34) Re: Ditah( KESEMBEBAA) by "D. Singhateh" <dawdas@u.washington.edu> 35) Re: color trouble.. by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 36) Re: Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate -Reply by Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu> 37) appology by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> 38) Re: 50 Dalasi Notes On The Offer by SAMBA NJIE <snjie@gis.net> 39) Hypocrisy or Ignorance...... by lamin marenah <keita@rocketmail.com> 40) Obituary by SANG1220@aol.com 41) Re: Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate -Reply by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 42) FW: Life Insurance (fwd) by Compaq Customer <seela@oz.net> 43) Re: Ditah( KESEMBEBAA)APPOLOGY by Sompo.Sinyan@udac.se (Sompo Sinyan) 44) RE: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no 45) RE: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no 46) RE: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by Abdoulie Dibba <adibba@online.no> 47) RE: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no 48) I ask for a one break. by Said Quamar <Said.Quamar@Aviaplan.no> 49) Another act of terror by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 50) RE: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? by chakys@image.dk 51) When Intellectuals argue.... by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 52) Coups and even more Coups by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 53) Observer Online Update...anyone? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 54) What was Bill thinking? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 55) Re: Observer Online Update...anyone? by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 56) New member by momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) 57) Re- quote of the day by Gunjur@aol.com 58) Re: orbituary by Mamadou S Jallow <bala@algonet.se> 59) Re-tragic death of= burial arrangements by Gunjur@aol.com 60) Re: What was Bill thinking? by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 61) Re: Jainaba's NASTY& STINKY attitude!!! by Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu> 62) Kuntaur Fullah kunda by Gunjur@aol.com 63) wrong route by Gunjur@aol.com 64) My take.......... by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 65) Re: Obituary by BAKSAWA@aol.com 66) My take as per private postings...... by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 67) Re: Re-tragic death of= burial arrangements by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 68) Re: Obituary by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 69) Re:Introduction by "EBRIMA JOBE" <jebrima@hotmail.com> 70) Color by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 71) Re: Another act of terror by MJagana@aol.com 72) Re: Another act of terror by Ousman Gajigo <gajigoo@wabash.edu> 73) Re: Hypocrisy or Ignorance...... by MJagana@aol.com 74) Re: When Intellectuals argue.... by badjie karafa sw <badjiek@unixg.ubc.ca> 75) Re: My take.......... by "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no> 76) The slave house in Jangjanbureh (Georgetown) by "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> 77) Re: My take.......... by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 78) new member by Fafa Sanyang <fsanyang@is2.dal.ca> 79) RE: Re-tragic death of= burial arrangements by Ceesay Soffie <Ceesay_Soffie@prc.com> 80) Re: Another act of terror by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 81) Re: Kuntaur Fullah kunda by Adama Cham <A.Cham@reading.ac.uk> 82) RE: White sports in White America.... by amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no 83) Re: Kuntaur Fullah kunda by globexinc@erols.com 84) Re: Another act of terror by globexinc@erols.com 85) Help...anyone? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 86) Re: Hypocrisy or Ignorance...... by globexinc@erols.com 87) Re: Another act of terror by globexinc@erols.com 88) Re: Obituary by globexinc@erols.com 89) Re: Help...anyone? by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 90) Re: Obituary by globexinc@erols.com 91) Re: When Intellectuals argue.... by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 92) Re: When Intellectuals argue.... by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 93) cab drivers's murder by globexinc@erols.com 94) Had enough of Jai Diallo! by Gunjur@aol.com 95) Re: Color by Gunjur@aol.com 96) Re: Color by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 97) Slavehouse at Janjangbureh by Gunjur@aol.com 98) Subscription by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 99) Liberia on the US by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 100) The Value of Time (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 101) Re: The Value of Time (fwd) by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 102) Re: Subscription by Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM> 103) Re: My take.......... by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 104) Re: Subscription by Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM> 105) Re: new member by Sarian Loum <Sarian.Loum@Corp.Sun.COM> 106) RE: Color by Keretha Cash <kcash@RBVDNR.com> 107) by nahak@juno.com (Michael J Gomez) 108) Re: When Intellectuals argue.... -Reply by Sukai Gaye <sg125909@gwmail.kysu.edu> 109) Had enough of Jai Diallo! -Reply by Sukai Gaye <sg125909@gwmail.kysu.edu> 110) Re: Color by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 111) Re: Color by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 112) Re: My take.......... by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 113) RE: White sports in White America.... by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 114) Re: Liberia on the US by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 115) Re: color trouble.. by M W Payne <awo@mindspring.com> 116) suggestion by KTouray@aol.com 117) Re: color trouble.. by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 118) Re:tragic death - Cash Reward by MJawara@aol.com 119) Help! by amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no 120) 1993 Census by "Heidi Skramstad" <heidis@amadeus.cmi.no> 121) Re: color trouble.. by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 122) Subscription of New Member by S Njie <S.Njie@commonwealth.int> 123) Re: color trouble.. by Tamsir Mbai <mba4224@etbu.edu> 124) Re: Subscription of New Member by "Momodou Camara" <nijii@hotmail.com> 125) by nahak@juno.com (Michael J Gomez) 126) Re: color trouble.. by "pmj@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 127) New Member by "Gassamaba omar" <kassama@hotmail.com> 128) Re: suggestion by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 129) Re: tragic death - Cash Reward by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 130) Re: 1993 Census by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 131) Re: lets' do it by fatima phall <fphall1@gl.umbc.edu> 132) Re: lets' do it by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 133) Re: by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> 134) Re: lets' do it by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 135) Re: lets' do it by "N'Deye Marie N'Jie" <njie.1@osu.edu> 136) Re: color trouble.. by "NJAGA JAGNE" <jagnen25@hotmail.com> 137) Re: lets' do it by msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) 138) Education Committee Progress report by msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) 139) Re: Subscription of New Member by "D. Singhateh" <dawdas@u.washington.edu> 140) Stop Subscription by "Alieu Jobe" <Tokunor@worldnet.att.net> 141) Re: Subscription of New Member by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 142) Waiting to exhale.....NOT!!!! by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 143) Re: Another act of terror by MJagana@aol.com 144) Re: Another act of terror by MJagana@aol.com 145) Re: suggestion by KTouray@aol.com 146) Re: Another act of terror by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 147) RE : COLOUR TROUBLE by amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no 148) RE: Another act of terror by amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no 149) Re: Subscription of New Member by "D. Singhateh" <dawdas@u.washington.edu> 150) Color Debate by Laura Munzel <lem10@columbia.edu> 151) Setting up foundation. by Gunjur@aol.com 152) Lif insurance etc. by Gunjur@aol.com 153) Junius' words by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 154) Re: color trouble.. by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 155) Re: Junius' words by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 156) Re: Junius' words by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 157) Humor: Several for the weekend by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 158) Re: FYI by Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> 159) Re: lets' do it by globexinc@erols.com 160) Re: lets' do it by globexinc@erols.com 161) Re: Another act of terror by globexinc@erols.com 162) Re: suggestion by globexinc@erols.com 163) Re: Another act of terror by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 164) Re: Another act of terror by globexinc@erols.com 165) Re: Setting up foundation. by globexinc@erols.com 166) Re: Lif insurance etc. by globexinc@erols.com 167) Re subscription by "BOJANG,BUBA" <BBOJANG@MUSIC.TRANSY.EDU> 168) Re: Junius' words by Tamsir Mbai <mba4224@etbu.edu> 169) Re: Junius' words by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 170) Re: Junius' words by "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 171) Another brother is down..... by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 172) Re: Waiting to exhale.....NOT!!!! by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 173) "Operation Dirty Trick" by MOMODOU BUHARRY GASSAMA <m.gassama@swipnet.se> 174) It's the economy, Narr by "jgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 175) Re: Waiting to exhale.....NOT!!!! by "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> 176) Re: Another brother is down..... by Habib Ghanim <hghanim@erols.com> 177) Re: lets' do it by "Amadou L. Fall" <jambaar@enter.net> 178) Re: Another brother is down..... by chakys@image.dk 179) Re: Waiting to exhale.....NOT!!!! by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 180) Re: Waiting to exhale.....NOT!!!! by mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) 181) Re: Waiting to exhale.....NOT!!!! by "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> 182) Fwd: Subscription by MJagana@aol.com 183) Re: Waiting to exhale.....NOT!!!! by "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> 184) Re:Number for Habib by KTouray@aol.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 00:52:02 PST From: "Gassamaba omar" <kassama@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: new member Message-ID: <19971116085203.15268.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Dear list managers, Could anyone add Brother Alkali Bah to Gambia-L <alkali_bah@hotmail.com>. alabaraka WAS SALAAM gassama ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:19:32 PST From: "Jobst Münderlein" <joppl@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: mobutus gold in Gambia ( atranslated newpaper report) Message-ID: <19971116121933.15489.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Hello everybody, I found this article in a big German newspaper. I translated it for everyone and I wonder if this news has spread around the world. What do you think of it? (Frankfurter Rundschau, Mittwoch den 12.11.1997, S. 2) Mobutus Gold in Gambia? Bonn (afp). Reporter des ZDF-MAgazins „Kennzeichen D“ haben nach Angaben der Redaktion im westafrikanischen Gambia einen Teil des Goldschatzes des früheren zairischen Diktators Mobutu Sese Seko aufgespürt. Mindestens sechs Tonnen Gold in einem Gesamtwert von 90 Millionen US-Dollar lägen in Gambia, erklärte die Redaktion am Dienstag. Den Angaben zufolge soll der Goldschatz, der insgesamt 100 Tonnen umfaßte, 1994 aus Zaire nach Gambia gebracht worden sein. Translation: Mobutus gold in The Gambia? Bonn (afp). Reporters of the German TV-magazin „Kennzeichen D“ (public channel ZDF) have detected a part of the gold treasure of former dictator from Zaire Mobutu Sese Seko in westafrican Gambia according to the editorial office. At least six tons worth 90 Million US Dollar are in the Gambia the editors declared on Tuesday. According to their release the gold treasure, that is amounts to 100 tons, was brought to the Gambia in 1994 from Zaire. (Frankfurter Rundschau, Wednesday, 12.11.1997, p. 2) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:43:35 +0200 From: chakys@image.dk To: "GAMBIA-L. The Gambia and Related Issues Maling List"<gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: (Fwd) Maladmnistration Message-ID: <199711161243.NAA02987@mail.image.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Forwarded message: From: Self <Single-user mode> To: gambian-@u.washington.edu Subject: Maladmnistration Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 12:44:00 +0200 Hello to the L-ers, I hope the list doesn't mind a step backward to deal again with our leaders maladroit management. I got some statistics from UD & SE (DSB bladet) a danish national railway' periodical magazine p.66 which took the information in Jyllandsposten (a daily newspaper) and L'Thetavenement du jeudi (french newspaper). The article is about african dictatorship leaders money abroad. The standpoint is the african charity begins abroad. Of course who keeps longer his power , get richer: Felix Houphoudeltat Boigny got 4o billions danish crown (1 US dollar = 6 DKK) . The former nigerian dictator Ibrahim Babangida 34 billion DKK. Joseph -DesirTheta Mobutu 23 billions .The actual ivorian president follows Mobutu with 2 billions and Moshood Abiola 1,2 billion. M Haile Mariam about 1,2 billions and then Paul Biya from Cameroon with 500 millions. All this shows that by our leaders fault & lack of national feeling , we missed the welfare in Africa. Africa doesn't deserve to be seen as anger continent if our leaders stop being corrupted. We have ressources to to throw all those anathema. Nice week-end to everybody. Chakys. P:S May our sister soul rest in peace. Codolence to all the family. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:01:55 -0000 From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: "gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Color again.. Message-ID: <B0000016604@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm> via Commit Gambia-L. Regarding "tiger woods" posting etc. A short comment. My regards to Mr.Bassirou and the others for well written mails regarding my postings on color. However I still really believe that this emphasis on "white/black/color" is what we call in my country "en bjornetjeneste" (a bears favor). How come everyone except "pink or colorless" people are called "black"?! If I was writing what Jainaba Jiallos wrote but in "favor" of "White" people, I believe I would get some angry mails back?!? Just look(capital letters are mine): >BLACK SPORTS IN BLACK AMERICA...WHERE ARE MY PEOPLE???? >...What I liked was the fact that despite the fact that once upon a >time in the good old US of A, seeing a WHITE person who was not a caddy >on a golf course was like seeing a normal Madonna. Wow, a WHITE >man is really kicking ass on national tv... on a golf course. Hey, I >need another budweiser to celebrate Mannn!!! Yes Mannn!!! Tiger won the >championship (the Augusta masters) and was told to prepare some good >collard greens, chicken etc..(soul food..yeah, I think that was what the >dude was refering to) when he takes the participants of next years >masters out. BTW, have you folks seen Soul Food (the movie) yet??? I >think it is the best WHITE movie ever produced...bold statement, but >hey it's from the soul Mannn!!! O.K, Okay back to sports. >...So I thought and I thought and I thought. Why are there WHITE sports >and BLACK sports? What are the WHITE sports? Basketball is one of >them. It's dominated by WHITES. That's a fact. What are the BLACK >sports? Hockey is one of them. It's dominated by BLACKS. That's a >fact. There are several in-between sports, such that reflect the >idealistic "melting pot" theory of America. You know, like Football. >Yeah, football, were a WHITE quarterback who wins the Heissman trophy >has a greater chance of being drafted into the NBA if he has basketball >skills than being drafted into the NFL. > FOLKS HERE's THE REAL DEAL... >The historical basis for many of these sports will explain why >some are dominated by one ethnic group. Take for instance hockey. >A bunch of BLACK men chasing a WHITE puck, with sticks. Sound >familiar? How about bungee jumping? Tie a rope around a person >and toss them down? Sound familiar? Ever see a WHITE person bungee >jump (mindful of his history) and not be nervous? Man, these people >perfected that "sport" on us, now you expect us to bungee jump? How >about horseback riding? Let's not even go there. Shall we continue? >Going for a walk in the woods, Sailing (a la the America's cup). I'm >sure you see where this is going. Sailing, sailing, that's why there are >WHITE people here in north america in the first place. And do you ever >see a WHITE man in the American swim team (at the olympics)? Shoot, if >WE could swim WE wouldn't be here no how. You know? >So go ahead Mr. Tiger Woods. I don't know you, and probably never will. >Don't know what you stand for, probably don't care. I have >my own troubles to deal with. But every now and then, when I turn on >the TV and see a WHITE man kicking ass on a golf course--the last >physical bastion of the (HARDLINER?) supremacist mentality (we'll get to the >economics one day), then its okay with me. >Cheers, >Torstein. Black,white,black,white,black,white......It's almost like brainwashing.... For me it is simple. Everybody says that europeans started the color separation and that it only creates bad blood among humans. So why are everybody pounding on that everything is "BLACK" and "WHITE"???? My belief is that to continue on this track will only divide more, regardless if it is a African,Asian,European etc. who use it as a mesurement of people. As a person with a physical apperance that some people defines as "white" I will keep my right to be just as offended by "white color harrasment" than "black color racism". Best Regards, Torstein The Gambia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:54:32 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: mobutus gold in Gambia ( atranslated newpaper report) Message-ID: <19971116165443.AAA8550@momodou> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Hi Jobst, The Gambian government denied on Thursday any knowledge of hordes of gold reportedly stashed on the territory by former Zairean dictator Mobutu Sese Seko. A government statement said that "the government of the Gambia and in particular the central bank wish to make it abundantly clear that as far as it is concerned, that there is absolutely no evidence that such gold has been deposited in the country's banking system or anywhere else in the Gambia." It added: "The government of the Gambia and the central bank would be most obliged if anyone can render any information which could lead to any trace of any gold deposit allegedly belonging to deceased president Mobutu." On 16 Nov 97 at 4:19, Jobst M³nderlein wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I found this article in a big German newspaper. I translated it for > everyone and I wonder if this news has spread around the world. What > do you think of it? > > (Frankfurter Rundschau, Mittwoch den 12.11.1997, S. 2) > > Mobutus Gold in Gambia? > > Bonn (afp). Reporter des ZDF-MAgazins äKennzeichen Dô haben nach > Angaben der Redaktion im westafrikanischen Gambia einen Teil des > Goldschatzes des fr³heren zairischen Diktators Mobutu Sese Seko > aufgesp³rt. Mindestens sechs Tonnen Gold in einem Gesamtwert von 90 > Millionen US-Dollar lõgen in Gambia, erklõrte die Redaktion am > Dienstag. Den Angaben zufolge soll der Goldschatz, der insgesamt 100 > Tonnen umfa¯te, 1994 aus Zaire nach Gambia gebracht worden sein. > > Translation: > Mobutus gold in The Gambia? > > Bonn (afp). Reporters of the German TV-magazin äKennzeichen Dô > (public channel ZDF) have detected a part of the gold treasure of > former dictator from Zaire Mobutu Sese Seko in westafrican Gambia > according to the editorial office. At least six tons worth 90 > Million US Dollar are in the Gambia the editors declared on Tuesday. > According to their release the gold treasure, that is amounts to 100 > tons, was brought to the Gambia in 1994 from Zaire. (Frankfurter > Rundschau, Wednesday, 12.11.1997, p. 2) > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:07:38 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: new member Message-ID: <19971116170749.AAA8670@momodou> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings, Alikali Bah has been added to the list. Welcome to the Bantaba Alikali, we look forward to your contributions. You can send a brief introduction to gambia-l@u.washington.edu regards Momodou Camara On 16 Nov 97 at 0:52, Gassamaba omar wrote: > Dear list managers, > Could anyone add Brother Alkali Bah to Gambia-L > <alkali_bah@hotmail.com>. > alabaraka > > > WAS SALAAM > gassama > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:39:25 +0300 From: "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: mobutus gold in Gambia ( atranslated newpaper report) Message-ID: <01bcf2b6$950da3c0$f52385c2@kolls567> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-6" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jobst! Yes,the news has spread all over the place now.All my friends are are teasing me that maybe I should pack my bags and head for the Gambia,since its apparent that Mr. Jammeh has no intention of returning the stolen gold back to the Zairean people. Regards Bassss! -----Original Message----- From: Jobst Münderlein <joppl@hotmail.com> To: GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Date: 16/ÑÌÈ/1418 09:18 ã Subject: mobutus gold in Gambia ( atranslated newpaper report) >Hello everybody, > >I found this article in a big German newspaper. I translated it for >everyone and I wonder if this news has spread around the world. What do >you think of it? > >(Frankfurter Rundschau, Mittwoch den 12.11.1997, S. 2) > >Mobutus Gold in Gambia? > >Bonn (afp). Reporter des ZDF-MAgazins „Kennzeichen D“ haben nach Angaben >der Redaktion im westafrikanischen Gambia einen Teil des Goldschatzes >des früheren zairischen Diktators Mobutu Sese Seko aufgespürt. >Mindestens sechs Tonnen Gold in einem Gesamtwert von 90 Millionen >US-Dollar lägen in Gambia, erklärte die Redaktion am Dienstag. Den >Angaben zufolge soll der Goldschatz, der insgesamt 100 Tonnen umfaßte, >1994 aus Zaire nach Gambia gebracht worden sein. > >Translation: >Mobutus gold in The Gambia? > >Bonn (afp). Reporters of the German TV-magazin „Kennzeichen D“ (public >channel ZDF) have detected a part of the gold treasure of former >dictator from Zaire Mobutu Sese Seko in westafrican Gambia according to >the editorial office. At least six tons worth 90 Million US Dollar are >in the Gambia the editors declared on Tuesday. According to their >release the gold treasure, that is amounts to 100 tons, was brought to >the Gambia in 1994 from Zaire. >(Frankfurter Rundschau, Wednesday, 12.11.1997, p. 2) > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 13:58:39 -0500 (EST) From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Tragic death of a Gambian lady Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971116135443.17363A-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Malanding: Thanks for that timely response. I have been able to get in contact with the sister. It seems like we are ready to go public with our proposal. I have a couple more minor suggestions and I will send them to you before the deadline date. thanks musa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 14:30:55 -0500 From: Andy Lyons <alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Fwd: Distance Learning Initiative in Ghana Message-ID: <2.2.16.19971116193055.3df77e58@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Since the topic of how developing countries such as The Gambia can best make use of technology to improve education and development, I thought some members of the list might be interested in the efforts being undertaken in Ghana. My apologies if this has been posted already. Andy >Welcome to ghaclad-scope listserv. > >Project SCOPE Incorporated, a Boston-based nonprofit developer of >telecenters worldwide to deliver >education and training, is pleased to announce ghaclad-scope, a listserv >created to discuss the issues and challenges related to the Ghana Distance >Education Project, an initiative begun in 1996, jointly sponsored by the >Voluntary Workcamps Association of Ghana (VOLU) and Operation Crossroads >Africa and driven by an informal volunteer advisory committee consisting of >members from Ghana, US, Europe, the global academic community and Ghanian >ISP's. > >The initiatives of the Ghana Distance Education Project are as follows: > >1) To explore means of utilizing computers, telecommunications, audio/visual >media and information technology to enhance primary, secondary, tertiary, >vocational, professional development and continuing adult education >in Ghana; >2) To strengthen the capacity of grassroots organizations, low-income >communities and local schools to initiate, choose, plan and manage their own >self-help projects through information technology and telecommunications; >3) To create a demonstration effect on public opinion in terms of what >information technology, electronic networking and community-based computing >can offer for national and international development; >4) To increase awareness of how the computer and electronic connectivity can >re-orient youth groups toward the economy and labor market of the 21st >century; and >5) To foster opportunities for youth from the US and Europe to engage in >"service learning" providing computer literacy instruction to Ghanian >participants and technical assistance to the Project as they learn about >Ghanian culture and society. > >The primary focus of the listserv's activity will consist of news and >discussion relating directly to the Ghana Distance Education Project and its >technical and administrative needs. Anyone can join; however, we ask only >that you introduce yourself to the list members when you subscribe. > >Project SCOPE will archive material ultimately at >http://www.projectscope.org and develop a database of resources generated as >a result of the ghaclad-scope discussions. Thank you for joining us, and we >welcome your participation and your involving others in the listserv who >would benefit from and contribute to the >discussion process. > >Carolyn Manjourides, President >Project SCOPE Incorporated >25 Huntington Avenue, Suite 331, Boston, MA 02116 USA >(617)424-1121 Tel/Days (617)262-1929 Tel/Eves (617)437-9329 FAX >cmanjourides@projectscope.org E-mail >http://www.projectscope.org Website > To subscribe to ghaclad-scope, send an email to: Majordomo@igc.org with the following command in the body of your email message: subscribe ghaclad-scope =============================================================== Andy Lyons The Gambia Resource Page alyons@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu http://grove.ufl.edu/~alyons =============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:03:29 -0500 (EST) From: KTouray@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: orbituary Message-ID: <971116160328_902589508@mrin79> Another one us has fallen in the person of Alieu Badara Jallow. I am told he is a native of Serrekunda who lived in Kansas. He was undergoing surgery for a heart ailment when he he suffered a fatal stroke. He lived with his younger brother who now has the formidible task of transporting the body back to the Gambia. All those who wish to send condolences and assitance can do so at the following address: Momodou Seray Jallow(brother of the deceased) 5606 Floyd Apt 1A Overland Park Kansas 66206 May his soul rest in peace ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:09:47 PST From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Color again.. Message-ID: <19971116230947.28313.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Tostitos, Just to let you know, I feel a bit reluctant in dignifying you with a reply. You really seem to be a White dude with an attitude eh!!! I was asked a question to which I replied. Got a problem with that???? I am in no mood for a fight...still mourning over the recent deaths of two Gambians. So if you are spoiling for a fight - which I suspect is your motive - please say so, the arena is all yours. Enjoy the fight. And please let me know when you are done. I wish you success in the fight. Jainaba. BTW, my last name is Diallo NOT Jiallos!!!!!!!! > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 17:59:28 PST From: "fafanding fatajo" <ffatajo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Brief introduction Message-ID: <19971117015928.11357.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Dear Camara and core, My name is Fafanding s Fatajo ( F.S.Fatajo) from Sallikenni Village Cntral Baddibou North Bank Division. I am currently studying in Malaysia. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 18:01:50 PST From: "fafanding fatajo" <ffatajo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Brief introduction Message-ID: <19971117020150.4021.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Dear Camara and core, My name is Fafanding s Fatajo ( F.S.Fatajo) from Sallikenni Village Cntral Baddibou North Bank Division. I am currently studying in Malaysia. Thank you very much for including me in the Gambia List. Best of luck. Fafanding. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:03:23 -0500 (EST) From: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: orbituary Message-ID: <199711170203.VAA03079@oak.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text > > Another one us has fallen in the person of Alieu Badara Jallow. I am told he > is a native of Serrekunda who lived in Kansas. He was undergoing surgery for > a heart ailment when he he suffered a fatal stroke. He lived with his > younger brother who now has the formidible task of transporting the body back > to the Gambia. All those who wish to send condolences and assitance can do so > at the following address: > > Momodou Seray Jallow(brother of the deceased) > > 5606 Floyd Apt 1A > Overland Park > Kansas 66206 > > May his soul rest in peace > > May his Soul rest in peace. Malanding jaiteh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:15:26 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: orbituary Message-ID: <9711170215.AA37980@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mr. Touray, you wrote: > Another one us has fallen in the person of Alieu Badara Jallow. I am told he > is a native of Serrekunda who lived in Kansas. He was undergoing surgery for > a heart ailment when he he suffered a fatal stroke. He lived with his > younger brother who now has the formidible task of transporting the body back > to the Gambia. All those who wish to send condolences and assitance can do so > at the following address: > > Momodou Seray Jallow(brother of the deceased) > > 5606 Floyd Apt 1A > Overland Park > Kansas 66206 > > May his soul rest in peace Thank you very much for informing the list and I hope that all of us will assist in whatever way we can. May his soul rest in peace... Amen Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 21:27:44 -0500 (EST) From: BAKSAWA@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Inquiry About Membership To The List Message-ID: <971116212743_902618822@mrin42.mail.aol.com> List Managers: Several weeks ago, I requested membership on behalf of my brother Adama Sey, to the List. I do not remember reading a posting confirming his membership. If he has not been added, I would appreciate your considering him as a member. His e-maile address is: as2eng@bolton.ac.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:03:05 +0300 From: "Bassirou Dodou Drammeh" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <Gambia-L@U.Washington.Edu> Subject: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? Message-ID: <01bcf30d$d4a77540$852185c2@q-tel.qatar.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF326.F9F4AD40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF326.F9F4AD40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Torstein! I think you are absolutely correct and entitled to reserve = your right not only to feel offended but to fight back whenever we get = carried away with our this black-and-proud songs.By turning the tables = on us(your changing of the words Black for White in the article below) = you have reminded us that nobody has a monopoly on either inflicting or = feeling pain.So,I am sympathetic with your stance all the way.So,defend = your WHITE rights and don't allow any of these black people make you = feel guilty of offences committed by other whites. And keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by qatar.net.qa = (SMI-8.6/Qatar-Internet-Sendmail It's now Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 = -0300) id QAA13582; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 -0300 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with = SMTP id FAA13061; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:17:30 -0800 Received: from mx2.u.washington.edu (mx2.u.washington.edu = [140.142.32.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with = ESMTP id FAA36978 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 = 05:17:23 -0800 Received: from mail1.sn.no (0@mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) by mx2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with = ESMTP id FAA09534 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 = 05:17:21 -0800 Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by = mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with ESMTP id <OAA06600> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov = 1997 14:17:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail2.sn.no (t4o203p2.telia.com [195.204.220.182]) by = mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with SMTP id <OAA22643> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov = 1997 14:17:16 +0100 (MET) Received: from west.EARTH (149.212.100.111) by south.commit.gm (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000016604@south.commit.gm>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:14:20 +0000 Message-Id: <B0000016604@south.commit.gm> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:01:55 -0000 Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" = <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Color again.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm> via Commit Gambia-L. Regarding "tiger woods" posting etc. A short comment. My regards to Mr.Bassirou and the others for well written mails regarding my postings on color. However I still really believe that this emphasis on "white/black/color" = is what we call in my country "en bjornetjeneste" (a bears favor). How come everyone except "pink or colorless" people are called "black"?! If I was writing what Jainaba Jiallos wrote but in "favor" of "White" = people, I believe I would get some angry mails back?!? Just look(capital letters are mine): =20 >BLACK SPORTS IN BLACK AMERICA...WHERE ARE MY PEOPLE???? >...What I liked was the fact that despite the fact that once upon a=20 >time in the good old US of A, seeing a WHITE person who was not a caddy = >on a golf course was like seeing a normal Madonna. Wow, a WHITE=20 >man is really kicking ass on national tv... on a golf course. Hey, I=20 >need another budweiser to celebrate Mannn!!! Yes Mannn!!! Tiger won the = >championship (the Augusta masters) and was told to prepare some good=20 >collard greens, chicken etc..(soul food..yeah, I think that was what = the=20 >dude was refering to) when he takes the participants of next years=20 >masters out. BTW, have you folks seen Soul Food (the movie) yet??? I=20 >think it is the best WHITE movie ever produced...bold statement, but=20 >hey it's from the soul Mannn!!! O.K, Okay back to sports. >...So I thought and I thought and I thought. Why are there WHITE = sports=20 >and BLACK sports? What are the WHITE sports? Basketball is one of=20 >them. It's dominated by WHITES. That's a fact. What are the BLACK=20 >sports? Hockey is one of them. It's dominated by BLACKS. That's a=20 >fact. There are several in-between sports, such that reflect the=20 >idealistic "melting pot" theory of America. You know, like Football. =20 >Yeah, football, were a WHITE quarterback who wins the Heissman trophy=20 >has a greater chance of being drafted into the NBA if he has basketball = >skills than being drafted into the NFL.=20 > FOLKS HERE's THE REAL DEAL... >The historical basis for many of these sports will explain why >some are dominated by one ethnic group. Take for instance hockey. >A bunch of BLACK men chasing a WHITE puck, with sticks. Sound >familiar? How about bungee jumping? Tie a rope around a person >and toss them down? Sound familiar? Ever see a WHITE person bungee >jump (mindful of his history) and not be nervous? Man, these people >perfected that "sport" on us, now you expect us to bungee jump? How=20 >about horseback riding? Let's not even go there. Shall we continue?=20 >Going for a walk in the woods, Sailing (a la the America's cup). I'm=20 >sure you see where this is going. Sailing, sailing, that's why there = are=20 >WHITE people here in north america in the first place. And do you ever = >see a WHITE man in the American swim team (at the olympics)? Shoot, if = >WE could swim WE wouldn't be here no how. You know? >So go ahead Mr. Tiger Woods. I don't know you, and probably never = will.=20 >Don't know what you stand for, probably don't care. I have >my own troubles to deal with. But every now and then, when I turn on >the TV and see a WHITE man kicking ass on a golf course--the last >physical bastion of the (HARDLINER?) supremacist mentality (we'll get = to the=20 >economics one day), then its okay with me. >Cheers, >Torstein. Black,white,black,white,black,white......It's almost like = brainwashing.... For me it is simple. Everybody says that europeans started the color separation and that it = only creates bad blood among humans. So why are everybody pounding on that everything is "BLACK" and = "WHITE"???? My belief is that to continue on this track will only divide more,=20 regardless if it is a African,Asian,European etc. who use it as a = mesurement of people. As a person with a physical apperance that some people defines as = "white" I will keep my right to be just as offended by "white color harrasment" than "black = color racism". Best Regards, Torstein The Gambia=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF326.F9F4AD40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Torstein!</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>          &nbs= p; I=20 think you are absolutely correct and entitled to reserve your right not = only to=20 feel offended but to fight back whenever we get carried away with our = this=20 black-and-proud songs.By turning the tables on us(your changing of the = words=20 Black for White in the article below) you have reminded us that nobody = has a=20 monopoly on either inflicting or feeling pain.So,I am sympathetic with = your=20 stance all the way.So,defend your WHITE rights and don't allow any of = these=20 black people make you feel guilty of offences committed by other=20 whites.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>And keep up the good work down=20 there!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;       =20 Regards Bassss!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Return-Path: <<A=20 href=3D"mailto:GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu">GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washingt= on.edu</A>><BR>Received:=20 from lists3.u.washington.edu by qatar.net.qa=20 (SMI-8.6/Qatar-Internet-Sendmail  It's now Sun, 16 Nov 1997 = 16:13:03=20 -0300)<BR> id QAA13582; 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Wow, a WHITE <BR>>man is really kicking ass on = national tv...=20 on a golf course. Hey, I <BR>>need another budweiser to celebrate = Mannn!!!=20 Yes Mannn!!! Tiger won the <BR>>championship (the Augusta masters) = and was=20 told to prepare some good <BR>>collard greens, chicken etc..(soul = food..yeah,=20 I think that was what the <BR>>dude was refering to) when he takes = the=20 participants of next years <BR>>masters out. BTW, have you folks seen = Soul=20 Food (the movie) yet??? I <BR>>think it is the best WHITE movie  = ever=20 produced...bold statement, but <BR>>hey it's from the soul Mannn!!! = O.K, Okay=20 back to sports.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>>...So I thought and I thought = and I=20 thought.  Why are there WHITE sports <BR>>and BLACK = sports?  What=20 are the WHITE sports?  Basketball is one of <BR>>them.  = It's=20 dominated by WHITES.  That's a fact.  What are the BLACK=20 <BR>>sports?  Hockey is one of them.  It's dominated by=20 BLACKS.  That's a <BR>>fact.  There are several in-between = sports,=20 such that reflect the <BR>>idealistic "melting pot" theory = of=20 America. You know, like Football.  <BR>>Yeah, football, were a = WHITE=20 quarterback who wins the Heissman trophy <BR>>has a greater chance of = being=20 drafted into the NBA if he has basketball <BR>>skills than being = drafted into=20 the NFL. </FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 = size=3D2>>       =20 FOLKS HERE's THE REAL DEAL...<BR>>The historical basis for many of = these=20 sports will explain why<BR>>some are dominated by one ethnic = group. =20 Take for instance hockey.<BR>>A bunch of BLACK men chasing a WHITE = puck, with=20 sticks. Sound<BR>>familiar?  How about bungee jumping?  Tie = a rope=20 around a person<BR>>and toss them down? Sound familiar? Ever see a = WHITE=20 person bungee<BR>>jump (mindful of his history) and not be = nervous? =20 Man, these people<BR>>perfected that "sport" on us, now you = expect=20 us to bungee jump? How <BR>>about horseback riding? Let's not even go = there.=20 Shall we continue? <BR>>Going for a walk in the woods, Sailing (a la = the=20 America's cup).  I'm <BR>>sure you see where this is going. = Sailing,=20 sailing, that's why there are <BR>>WHITE people here in north america = in the=20 first place.  And do you ever <BR>>see a WHITE man in the = American swim=20 team (at the olympics)?  Shoot, if <BR>>WE could swim WE = wouldn't be=20 here no how.  You know?</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>>So go ahead Mr. Tiger = Woods.  I don't=20 know you, and probably never will. <BR>>Don't know what you stand = for,=20 probably don't care. I have<BR>>my own troubles to deal with.  = But every=20 now and then, when I turn on<BR>>the TV and see a WHITE man kicking = ass on a=20 golf course--the last<BR>>physical bastion of the (HARDLINER?) = supremacist=20 mentality (we'll get to the <BR>>economics one day), then its okay = with=20 me.<BR>>Cheers,<BR>>Torstein.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 = size=3D2>Black,white,black,white,black,white......It's=20 almost like brainwashing....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>For me it is simple.<BR>Everybody = says that=20 europeans started the color separation and that it only creates<BR>bad = blood=20 among humans.<BR>So why are everybody pounding on that everything is=20 "BLACK" and "WHITE"????<BR>My belief is that to = continue on=20 this track will only divide more, <BR>regardless if it is a=20 African,Asian,European etc. who use it as a mesurement of=20 people.</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>As a person with a physical = apperance that some=20 people defines as "white" I will keep<BR>my right to be just = as=20 offended by "white color harrasment" than "black color=20 racism".</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Best Regards,<BR>Torstein<BR>The = Gambia=20 </FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 = size=3D2><BR></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01BCF326.F9F4AD40-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:36:06 -0600 From: Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate Message-ID: <s46f7588.058@wpo.it.luc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi folks, I have been wondering what purpose the Gambian consulate serves. It is my understanding that when contacted, the consulate indicated that funds are not available to help in sending the corpse home. Can you imagine that? What use is a consulate that cannot provide help to its citizens at a time like this? This is the million-dollar question. Ndey Kumba >>> <BAKSAWA@aol.com> 11/15/97 05:30pm >>> Dear List Members: The above named Gambian is currently in a comma, and hooked on a life support system in Overlandpark, Kansas. The doctors have pronounced him "brain-dead", and the life support system is expected to be disconnected on Monday, November 17, 1997. The family's wish is to transport the corpse to The Gambia. Donations of any kind are critically needed at this time. You may contact: Momodou Sireh Jallow (Alieu's younger brother) and Rose Oshaia at ADDRESS: 5606 Floyd, #1A Overlandpark, Kansas 66202 TELEPHONE: (913) 262-4778 Alieu is the son of Ndey Jeng and Ousainou Jallow - originally from Basse, Upper River Division, but currently living in the Serrekunda area. Thanks in advance for your help. Awa Sey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 02:26:16 -0000 From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Color again.. Message-ID: <B0000016852@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm> via Commit Gambia-L. My apologies for wrongly spelling the name Jainaba Diallo. Torstein The Gambia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 22:53:20 PST From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate Message-ID: <19971117065320.12522.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Ndey Kumba, Eventhough this is an emotional issue, I think the million-dollar question should be: Do you expect the Gambian consulate to provide all the needs of all Gambians in that locality??? We already have an "organization" in gambia-l that I presume, can come together in such times and raise funds. Remember that the consulate gets its funds from a government that has very little to offer. If they said that they don't have the necessary funds, what else do you expect?? They should print more money, like Idi Amin Dada??? Folks, I think talking is cheap!!! It is time for us all to put up or shut up (excuse my style...no offence intended)...we shouldn't expect the government to do everything for us. Lets help the families in need. Have a great week! Jainaba. ********************************************************************* >Hi folks, > >I have been wondering what purpose the Gambian consulate serves. It >is my understanding that when contacted, the consulate indicated that >funds are not available to help in sending the corpse home. Can you >imagine that? What use is a consulate that cannot provide help to its >citizens at a time like this? This is the million-dollar question. > > > >Ndey Kumba ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:01:52 PST From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Color again.. Message-ID: <19971117070152.27751.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Gambia-l, My apologies for wrongly spelling the name Torstein...I spelt it as Tostitos in my previous posting on this thread (see header). Jainaba Ousmane Diallo Beautiful Vancouver. ********************************************************************** >Gambia-L. > >My apologies for wrongly spelling >the name Jainaba Diallo. > >Torstein >The Gambia ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 23:46:17 PST From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Fwd: Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal Message-ID: <19971117074617.3737.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Folks, Here we go again.... When will this insanity STOP???????? America oh America, the only remaining superpower, world's most industralised nation and democracy, and a real GANGTERS PARADISE. I Hail thee!!! Very very moving... Later.... Jainaba. ********************************************************************** November 17, 1997 Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal By MICHAEL COOPER [I] n his last phone call home to his mother in Senegal, Elhadji Gaye promised to return for a visit soon. It had been 11 years since he left his family behind to seek his fortune in New York, and he had not been back once. "His mother was becoming very impatient," Gaye's nephew, Omar Gaye, said yesterday in a telephone interview from Senegal. "She told him the last time that they spoke that life is not eternal and that 10 years without seeing him is a long, long time." Now the homecoming will be a somber one. Gaye, who made a living as a livery-cab driver, died at 33 on Friday after he was shot to death by two young women who tried to rob him after he picked them up in his taxi, the police said. The women belonged to the Bloods gang, the police said. "I am in a state of shock," his mother, Diama Ngallame, 75, said through a translator. "It is still very difficult to believe it. Is this a dream? I cannot believe it still. Can life really be this cruel?" She wept. In the courtyard of her home, in a village near Kaolack in the center of Senegal, relatives gathered to grieve. They are waiting for Elhadji Gaye's body to be flown back for the funeral. They spoke about plans for Muslim memorials on the eighth day and the 40th day after his death. "Times are very difficult here," said his nephew Omar Gaye, a university student studying physics and chemistry. "He was the pillar of our family. The source of our very subsistence. He was paying my studies and contributing to the family's monthly budget. You can probably imagine that this was a very hard loss for us all." Elhadji Gaye was one of nine children. His father died 20 years ago. He immigrated to New York 11 years ago to find work and lived in a three-bedroom apartment on Edgecombe Avenue in Harlem with four other immigrants from West Africa. Since 1993 he has been a driver for New Ways car service, driving from 7 P.M. to 7 A.M. After paying for gas, friends said, he made about $40 a night. "He would call most every Sunday," Omar Gaye said. "He would mostly talk about family problems. He said fairly little about life in New York -- 'I'm getting along fine, don't worry about me.' He used to tell me to keep working, to be honest, don't let anyone lead you astray. He would give us advice like that." In recent months, friends in New York said, Gaye had taken to carrying a photograph of a slender woman wearing a white blouse, her braided hair draped with beads. He told people she was his fiancee, a woman from Senegal whom he had courted by phone and proposed to three months ago. Family members in Senegal said that he had yet to tell them about the woman when he died. Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 00:27:35 PST From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Fwd: Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal Message-ID: <19971117082736.19120.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Folks, Here we go again..... When will this insanity STOP?????? America Oh America, the only remaining superpower, the world's most industralised nation and democracy and a real GANGSTER'S PARADISE. I hail Thee....... Very sad indeed. Later... Jainaba. PS: thought I sent this mail earlier, if so, sorry for the duplication. ********************************************************************* >> November 17, 1997 >> >> Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal >> >> By MICHAEL COOPER >> >> [I] n his last phone call home to his mother in >> Senegal, Elhadji Gaye promised to return for a >> visit soon. It had been 11 years since he left his >> family behind to seek his fortune in New York, and >> he had not been back once. >> >> "His mother was becoming very impatient," Gaye's >> nephew, Omar Gaye, said yesterday in a telephone >> interview from Senegal. "She told him the last >> time that they spoke that life is not eternal and >> that 10 years without seeing him is a long, long >> time." >> >> Now the homecoming will be a somber one. Gaye, who >> made a living as a livery-cab driver, died at 33 >> on Friday after he was shot to death by two young >> women who tried to rob him after he picked them up >> in his taxi, the police said. The women belonged >> to the Bloods gang, the police said. >> >> "I am in a state of shock," his mother, Diama >> Ngallame, 75, said through a translator. "It is >> still very difficult to believe it. Is this a >> dream? I cannot believe it still. Can life really >> be this cruel?" >> >> She wept. In the courtyard of her home, in a >> village near Kaolack in the center of Senegal, >> relatives gathered to grieve. They are waiting for >> Elhadji Gaye's body to be flown back for the >> funeral. They spoke about plans for Muslim >> memorials on the eighth day and the 40th day after >> his death. >> >> "Times are very difficult here," said his nephew >> Omar Gaye, a university student studying physics >> and chemistry. "He was the pillar of our family. >> The source of our very subsistence. He was paying >> my studies and contributing to the family's >> monthly budget. >> >> You can probably imagine that this was a very hard >> loss for us all." >> >> Elhadji Gaye was one of nine children. His father >> died 20 years ago. He immigrated to New York 11 >> years ago to find work and lived in a >> three-bedroom apartment on Edgecombe Avenue in >> Harlem with four other immigrants from West >> Africa. Since 1993 he has been a driver for New >> Ways car service, driving from 7 P.M. to 7 A.M. >> After paying for gas, friends said, he made about >> $40 a night. >> >> "He would call most every Sunday," Omar Gaye said. >> "He would mostly talk about family problems. He >> said fairly little about life in New York -- 'I'm >> getting along fine, don't worry about me.' He used >> to tell me to keep working, to be honest, don't >> let anyone lead you astray. He would give us >> advice like that." >> >> In recent months, friends in New York said, Gaye >> had taken to carrying a photograph of a slender >> woman wearing a white blouse, her braided hair >> draped with beads. He told people she was his >> fiancee, a woman from Senegal whom he had courted >> by phone and proposed to three months ago. Family >> members in Senegal said that he had yet to tell >> them about the woman when he died. >> >> Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 01:59:20 PST From: "sillah conateh" <sillahconateh@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New members Message-ID: <19971117095920.27130.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Dear List manager, The following people want to be included in The gambia List. They are Bukhari Sillah << bsillah@hotmail.com >> Arona John << aronajohn@hotmail.com >> Your usual co-operation once agin is highly solicited. Sillah Conateh. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 07:02:59 -0500 From: M W Payne <awo@mindspring.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? Message-ID: <34703273.F5BF76C2@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8AAAA2E324267BE6CD57EC74" --------------8AAAA2E324267BE6CD57EC74 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good day Mr. Torstein, Mr. Drammeh, and all Gambia-Lers, Now I think this "Question f Colour" is getting to the point of the ridiculous. I really need to ask, why should the expression of pride in one's people be source of irritation for someone else???? And then, why should I allow someone else to define for me, with whom I collectively identify? If Mr. Torstein has a problem with expressions of Black pride or the expression of a positive Black identity, then I suggest that is his problem, and that he has some issues, that he has to resolve. Why Mr. Drammeh would give support for this type of brooding is beyond me. Would either of you also condemn women who express pride in their sisters across the world who have accomplished something of merit and gotten local, national, or international publicity for it? Or would you condemn Gambians across the world, when a fellow Gambian achieved something great and other Gambians expressed pride in this achievement? After all, to categorize on ANY LEVEL is to be exclusionary to some group in the world. The Olympics is a vehicle for the type of pride expressed on a national level. Are the Olympics, or the type of pride which the Olympics foster wrong? Typically, quite a number White people throughout the world have always felt threatened when Black people express pride in themselves. And, even though Mr. Torstein likes to draw a distinction between himself and other White people, in this respect, he shows himself to be No Different. For Black people to express this type of pride is not demeaning to others, as both of you would suggest, but rather, is the result of numerous historical processes. If I express a love for my wife, does it demean other women??? I hope not!!! The Torstein argument is the same argument that I have heard time without number, coming from White people of various backgrounds (most NOT well intentioned) and a number of "liberal" Black folks, as to why there should be, for instance, Black Studies or Black History? The answer to that question is, all things being equal, that there should not be such programs. However, as we all know, All Things Are Not Equal! These programs, as well as the expression of Black pride are the historic result of the exclusion of the voices of Black people and their experiences in the larger arena. Now, when Black people get a voice, you try to silence that voice, on the alleged basis of being offensive to some people? Here we fall into the same cycle of silencing those who have traditionally had no voice!!! Although, I would affirm Mr. Torstein's right to express his unhappiness at these events, I understand that unhappiness, am unsympathetic toward the reason for that malaise, and even feel that I have the right and the obligation to express my outrage at this display of paternalism (for that is how I see it!) I have ignored some of the comments that Mr. Torstein has made in the past, (even though I feel that a number of his comments were tainted with racism) but I feel compelled to make at least a brief comment at this point. I do hope that everyone has a good day. M W Payne Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > Torstein! I think you are absolutely correct and entitled > to reserve your right not only to feel offended but to fight back > whenever we get carried away with our this black-and-proud songs.By > turning the tables on us(your changing of the words Black for White in > the article below) you have reminded us that nobody has a monopoly on > either inflicting or feeling pain.So,I am sympathetic with your stance > all the way.So,defend your WHITE rights and don't allow any of these > black people make you feel guilty of offences committed by other > whites. And keep up the good work down > there! Regards > Bassss! Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> > Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by qatar.net.qa > (SMI-8.6/Qatar-Internet-Sendmail It's now Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 > -0300) > id QAA13582; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 -0300 > Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) > with SMTP > id FAA13061; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:17:30 -0800 > Received: from mx2.u.washington.edu (mx2.u.washington.edu > [140.142.32.7]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with > ESMTP > id FAA36978 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 > 05:17:23 -0800 > Received: from mail1.sn.no (0@mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) > by mx2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with > ESMTP > id FAA09534 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 > 05:17:21 -0800 > Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by > mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) > with ESMTP id <OAA06600> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov > 1997 14:17:17 +0100 (MET) > Received: from mail2.sn.no (t4o203p2.telia.com [195.204.220.182]) by > mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) > with SMTP id <OAA22643> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov > 1997 14:17:16 +0100 (MET) > Received: from west.EARTH (149.212.100.111) by south.commit.gm > (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000016604@south.commit.gm>; > Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:14:20 +0000 > Message-Id: <B0000016604@south.commit.gm> > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:01:55 -0000 > Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Color again.. > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-To: "gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" > <tgr@commit.gm> > via Commit > > Gambia-L. > Regarding "tiger woods" posting etc. > A short comment. > My regards to Mr.Bassirou and the others for well written mails > regarding my postings on color. > However I still really believe that this emphasis on > "white/black/color" is what we call in > my country "en bjornetjeneste" (a bears favor). > How come everyone except "pink or colorless" people are called > "black"?! > If I was writing what Jainaba Jiallos wrote but in "favor" of "White" > people, > I believe I would get some angry mails back?!?Just look(capital > letters are mine): > > >BLACK SPORTS IN BLACK AMERICA...WHERE ARE MY PEOPLE????>...What I > liked was the fact that despite the fact that once upon a > >time in the good old US of A, seeing a WHITE person who was not a > caddy > >on a golf course was like seeing a normal Madonna. Wow, a WHITE > >man is really kicking ass on national tv... on a golf course. Hey, I > >need another budweiser to celebrate Mannn!!! Yes Mannn!!! Tiger won > the > >championship (the Augusta masters) and was told to prepare some good > >collard greens, chicken etc..(soul food..yeah, I think that was what > the > >dude was refering to) when he takes the participants of next years > >masters out. BTW, have you folks seen Soul Food (the movie) yet??? I > >think it is the best WHITE movie ever produced...bold statement, but > > >hey it's from the soul Mannn!!! O.K, Okay back to sports.>...So I > thought and I thought and I thought. Why are there WHITE sports > >and BLACK sports? What are the WHITE sports? Basketball is one of > >them. It's dominated by WHITES. That's a fact. What are the BLACK > >sports? Hockey is one of them. It's dominated by BLACKS. That's a > >fact. There are several in-between sports, such that reflect the > >idealistic "melting pot" theory of America. You know, like Football. > >Yeah, football, were a WHITE quarterback who wins the Heissman trophy > > >has a greater chance of being drafted into the NBA if he has > basketball > >skills than being drafted into the NFL. > FOLKS HERE's THE > REAL DEAL... > >The historical basis for many of these sports will explain why > >some are dominated by one ethnic group. Take for instance hockey. > >A bunch of BLACK men chasing a WHITE puck, with sticks. Sound > >familiar? How about bungee jumping? Tie a rope around a person > >and toss them down? Sound familiar? Ever see a WHITE person bungee > >jump (mindful of his history) and not be nervous? Man, these people > >perfected that "sport" on us, now you expect us to bungee jump? How > >about horseback riding? Let's not even go there. Shall we continue? > >Going for a walk in the woods, Sailing (a la the America's cup). I'm > > >sure you see where this is going. Sailing, sailing, that's why there > are > >WHITE people here in north america in the first place. And do you > ever > >see a WHITE man in the American swim team (at the olympics)? Shoot, > if > >WE could swim WE wouldn't be here no how. You know?>So go ahead Mr. > Tiger Woods. I don't know you, and probably never will. > >Don't know what you stand for, probably don't care. I have > >my own troubles to deal with. But every now and then, when I turn on > > >the TV and see a WHITE man kicking ass on a golf course--the last > >physical bastion of the (HARDLINER?) supremacist mentality (we'll get > to the > >economics one day), then its okay with me. > >Cheers, > >Torstein.Black,white,black,white,black,white......It's almost like > brainwashing....For me it is simple. > Everybody says that europeans started the color separation and that it > only creates > bad blood among humans. > So why are everybody pounding on that everything is "BLACK" and > "WHITE"???? > My belief is that to continue on this track will only divide more, > regardless if it is a African,Asian,European etc. who use it as a > mesurement of people.As a person with a physical apperance that some > people defines as "white" I will keep > my right to be just as offended by "white color harrasment" than > "black color racism".Best Regards, > Torstein > The Gambia > > --------------8AAAA2E324267BE6CD57EC74 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <BODY BGCOLOR="#FFFFFF"> Good day Mr. Torstein, Mr. Drammeh, and all Gambia-Lers, <P>Now I think this "Question f Colour" is getting to the point of the ridiculous.  I really need to ask, why should the expression of pride in one's people be source of irritation for someone else????  And then, why should I allow someone else to define for me, with whom I collectively identify?  If Mr. Torstein has a problem with expressions of Black pride or the expression of a positive Black identity, then I suggest that is his problem, and that he has some issues, that he has to resolve.  Why Mr. Drammeh would give support for this type of brooding is beyond me.  Would either of you also condemn women who express pride in their sisters across the world who have accomplished something of merit and gotten local, national, or international publicity for it?  Or would you condemn Gambians across the world, when a fellow Gambian achieved something great and other Gambians expressed pride in this achievement?  After all, to categorize on ANY LEVEL is to be exclusionary to some group in the world.  The Olympics is a vehicle for the type of pride expressed on a national level.  Are the Olympics, or the type of pride which the Olympics foster wrong? <P>Typically, quite a number White people throughout the world have always felt threatened when Black people express pride in themselves.  And, even though Mr. Torstein likes to draw a distinction between himself and other White people,  in this respect, he shows himself to be No Different.  For Black people to express this type of pride is not demeaning to others, as both of you would suggest, but rather, is the result of numerous historical processes.  If I express a love for my wife, does it demean other women???  I hope not!!! The Torstein argument is the same argument that I have heard time without number, coming from White people of various backgrounds (most NOT well intentioned) and a number of "liberal" Black folks, as to why there should be, for instance, Black Studies or Black History?  The answer to that question is, all things being equal, that there should not be such programs.  However, as we all know, All Things Are Not Equal!  These programs, as well as the expression of Black pride are the historic result of the exclusion of the voices of Black people and their experiences in the larger arena.  Now, when Black people get a voice, you try to silence that voice, on the alleged basis of being offensive to some people?  Here we fall into the same cycle of silencing those who have traditionally had no voice!!!  Although, I would affirm Mr. Torstein's right to express his unhappiness at these events, I understand that unhappiness, am unsympathetic toward the reason for that malaise, and even feel that I have the right and the obligation to express my outrage at this display of paternalism (for that is how I see it!) <P>I have ignored some of the comments that Mr. Torstein has made in the past, (even though I feel that a number of his comments were tainted with racism) but I feel compelled to make at least a brief comment at this point. <P>I do hope that everyone has a good day. <P>M W Payne <P>Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Torstein!</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>            I think you are absolutely correct and entitled to reserve your right not only to feel offended but to fight back whenever we get carried away with our this black-and-proud songs.By turning the tables on us(your changing of the words Black for White in the article below) you have reminded us that nobody has a monopoly on either inflicting or feeling pain.So,I am sympathetic with your stance all the way.So,defend your WHITE rights and don't allow any of these black people make you feel guilty of offences committed by other whites.</FONT></FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>And keep up the good work down there!</FONT></FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>                                                        Regards Bassss!</FONT></FONT> <FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Return-Path: <<A HREF="mailto:GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu">GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu</A>></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by qatar.net.qa (SMI-8.6/Qatar-Internet-Sendmail  It's now Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 -0300)</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>id QAA13582; 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charset=ISO-8859-1</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <<A HREF="mailto:tgr@commit.gm">tgr@commit.gm</A>></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>via Commit</FONT></FONT> <P><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Gambia-L.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Regarding "tiger woods" posting etc.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>A short comment.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>My regards to Mr.Bassirou and the others for well written mails</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>regarding my postings on color.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>However I still really believe that this emphasis on "white/black/color" is what we call in</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>my country "en bjornetjeneste" (a bears favor).</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>How come everyone except "pink or colorless" people are called "black"?!</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>If I was writing what Jainaba Jiallos wrote but in "favor" of "White" people,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>I believe I would get some angry mails back?!?</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Just look(capital letters are mine):</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>BLACK SPORTS IN BLACK AMERICA...WHERE ARE MY PEOPLE????</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>...What I liked was the fact that despite the fact that once upon a</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>time in the good old US of A, seeing a WHITE person who was not a caddy</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>on  a golf course was like seeing a normal Madonna. Wow, a WHITE</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>man is really kicking ass on national tv... on a golf course. Hey, I</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>need another budweiser to celebrate Mannn!!! Yes Mannn!!! Tiger won the</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>championship (the Augusta masters) and was told to prepare some good</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>collard greens, chicken etc..(soul food..yeah, I think that was what the</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>dude was refering to) when he takes the participants of next years</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>masters out. BTW, have you folks seen Soul Food (the movie) yet??? I</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>think it is the best WHITE movie  ever produced...bold statement, but</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>hey it's from the soul Mannn!!! O.K, Okay back to sports.</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>...So I thought and I thought and I thought.  Why are there WHITE sports</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>and BLACK sports?  What are the WHITE sports?  Basketball is one of</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>them.  It's dominated by WHITES.  That's a fact.  What are the BLACK</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>sports?  Hockey is one of them.  It's dominated by BLACKS.  That's a</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>fact.  There are several in-between sports, such that reflect the</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>idealistic "melting pot" theory of America. You know, like Football.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>Yeah, football, were a WHITE quarterback who wins the Heissman trophy</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>has a greater chance of being drafted into the NBA if he has basketball</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>skills than being drafted into the NFL. </FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>        FOLKS HERE's THE REAL DEAL...</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>The historical basis for many of these sports will explain why</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>some are dominated by one ethnic group.  Take for instance hockey.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>A bunch of BLACK men chasing a WHITE puck, with sticks. Sound</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>familiar?  How about bungee jumping?  Tie a rope around a person</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>and toss them down? Sound familiar? Ever see a WHITE person bungee</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>jump (mindful of his history) and not be nervous?  Man, these people</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>perfected that "sport" on us, now you expect us to bungee jump? How</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>about horseback riding? Let's not even go there. Shall we continue?</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>Going for a walk in the woods, Sailing (a la the America's cup).  I'm</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>sure you see where this is going. Sailing, sailing, that's why there are</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>WHITE people here in north america in the first place.  And do you ever</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>see a WHITE man in the American swim team (at the olympics)?  Shoot, if</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>WE could swim WE wouldn't be here no how.  You know?</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>So go ahead Mr. Tiger Woods.  I don't know you, and probably never will.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>Don't know what you stand for, probably don't care. I have</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>my own troubles to deal with.  But every now and then, when I turn on</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>the TV and see a WHITE man kicking ass on a golf course--the last</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>physical bastion of the (HARDLINER?) supremacist mentality (we'll get to the</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>economics one day), then its okay with me.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>Cheers,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>>Torstein.</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Black,white,black,white,black,white......It's almost like brainwashing....</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>For me it is simple.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Everybody says that europeans started the color separation and that it only creates</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>bad blood among humans.</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>So why are everybody pounding on that everything is "BLACK" and "WHITE"????</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>My belief is that to continue on this track will only divide more,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>regardless if it is a African,Asian,European etc. who use it as a mesurement of people.</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>As a person with a physical apperance that some people defines as "white" I will keep</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>my right to be just as offended by "white color harrasment" than "black color racism".</FONT></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Best Regards,</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Torstein</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>The Gambia </FONT></FONT> <P> </BLOCKQUOTE>   </BODY> </HTML> --------------8AAAA2E324267BE6CD57EC74-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:43:16 +0100 From: Sompo.Sinyan@udac.se (Sompo Sinyan) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Ditah( KESEMBEBAA) Message-ID: <v01530500b096074c5d2c@[193.44.78.221]> Well Ditah, This brougth a grate joy to recieve the introduction mail from you. Well boy ,it has been a long time since we've heard from one another, and I appologize ,it's really my fault actually . Anyway i do also have access to internet in our company ,I also install the system for other companies. I hope your child is feeling in good health. Boy I hope we can leave the past behind and look forward instead and no hard feelings.We are friends remember. All for now. Yours Sompo Sinyan Hälsningar Sompo Sinyan __________________________________________________________________________ Faktureringsadress: Besöksadress: UDAC Installation UDAC Box 174 Lägerhyddsvägen 3 (Polacksbacken) 75104 Uppsala Uppsala Telefon: 018-187934 Mobil : 0708-665534 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:03:31 -0500 (EST) From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: orbituary Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971117080115.8558A-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Malanding or anyone else: Is there a phone number where Momodou jallow can be reached? Musa On Sun, 16 Nov 1997, Malanding S. Jaiteh wrote: > > > > Another one us has fallen in the person of Alieu Badara Jallow. I am told he > > is a native of Serrekunda who lived in Kansas. He was undergoing surgery for > > a heart ailment when he he suffered a fatal stroke. He lived with his > > younger brother who now has the formidible task of transporting the body back > > to the Gambia. All those who wish to send condolences and assitance can do so > > at the following address: > > > > Momodou Seray Jallow(brother of the deceased) > > > > 5606 Floyd Apt 1A > > Overland Park > > Kansas 66206 > > > > May his soul rest in peace > > > > > May his Soul rest in peace. > > Malanding jaiteh > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:15:50 -0500 (EST) From: msjaiteh@mtu.edu (Malanding S. Jaiteh) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: orbituary Message-ID: <199711171315.IAA03133@oak.mtu.edu> Content-Type: text > > > Malanding or anyone else: Is there a phone number where Momodou jallow > can be reached? Musa > > > > > On Sun, 16 Nov 1997, Malanding S. Jaiteh wrote: > > > > > > > Another one us has fallen in the person of Alieu Badara Jallow. I am told he > > > is a native of Serrekunda who lived in Kansas. He was undergoing surgery for > > > a heart ailment when he he suffered a fatal stroke. He lived with his > > > younger brother who now has the formidible task of transporting the body back > > > to the Gambia. All those who wish to send condolences and assitance can do so > > > at the following address: > > > > > > Momodou Seray Jallow(brother of the deceased) > > > > > > 5606 Floyd Apt 1A > > > Overland Park > > > Kansas 66206 > > > > > > May his soul rest in peace > > > > > > > > May his Soul rest in peace. > > > > Malanding jaiteh > > > K Touray is the author. Touray please help Musa and others with a phone no. Malanding Jaiteh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 09:59:15 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: orbituary Message-ID: <9711171459.AA34856@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Musa, you wrote: > Malanding or anyone else: Is there a phone number where Momodou jallow > can be reached? Musa > Here is the contact phone number : (913) 262-4778 Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:54:12 +0300 From: "BASSIROU DODOU DRAMMEH" <kolls567@qatar.net.qa> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? Message-ID: <01bcf371$3b4a2460$9c2385c2@kolls567> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BCF38A.60975C60" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BCF38A.60975C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mr.Payne! Your insight is well taken.Thanks and keep up the good = work down there! = Regards Bassss! =20 I have ignored some of the comments that Mr. Torstein has made in = the past, (even though I feel that a number of his comments were tainted = with racism) but I feel compelled to make at least a brief comment at = this point.=20 =20 I do hope that everyone has a good day.=20 =20 M W Payne=20 =20 Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote:=20 =20 Torstein! I think you are absolutely correct and = entitled to reserve your right not only to feel offended but to fight = back whenever we get carried away with our this black-and-proud songs.By = turning the tables on us(your changing of the words Black for White in = the article below) you have reminded us that nobody has a monopoly on = either inflicting or feeling pain.So,I am sympathetic with your stance = all the way.So,defend your WHITE rights and don't allow any of these = black people make you feel guilty of offences committed by other whites. = And keep up the good work down there! = Regards Bassss!=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BCF38A.60975C60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1712.3"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Mr.Payne!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>          &nbs= p;    =20 Your insight is well taken.Thanks and keep up the good work down=20 there!</FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 size=3D2>          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;   =20 Regards Bassss!</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=20 style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"> <P> <P>I have ignored some of the comments that Mr. Torstein has made in = the=20 past, (even though I feel that a number of his comments were tainted = with=20 racism) but I feel compelled to make at least a brief comment at = this point.=20 =20 <P>I do hope that everyone has a good day.=20 <P>M W Payne=20 <P>Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote:=20 <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE =3D CITE> <FONT color=3D#000000><FONT=20 size=3D-1>Torstein!</FONT></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000><FONT=20 = size=3D-1>          &nb= sp;=20 I think you are absolutely correct and entitled to reserve your = right=20 not only to feel offended but to fight back whenever we get = carried away=20 with our this black-and-proud songs.By turning the tables on = us(your=20 changing of the words Black for White in the article below) you = have=20 reminded us that nobody has a monopoly on either inflicting or = feeling=20 pain.So,I am sympathetic with your stance all the way.So,defend = your=20 WHITE rights and don't allow any of these black people make you = feel=20 guilty of offences committed by other whites.</FONT></FONT> = <FONT=20 color=3D#000000><FONT size=3D-1>And keep up the good work down=20 there!</FONT></FONT> <FONT color=3D#000000><FONT=20 = size=3D-1>          &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            = ;            =         =20 Regards Bassss!</FONT></FONT> = </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BCF38A.60975C60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:55:56 +0200 From: momodou.camara@post3.tele.dk (Camara, Momodou) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: New members Message-ID: <19971117155615.AAA30712@momodou> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Greetings, Adama Sey, Bukhari Sillah and Arona John have all been added to the list. Welcome to the Gambia-l, we look forward to your contributions. Please send a brief introduction. Our address is gambia-l@u.washington.edu regards Momodou Camara ******************************************************* http://home3.inet.tele.dk/mcamara **"Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible"*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 12:11:06 -0500 (EST) From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971117115311.25837C-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MODOU: Thanks. It is interesting to hear that you are working with Kuntaur School because that is my alma matta. Infact, my parternal grand father founded Fulla Kunda, and called it" Kuntaur". The word "kuntaur" is a fulla word which means "a great pasture area for cattle". As people started to settle near the river they also called it Kuntaur. Now when others, in Jakaba and surrounding villages would travel to one of the kuntaurs, there was a confusion as to which one and as result, they would say Kuntaur Fulla Kunda (Kuntaur where the fullas live) and the other kuntaur simply remained that since there was a mixture of folks living there. As a result the town near the river became kuntaur and Fulla Kunda became Kuntaur Fulla Kunda or simply Fulla Kunda, and Jakaba became known as Kuntaur Jakaba or simply Jakaba. And, the Jakaba folks, at least, the elders who know the history still call me "Njati" (host) in reference to my grand fathers founding the area and giving them land to settle and build their own village. When my paternal grand father died, my dad was still in school at Armitage, which was meant only for sons of chiefs at the time , I am told. Therefore, my maternal grand father, Noperi Jawo took over the village leadership and today, I think my uncle, Dikory is heading the village. I have not been to the area for a long time, so may be when you get some time you can fill me in. I am told by Dr. Bojang, of Gambia College, that the area has changed. But anyway, the Danish seem to be doing good deeds back home, and I hope that our folks over there take good advantage of it. And, that the rest of us continue do what we can to help Gambian Education. If there is a way that I can be part of this Kuntaur project, I will be glad to participate. Thanks. Musa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 15:04:44 -0500 (EST) From: mjallow@st6000.sct.edu (Modou Jallow) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Fwd: Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal Message-ID: <9711172004.AA46862@st6000.sct.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jainaba, you wrote: > Folks, > > Here we go again.... > When will this insanity STOP???????? America oh America, the only > remaining superpower, world's most industralised nation and democracy, > and a real GANGTERS PARADISE. I Hail thee!!! > > Very very moving... > > Later.... > > Jainaba. > ********************************************************************** > November 17, 1997 > > Death Is Taking Him Home to Senegal > Much blessings and prayer for the brother. There is no shame in trying to making an honest living, but the turmoils of peace in America.... WHAT A SHAME!!!!!!! May his soul RIP Regards, Moe S. Jallow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 13:45:58 -0800 (PST) From: "D. Singhateh" <dawdas@u.washington.edu> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: Ditah( KESEMBEBAA) Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.971117133118.28206A-100000@dante29.u.washington.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE =09I consider the message blow a private message and should have been sent directly to the party(ies) concerned, instead. Just a thought. =09Dawda singhateh On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Sompo Sinyan wrote: >=20 > Well Ditah, > This brougth a grate joy to recieve the introduction mail from you. > Well boy ,it has been a long time since we've heard from one another, > and I appologize ,it's really my fault actually . > Anyway i do also have access to internet in our company ,I also install > the system for other companies. > I hope your child is feeling in good health. > Boy I hope we can leave the past behind and look forward instead and no > hard feelings.We are friends remember. > All for now. > Yours > Sompo Sinyan >=20 > H=E4lsningar >=20 > Sompo Sinyan >=20 >=20 > _________________________________________________________________________= _ >=20 > Faktureringsadress: Bes=F6ksadress: > UDAC Installation UDAC > Box 174 L=E4gerhyddsv=E4gen 3 (Polacksbacke= n) > 75104 Uppsala Uppsala > Telefon: 018-187934 > Mobil : 0708-665534 >=20 >=20 >=20 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:14:16 -0000 From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: color trouble.. Message-ID: <B0000017070@south.commit.gm> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm> via Commit Dear M W Payne. You wrote: >I have ignored some of the comments that Mr. Torstein has made in the past, (even though I feel that a number of >his comments were tainted with racism) but I feel compelled to make at least a brief comment at this point. >I do hope that everyone has a good day. >M W Payne Could you please specify for an ignorant "toubab" like me where I have tainted my views with racism?! In order to learn and change you have to listen to advices from different sources, so I would much apreciate it if you could enlighten me on this. I really need to ask, why should the expression of pride in one's people be source of irritation for someone else???? So then it is Okey for me to say, horrray, a WHITE man just beat Tyson or Carl Lewis or whoever because "WHITES" are MY people?!? And then, why should I allow someone else to define for me, with whom I collectively identify? I will defend to my death your right to define anything you like, but as a consept my personal belief is that it is not the best way to make peace among people from around the world. If Mr. Torstein has a problem with expressions of Black pride or the expression of a positive Black identity, then I suggest that is his problem, and that he has some issues, that he has to resolve. A positive black identity?, where the important thing is that "MY COLOR" beat the bad "WHITE" people?!? After all, to categorize on ANY LEVEL is to be exclusionary to some group in the world. The Olympics is a vehicle for the type of pride expressed on a national level. Are the Olympics, or the type of pride which the Olympics foster wrong? You just said it my friend, the olympics being a big, wonderful mix of people from around the world of any color nuance competing on the basis of skills and talent and really not "COLOR"!!! Typically, quite a number White people throughout the world have always felt threatened when Black people express pride in themselves. I feel treathened by violent people, ignorant people, people with guns, fanatic people and people without humor, but you can beat your chest as much as you like for me, I will evaluate you by the things you do and not your "COLOR". For Black people to express this type of pride is not demeaning to others, as both of you would suggest, but rather, is the result of numerous historical processes. I am humble and sometimes depressed in the face of history, but for myself I make my own reputation, and will speak up if people use my skincolor to define me. If I express a love for my wife, does it demean other women??? I hope not!!! The Torstein argument is the same argument that I have heard time without number, coming from White people of various backgrounds (most NOT well intentioned) and a number of "liberal" Black folks, as to why there should be, for instance, Black Studies or Black History? The answer to that question is, all things being equal, that there should not be such programs. However, as we all know, All Things Are Not Equal! These programs, as well as the expression of Black pride are the historic result of the exclusion of the voices of Black people and their experiences in the larger arena. Now, when Black people get a voice, you try to silence that voice, on the alleged basis of being offensive to some people? M W Payne So the important thing here is to voice out color segregation but the other way? Should not the voice of opressed people fighting against colordiffences, be to fight against evaluating people based on color??! Best Regards, Torstein The Gambia BTW: if you look to the left on your keyboard, there is a "caps lock" function there that you might have overlooked. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:07:28 -0600 From: Ndey Drammeh <NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu> To: jai_diallo@hotmail.com, gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate -Reply Message-ID: <s4707a15.005@wpo.it.luc.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Hi Jainaba, Please watch how you respond to other peoples mail. At the moment, I have more pressing issues to attend to and do not have the time, energy nor desire to engage in any petty fights. I think you need attitude adjustment. What seems to be your problem??? Why are you always on the defensive??? You should learn to discuss issues in a non confrontational manner. And please never ever try to put words in my mouth!!! You wrote: >Eventhough this is an emotional issue, I think the million-dollar >question should be: Do you expect the Gambian consulate to provide all >the needs of all Gambians in that locality??? We already have an >"organization" in gambia-l that I presume, can come together in such >times and raise funds. Where did this come from? I think no reasonable person in their right mind expects the govt. to hand everything down to them. I believe that is why some of us are to trying to get good education in order to be able to help ourselves and our families. However, in a case like this one, I do expect the govt. to at least provide some assistance to the Jallow family. After all, Alieu Badara's parents are taxpayers. I am sure some members of this forum will indeed contribute to the cause at hand. In fact a few people have already made donors. The reason why the consulate was contacted in the first place is because not many people came forward to provide assistance. >Remember that the consulate gets its funds from a government that has >ery little to offer. If they said that they don't have the necessary >funds, what else do you expect?? They should print more money, like >Idi Amin Dada??? Please save you sarcasm for those who are interested. The government may not have the funds to help the Jallow family, but they sure do have the funds to build a world class airport and some left over funds to deposit in the Swiss bank accounts of corrupt leaders, how hypocritical. >folks, I think talking is cheap!!! It is time for us all to put up or >shut up (excuse my style...no offence intended)...we shouldn't expect >the government to do everything for us. Lets help the families in need. Yes indeed talk is very cheap and only moronic people use it as an easy way out. I think you need to follow your own advise, put up or shut!! That is all for now, I got to run ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:08:31 -0500 (EST) From: Musa Sowe <chemsm@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: appology Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971117190533.7382B-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My last nmessage to Modou Camara was not intended to be sent to the general Gambia L. It was meant to be sent to his private email, somehow something went wrong and I am trying to figure it out because this is the second time it has happened to me. My appologies. Musa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:58:33 -0500 From: SAMBA NJIE <snjie@gis.net> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: 50 Dalasi Notes On The Offer Message-ID: <3470E839.EB6@gis.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Camara, Momodou wrote: > > The following is an extract from FOROYAA issue of 6-13 November, > 1997 > > PRESIDENT JAMMEH DISPLAYING WEALTH!!!!!!! > Sometime ago President jammeh was on national television to display > 21 vehicles which, he said had been given him as gifts to various > government departments. He claimed that the money came from Allah's > World Bank. > > On 2 November, 1997, FOROYAA was asked to go near the State House > gate to witness President Jammeh's dishing out of D50 notes. > A large crowd had gathered and more were on their way to the State > House gate after hearing that President Jammeh was issuing money to > passers-by. Many were young children; some adults. > For example, Fama, who is said to be from Half Die end, is a ten > year old girl. She had a D50 note. One person who claimed to be Babou > Njie of Hegan Street had a D50 note. Others who were identified as > Musa Jallow, Musa Nyang, Lamin Camara, Ousman Bah, Mam Matty Faal and > Amie Mbye. > > Interviewing the elderly people who stood gazing after Jammeh had > disappeared from the view, they claimed that they are needy people > who have heard that the President was giving out money. > Unfortunately, they were not so lucky to get any form of assistance. > In fact one lady claimed that she lost her pair of shoes in the push > and pull. > The most amazing development was the refusal of some people to go > even though Jammeh had gone in anticipation that he would turn up > again. > > This reminds us of the days when Babandi Sissoho used to dish out > money. Beggars would walk from Serrekunda to Fajara and wait outside > all day just to see him pass. Sometimes they were driven by guards > but would linger somewhere in anticipation of his coming. > These people also just looked on with the hope that somehow Jammeh > would come back. > > These are the trappings of poverty. Poverty dehumanizes. It > transforms a person into a mere object of pity. It throws a person > at the mercy of blind circumstances. > We hope that this pitiful sight will enable the president, in > particular and all Gambians, in general, to see the terrible nature > of poverty and motivate all well meaning people not to rest until all > Gambians can live dignified lives free from poverty.How does Yaya get away with such sub-moronic statements/claims? If this is a sign of things to come, we better brace ourselves for a "Mobutucracy" Samba ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 17:02:58 -0800 (PST) From: lamin marenah <keita@rocketmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Hypocrisy or Ignorance...... Message-ID: <19971118010258.197.rocketmail@web1.rocketmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello! It's been a long really dissapointed week waiting on list members to react to the current threats of aggression against the people of Iraq by uncle SAM. I have come to realise that certain unfavourable topics about uncle Sam have been treated with euphemisms or a little sympathetic by some members. In the interest of justice,we are all entitled to opinions regardless of how unpopular they might be. I am opinioned that the people of Iraq are being very unfairly treated by the international community in genaral and uncle Sam in particular. If the west is in any way not satisfied with how Saddam carries himself there should be a better way of dealing with it than subjecting all Iraqis to such inhumane conditions they have lived through for the past 7 years. I think uncle Sam is becoming the aggressor in this issue instead of showing good example to future world powers. If they could engineer the collapse of the soviet communist empire and remove unfavourable dictators i see no reason why innocent civillians in Iraq should suffer. I must also clarify that am in no way sympathetic to the so called "dictatorial regime" of Saddam but am only trying to be realistic as far as the plight of the innocent yet helpless civillians of Iraq goes. Could anybody out there justify why the "sins of the fathers should be visited on the sons" and mind you, cause you might also be justifying the "grandfather clause" in the U.S. segregation history. THANKS Lamin Marenah. __________________________________________________________________ Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:30:36 -0500 (EST) From: SANG1220@aol.com To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Cc: SANG1220@aol.com Subject: Obituary Message-ID: <971117203035_476214762@mrin44.mail.aol.com> Is there an account set up for those who want to contribute towards funeral expenses for our late brother and also please provide a phone number where one can call. Please do not expect the gambian embassy to help, they probably can't even afford to pay there staff.(laugh) Thanks Daddy Sang ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:41:29 PST From: "Jainaba Diallo" <jai_diallo@hotmail.com> To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu, NDRAMME@wpo.it.luc.edu Subject: Re: Alieu Badara Jallow - Gambian consulate -Reply Message-ID: <19971118024129.11115.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Ndey Kumba, Since you gotta run, please do so in peace!! I still stand by the statement though: Talk is cheap, we should for a change put up or shut up!!!!!! Jainaba. PS: The arena is all yours....make my day!!!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:32:47 -0800 From: Compaq Customer <seela@oz.net> To: "'GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List'" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Subject: FW: Life Insurance (fwd) Message-ID: <01BCF3A7.8175CBC0@sense-sea-pm11-15.oz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ps: List members; With the help of TONY LOUM ,I'm forwarding the full = details of the life Insurance issue I'd posted few days ago. Please take a moment , read it carefully & check it out=20 WASSALAM =20 ????????????????????? -----Original Message----- From: A. Loum [SMTP:tloum@u.washington.edu] Sent: Monday, November 17, 1997 11:59 AM To: Cheikh Faty Subject: Life Insurance (fwd) Faty, here is Sheku's posting on the life insurance which was written in = the summer. Maybe, you should reforward the message to Gambia-l and let = them reflect over it with the recent deaths that have been mounting this = year. You must have read from Jainaba Diallo that a Senegalese taxi = driver was also recently killed in New York. Thanks Tony=20 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 29 Jul 97 15:02:06 EDT From: "Dr. S. G. Kamara" <73244.2701@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu To: GAMBIA-L:=20 The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> ; Subject: Life Insurance Hello All, Per Mr. Tony Loum's request in response to Habib, I am presenting a = brief account of the insurance coverage which the Organization of = African Associations (OAA) successfully negotiated here in Seattle. The = OAA is an umbrella organization that comprises African and = African-American associations in Washington State. There have been some traumatic deaths of a few Africans during the last = few years. Generating adequate funds to complete the demanding funeral = arrangements and to ship the body were extremely difficult challenges. = The process usually involves somewhere around $7,000 -- outside the = reach of most uninsured individuals. Over the last year and a half, we talked to many insurance companies and = finally negotiated a concrete policy with one on the following simple = terms: 1. A group policy for which every subscribing individual of any OAA = member association will be eligible. 2. A simple, affordable, felxible, premium level. 3. Flexible payment schedule: monthly, quarterly, or annual. 4. A group rate based on the group's demographic averages (age, gender). Based on these, the major benefit of the policy we negotiated was as = follows: For a $10,000 life insurance policy, a member pays only $4.00 (four = dollars) per month, or $48.00 (forty-eight dollars) a year. This = translates to 40 cents per thousand dollars of benefit per month. Minor additional benefits to all members and their families include = additional cash benefits for accidental death and dismemberment (AD&D), = vision and prescription discounts, etc. The four key advantages of this insurance are: 1. There is no screening for anything. Members qualify upon = subscription. 2. Privacy: Individual/private demographic information of=20 member subscribers are not released to the Insurance=20 company. 3. If a subscribing member of our community dies, the insurance company = immediately writes the check for the amount of benefits to the = beneficiary with no questions asked, as long as they are identified by = OAA. Needless to say how happy and relieved we are to have this insurance in = place. We intend to work with the company to extend the policy to other states = in the U.S., as well as to different countries in Africa. If Africans in other locations are interested in pursuing this, DO NOT = SEND E-MAIL, but please WRITE to me at the Organization of African = Associations, P.O. Box 22413, Seattle, WA. 98122, USA. =20 PLEASE DO NOT SEND PRIVATE E-MAIL REGARDING THIS!!!l=20 Even though I have been peeping for a while, I have been following and = enjoying the discussions on Gambia-l. Keep the lively debates up. Back to peeper's paradise. Regards, S. G. Kamara. =20 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 10:11:34 +0100 From: Sompo.Sinyan@udac.se (Sompo Sinyan) To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: Ditah( KESEMBEBAA)APPOLOGY Message-ID: <v01530501b0972922cd48@[193.44.78.221]> Dear list members!! My appology to all of you who recieved my mail sent to Ditah, I became to notice that while the botten has already been pressed. I hope to avoid such terrible mistakes in the future. Sompo Hälsningar Sompo Sinyan __________________________________________________________________________ Faktureringsadress: Besöksadress: UDAC Installation UDAC Box 174 Lägerhyddsvägen 3 (Polacksbacken) 75104 Uppsala Uppsala Telefon: 018-187934 Mobil : 0708-665534 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 13:37:00 +0100 From: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: RE: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? Message-ID: <34718f3a.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Sir, = I can't seem to find the words that would describe exactly how grateful = = I am at your reply of Nov.17th. You saved me much energy and time from = what would have been an angry outburst from my side. This man who comes from a country where black people are still referred = = to as "neger" and in whose language everything bad is black (svart) = should either put up or shut up. Black people are justified in patting on the back all blacks who marvel = = in any descipline, sports etc. This man's failure to see/accept that = colour was and continues to be the main criteria used in denying blacks = = their human rights just goes on to reaffirm the contempt that colourless= = people have always had for colourful people. Once more thank you for a job well done! A. Kabir Njie ---------- From: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Sent: 17. november 1997 7:03 To: ak; gambia-l; kolls567 Subject: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? <<File: part2.htm>> Torstein! I think you are absolutely correct and entitled to reserve = your righ t not only to feel offended but to fight back whenever we get carried = away with o ur this black-and-proud songs.By turning the tables on us(your changing = = of the wo rds Black for White in the article below) you have reminded us that = nobody has a monopoly on either inflicting or feeling pain.So,I am sympathetic with = your stanc e all the way.So,defend your WHITE rights and don't allow any of these = black peop le make you feel guilty of offences committed by other whites. And keep up the good work down there! Regards Bassss! Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by qatar.net.qa (SMI-8.6/Qatar-Internet-S endmail It's now Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 -0300) id QAA13582; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 -0300 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with = = SMTP id FAA13061; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:17:30 -0800 Received: from mx2.u.washington.edu (mx2.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.7])= by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with = ESMTP id FAA36978 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:17:23 -0800 Received: from mail1.sn.no (0@mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) by mx2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with = ESMTP id FAA09534 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:17:21= -0800 Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by mail1.sn.no= (8.8.6 /8.8.6/sol5) with ESMTP id <OAA06600> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov = 1997 14:1 7:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail2.sn.no (t4o203p2.telia.com [195.204.220.182]) by mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) with SMTP id <OAA22643> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov = 1997 14:17 :16 +0100 (MET) Received: from west.EARTH (149.212.100.111) by south.commit.gm (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000016604@south.commit.gm>; Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:14:20 +0000 Message-Id: <B0000016604@south.commit.gm> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:01:55 -0000 Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" <gambia-l@u.washingto n.edu> Subject: Color again.. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: "gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1 Sent by "Torstein Grotnes" <tgr@commit.gm> via Commit Gambia-L. Regarding "tiger woods" posting etc. A short comment. My regards to Mr.Bassirou and the others for well written mails regarding my postings on color. However I still really believe that this emphasis on "white/black/color" = = is what we call in my country "en bjornetjeneste" (a bears favor). How come everyone except "pink or colorless" people are called "black"?! If I was writing what Jainaba Jiallos wrote but in "favor" of "White" = people, I believe I would get some angry mails back?!? Just look(capital letters are mine): = >BLACK SPORTS IN BLACK AMERICA...WHERE ARE MY PEOPLE???? >...What I liked was the fact that despite the fact that once upon a >time in the good old US of A, seeing a WHITE person who was not a caddy >on a golf course was like seeing a normal Madonna. Wow, a WHITE >man is really kicking ass on national tv... on a golf course. Hey, I >need another budweiser to celebrate Mannn!!! Yes Mannn!!! Tiger won the >championship (the Augusta masters) and was told to prepare some good >collard greens, chicken etc..(soul food..yeah, I think that was what the= = >dude was refering to) when he takes the participants of next years >masters out. BTW, have you folks seen Soul Food (the movie) yet??? I >think it is the best WHITE movie ever produced...bold statement, but >hey it's from the soul Mannn!!! O.K, Okay back to sports. >...So I thought and I thought and I thought. Why are there WHITE sports= = >and BLACK sports? What are the WHITE sports? Basketball is one of >them. It's dominated by WHITES. That's a fact. What are the BLACK >sports? Hockey is one of them. It's dominated by BLACKS. That's a >fact. There are several in-between sports, such that reflect the >idealistic "melting pot" theory of America. You know, like Football. >Yeah, football, were a WHITE quarterback who wins the Heissman trophy >has a greater chance of being drafted into the NBA if he has basketball >skills than being drafted into the NFL. > FOLKS HERE's THE REAL DEAL... >The historical basis for many of these sports will explain why >some are dominated by one ethnic group. Take for instance hockey. >A bunch of BLACK men chasing a WHITE puck, with sticks. Sound >familiar? How about bungee jumping? Tie a rope around a person >and toss them down? Sound familiar? Ever see a WHITE person bungee >jump (mindful of his history) and not be nervous? Man, these people >perfected that "sport" on us, now you expect us to bungee jump? How >about horseback riding? Let's not even go there. Shall we continue? >Going for a walk in the woods, Sailing (a la the America's cup). I'm >sure you see where this is going. Sailing, sailing, that's why there are= = >WHITE people here in north america in the first place. And do you ever >see a WHITE man in the American swim team (at the olympics)? Shoot, if >WE could swim WE wouldn't be here no how. You know? >So go ahead Mr. Tiger Woods. I don't know you, and probably never will.= = >Don't know what you stand for, probably don't care. I have >my own troubles to deal with. But every now and then, when I turn on >the TV and see a WHITE man kicking ass on a golf course--the last >physical bastion of the (HARDLINER?) supremacist mentality (we'll get to= = the >economics one day), then its okay with me. >Cheers, >Torstein. Black,white,black,white,black,white......It's almost like = brainwashing.... For me it is simple. Everybody says that europeans started the color separation and that it = only crea tes bad blood among humans. So why are everybody pounding on that everything is "BLACK" and = "WHITE"???? My belief is that to continue on this track will only divide more, regardless if it is a African,Asian,European etc. who use it as a = mesurement of people. As a person with a physical apperance that some people defines as "white"= = I will keep my right to be just as offended by "white color harrasment" than "black = = color ra cism". Best Regards, Torstein The Gambia --------------------------------------------------------------------- amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no Narud Stokke Wiig AS R=E5dhusgt. 27 N-0158 OSLO NORWAY Tel: +47 22 33 06 70 Fax: +47 22 41 45 01 --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:24:00 +0100 From: amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no To: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Subject: RE: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? Message-ID: <34719bd0.narud@relay.nsw.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=body.txt Hey there, = I just found out that I had made a mistake by double-clikking and = replying to the wrong posting but which had the same heading as the one I= = intended to respond to. The posting I meant to reply to is RE : The QUESTION of COLOUR????? sent = = in by M. W. Payne and not that by Bassirou Dodou Drammeh. I have copied = = Mr Payne's posting below. I regret any inconvenience caused and once again Mr. Payne, a big Thanks = = to YOU! Sir, = I can't seem to find the words that would describe exactly how grateful = = I am at your reply of Nov.17th. You saved me much energy and time from = what would have been an angry outburst from my side. This man who comes from a country where black people are still referred = = to as "neger" and in whose language everything bad is black (svart) = should either put up or shut up. Black people are justified in patting on the back all blacks who marvel = = in any descipline, sports etc. This man's failure to see/accept that = colour was and continues to be the main criteria used in denying blacks = = their human rights just goes on to reaffirm the contempt that colourless= = people have always had for colourful people. Once more thank you for a job well done! A. Kabir Njie ---------- From: gambia-l@u.washington.edu Sent: 17. november 1997 7:02 To: ak; gambia-l; awo Subject: Re: The QUESTION of COLOUR?????? <<File: part2.htm>> Good day Mr. Torstein, Mr. Drammeh, and all Gambia-Lers, Now I think this "Question f Colour" is getting to the point of the ridiculous. I really need to ask, why should the expression of pride in one's people be source of irritation for someone else???? And then, why should I allow someone else to define for me, with whom I collectively identify? If Mr. Torstein has a problem with expressions of Black pride or the expression of a positive Black identity, then I suggest that is his problem, and that he has some issues, that he has to resolve. Why Mr. Drammeh would give support for this type of brooding is beyond me. Would either of you also condemn women who express pride in their sisters across the world who have accomplished something of merit and gotten local, national, or international publicity for it? Or would you condemn Gambians across the world, when a fellow Gambian achieved something great and other Gambians expressed pride in this achievement? After all, to categorize on ANY LEVEL is to be exclusionary to some group in the world. The Olympics is a vehicle for the type of pride expressed on a national level. Are the Olympics, or the type of pride which the Olympics foster wrong? Typically, quite a number White people throughout the world have always felt threatened when Black people express pride in themselves. And, even though Mr. Torstein likes to draw a distinction between himself and other White people, in this respect, he shows himself to be No Different. For Black people to express this type of pride is not demeaning to others, as both of you would suggest, but rather, is the result of numerous historical processes. If I express a love for my wife, does it demean other women??? I hope not!!! The Torstein argument is the same argument that I have heard time without number, coming from White people of various backgrounds (most NOT well intentioned) and a number of "liberal" Black folks, as to why there should be, for instance, Black Studies or Black History? The answer to that question is, all things being equal, that there should not be such programs. However, as we all know, All Things Are Not Equal! These programs, as well as the expression of Black pride are the historic result of the exclusion of the voices of Black people and their experiences in the larger arena. Now, when Black people get a voice, you try to silence that voice, on the alleged basis of being offensive to some people? Here we fall into the same cycle of silencing those who have traditionally had no voice!!! Although, I would affirm Mr. Torstein's right to express his unhappiness at these events, I understand that unhappiness, am unsympathetic toward the reason for that malaise, and even feel that I have the right and the obligation to express my outrage at this display of paternalism (for that is how I see it!) I have ignored some of the comments that Mr. Torstein has made in the past, (even though I feel that a number of his comments were tainted with racism) but I feel compelled to make at least a brief comment at this point. I do hope that everyone has a good day. M W Payne Bassirou Dodou Drammeh wrote: > Torstein! I think you are absolutely correct and entitled > to reserve your right not only to feel offended but to fight back > whenever we get carried away with our this black-and-proud songs.By > turning the tables on us(your changing of the words Black for White in > the article below) you have reminded us that nobody has a monopoly on > either inflicting or feeling pain.So,I am sympathetic with your stance > all the way.So,defend your WHITE rights and don't allow any of these > black people make you feel guilty of offences committed by other > whites. And keep up the good work down > there! Regards > Bassss! Return-Path: <GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu> > Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by qatar.net.qa > (SMI-8.6/Qatar-Internet-Sendmail It's now Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 > -0300) > id QAA13582; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 16:13:03 -0300 > Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) > by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) > with SMTP > id FAA13061; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 05:17:30 -0800 > Received: from mx2.u.washington.edu (mx2.u.washington.edu > [140.142.32.7]) > by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.05) with > ESMTP > id FAA36978 for <gambia-l@lists.u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 > 05:17:23 -0800 > Received: from mail1.sn.no (0@mail1.sn.no [194.143.8.8]) > by mx2.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW97.09) with > ESMTP > id FAA09534 for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov 1997 > 05:17:21 -0800 > Received: from mail2.sn.no (0@mail2.sn.no [194.143.8.114]) by > mail1.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) > with ESMTP id <OAA06600> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov > 1997 14:17:17 +0100 (MET) > Received: from mail2.sn.no (t4o203p2.telia.com [195.204.220.182]) by > mail2.sn.no (8.8.6/8.8.6/sol5) > with SMTP id <OAA22643> for <gambia-l@u.washington.edu>; Sun, 16 Nov > 1997 14:17:16 +0100 (MET) > Received: from west.EARTH (149.212.100.111) by south.commit.gm > (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.81) with SMTP id <B0000016604@south.commit.gm>; > Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:14:20 +0000 > Message-Id: <B0000016604@south.commit.gm> > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 14:01:55 -0000 > Reply-To: <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Sender: GAMBIA-L-owner@u.washington.edu > Precedence: bulk > From: "tgr@commit.gm" <gambia-l@commit.gm> > To: "GAMBIA-L: The Gambia and Related Issues Mailing List" > <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Color again.. > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-To: "gambia-l" <gambia-l@u.washington.edu> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1Sent by "Torstein Grotnes= " > <tgr@commit.gm> > via Commit > > Gambia-L. > Regarding "tiger woods" posting etc. > A short comment. > My regards to Mr.Bassirou and the others for well written mails > regarding my postings on color. > However I still really believe that this emphasis on > "white/black/color" is what we call in > my country "en bjornetjeneste" (a bears favor). > How come everyone except "pink or colorless" people are called > "black"?! > If I was writing what Jainaba Jiallos wrote but in "favor" of "White" > people, > I believe I would get some angry mails back?!?Just look(capital > letters are mine): > > >BLACK SPORTS IN BLACK AMERICA...WHERE ARE MY PEOPLE????>...What I > liked was the fact that despite the fact that once upon a > >time in the good old US of A, seeing a WHITE person who was not a > caddy > >on a golf course was like seeing a normal Madonna. Wow, a WHITE > >man is really kicking ass on national tv... on a golf course. Hey, I > >need another budweiser to celebrate Mannn!!! Yes Mannn!!! Tiger won > the > >championship (the Augusta masters) and was told to prepare some good > >collard greens, chicken etc..(soul food..yeah, I think that was what > the > >dude was refering to) when he takes the participants of next years > >masters out. BTW, have you folks seen Soul Food (the movie) yet??? I > >think it is the best WHITE movie ever produced...bold statement, but > > >hey it's from the soul Mannn!!! O.K, Okay back to sports.>...So I > thought and I thought and I thought. Why are there WHITE sports > >and BLACK sports? What are the WHITE sports? Basketball is one of > >them. It's dominated by WHITES. That's a fact. What are the BLACK > >sports? Hockey is one of them. It's dominated by BLACKS. That's a > >fact. There are several in-between sports, such that reflect the > >idealistic "melting pot" theory of America. You know, like Football. > >Yeah, football, were a WHITE quarterback who wins the Heissman trophy > > >has a greater chance of being drafted into the NBA if he has > basketball > >skills than being drafted into the NFL. > FOLKS HERE's THE > REAL DEAL... > >The historical basis for many of these sports will explain why > >some are dominated by one ethnic group. Take for instance hockey. > >A bunch of BLACK men chasing a WHITE puck, with sticks. Sound > >familiar? How about bungee jumping? Tie a rope around a person > >and toss them down? Sound familiar? Ever see a WHITE person bungee > >jump (mindful of his history) and not be nervous? Man, these people > >perfected that "sport" on us, now you expect us to bungee jump? How > >about horseback riding? Let's not even go there. Shall we continue? > >Going for a walk in the woods, Sailing (a la the America's cup). I'm > > >sure you see where this is going. Sailing, sailing, that's why there > are > >WHITE people here in north america in the first place. And do you > ever > >see a WHITE man in the American swim team (at the olympics)? Shoot, > if > >WE could swim WE wouldn't be here no how. You know?>So go ahead Mr. > Tiger Woods. I don't know you, and probably never will. > >Don't know what you stand for, probably don't care. I have > >my own troubles to deal with. But every now and then, when I turn on > > >the TV and see a WHITE man kicking ass on a golf course--the last > >physical bastion of the (HARDLINER?) supremacist mentality (we'll get > to the > >economics one day), then its okay with me. > >Cheers, > >Torstein.Black,white,black,white,black,white......It's almost like > brainwashing....For me it is simple. > Everybody says that europeans started the color separation and that it > only creates > bad blood among humans. > So why are everybody pounding on that everything is "BLACK" and > "WHITE"???? > My belief is that to continue on this track will only divide more, > regardless if it is a African,Asian,European etc. who use it as a > mesurement of people.As a person with a physical apperance that some > people defines as "white" I will keep > my right to be just as offended by "white color harrasment" than > "black color racism".Best Regards, > Torstein > The Gambia > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- amadou.kabir.njie@nsw.no Narud Stokke Wiig AS R=E5dhusgt. 27 N-0158 OSLO NORWAY Tel: +47 22 33 06 70 Fax: +47 22 41 45 01 --------------------------------------------------------------------- [/quote]   Check here to include your profile signature.