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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 22 May 2006 : 20:40:42
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That is ok.
The problem is the black race has decided that they will be CONSUMERS OF CIVILISATION. UNTIL WE PROGRESS TO THE LEVEL OF PARTNERS WE WILL BE DISCRIMINATED. IN THE UNITED STATES, HAWAII IS THE ONLY STATE WHERE NATIVES HAVE CONTROL OF THEIR STATE AND ARE GIVEN THEIR DUES THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.
Racism is a not unique. The name changes depending on who is dealing with who.Sometimes it is called tribalism, nepotism, regionalism but the unique thing is to elimininate others for personal advancement. That experience could have happened to an Irish in UK or a Scott in London. If you have lived long enough in the UK you will soon discover the underlying hatred that is flowing underneath between the non-English in the Union. So it is not unique to Blacks alone but to any minority where ever they may be. It is an elimination criterion for survival just like you would do when sorting through job applicants.
In Russia during communism, racism was suppressed in the name of the ideology they believed in. It existed but could not be expressed openly. Now that freedom of speech is gaining ground, human instincts are beginning to surface. COMMUNISM IS ABOUT COMFORMITY EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
Many Gambians studied in the Communist Block like Waa Juwara and Sulayman Masaneh Ceesay and held important positions within the polit bureau of the student organisations. Now that will be unheard of.Communism tried to creat an ideal social structure where every one is equal but in reality that is impossible. Our make up demands that we are different.
For as long as resources are limited, we will try to eliminate one another to survive and racism is a small part of that natural and inherent feature of our very existence. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2006 : 21:37:31
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Originally posted by kondorong
That is ok.
The problem is the black race has decided that they will be CONSUMERS OF CIVILISATION. UNTIL WE PROGRESS TO THE LEVEL OF PARTNERS WE WILL BE DISCRIMINATED. IN THE UNITED STATES, HAWAII IS THE ONLY STATE WHERE NATIVES HAVE CONTROL OF THEIR STATE AND ARE GIVEN THEIR DUES THAN ANYWHERE ELSE.
Racism is a not unique. The name changes depending on who is dealing with who.Sometimes it is called tribalism, nepotism, regionalism but the unique thing is to elimininate others for personal advancement. That experience could have happened to an Irish in UK or a Scott in London. If you have lived long enough in the UK you will soon discover the underlying hatred that is flowing underneath between the non-English in the Union. So it is not unique to Blacks alone but to any minority where ever they may be. It is an elimination criterion for survival just like you would do when sorting through job applicants.
In Russia during communism, racism was suppressed in the name of the ideology they believed in. It existed but could not be expressed openly. Now that freedom of speech is gaining ground, human instincts are beginning to surface. COMMUNISM IS ABOUT COMFORMITY EVEN THOUGH WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT.
Many Gambians studied in the Communist Block like Waa Juwara and Sulayman Masaneh Ceesay and held important positions within the polit bureau of the student organisations. Now that will be unheard of.Communism tried to creat an ideal social structure where every one is equal but in reality that is impossible. Our make up demands that we are different.
For as long as resources are limited, we will try to eliminate one another to survive and racism is a small part of that natural and inherent feature of our very existence.
Kondorong,
How would you explain a supporter making chants at an ivorian player in Italy or a supporter a making monkey chants at a camerounian player in Spain? Some of those supporters are richer than the players they are jeering at. So where is survival in this? Whose existence is stake? The issue of african students having held important positions in Russia then is immaterial in the issue of racism. We still do have africans hold positions in their school associations.
Were Blacks minority in South Africa?come on Kondorong lets call a spade a spade. Despite the racism there are very nice non-blacks out there who deplore the practice. When i explain an ordeal i had to my boss at work he was visibly annoyed and apologised.Its there my brother. I have friends amongst the Asians and Caucasians. We are not generalising but its there! |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 22 May 2006 : 21:55:34
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Again you are right.
But the point is greed. We have an insatibale desire to acquire more. Infact the richer you become, the more you like to pile up.
My explanation is that the players are being singled out as threat to the majority in the field. It was not the norm and they are the ones defying the status quo. The best way to fight racism is to try to be very good at what you do. Being average and also a minority plays very well into the hands of those who would like to discriminate you.
It isnt a simple answer. Students hold positions but they are discriminated. That is true. But it also confirms minority status. In the gambia we call it tribalism. Jolas have experienced it as minority. We would have callled it racism if they were of another race. In fact the maids have simply been called by the name of their tribe as though that is what they should do. I hated it and still do. You cannot find a mandinka, wollof or fula maid in the gambia. Why should it be so MADIBA?. We africans are also guilty although we cannot call it racism.There are people in our socities who have been seriously discriminate since birth. It really exists unless you are not from a minority tribe in Afrca.
I was in East Africa sometime, and in the class, i was singled out as being different beacsue i was from West Africa. Infact some call me West African istead of Kondorong. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 May 2006 : 22:22:46
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Originally posted by kondorong
Again you are right.
But the point is greed. We have an insatibale desire to acquire more. Infact the richer you become, the more you like to pile up.
My explanation is that the players are being singled out as threat to the majority in the field. It was not the norm and they are the ones defying the status quo. The best way to fight racism is to try to be very good at what you do. Being average and also a minority plays very well into the hands of those who would like to discriminate you.
It isnt a simple answer. Students hold positions but they are discriminated. That is true. But it also confirms minority status. In the gambia we call it tribalism. Jolas have experienced it as minority. We would have callled it racism if they were of another race. In fact the maids have simply been called by the name of their tribe as though that is what they should do. I hated it and still do. You cannot find a mandinka, wollof or fula maid in the gambia. Why should it be so MADIBA?. We africans are also guilty although we cannot call it racism.There are people in our socities who have been seriously discriminate since birth. It really exists unless you are not from a minority tribe in Afrca.
I was in East Africa sometime, and in the class, i was singled out as being different beacsue i was from West Africa. Infact some call me West African istead of Kondorong.
It was greed during SLAVE TRADE AND COLONIALISM. But today it is WICKEDNESS, CRUELTY,INTOLERANCE AND IGNORANCE.
I don't dispute the fact that some form of discrimination exists in our societies such as tribalism. This discrimination has not reached the level in terms pain and shame that Racism has inflicted on blacks. Despite the discrimination against a tribe e.g. Jolas where in The Gambia have you heard that, Jolas can't live here, or Jolas are stoned in the streets? Or PMO should not appoint Jolas to Managerial or high post in The Gambia?
The issue of maid, it was not forced on any tribe to become maids. Though maids have undergone demeaning treats at the hands of their employers, there are no reported cases of maids being given food only fit for the animals. No maid has been killed by her employer. In South Africa recently a white farmer was reported to have thrown an employee at his lions and the lions fed on human being shall i say a blackman.
I was once on a trip in an Arab country, when dinner was served there was a black 'arab man' who must have been a descendant o slaves from the Mali empire, during the gold trade between mansa musa and the arabs, who out of ignorance or shamlessness was trying to mock at me. I was the one who had the last laugh anyway because, it was the leftover of our food, the food which i shared with his white arab msters that he ate. He brewed tea for us. He sat on the floor whilst i and his masters sat on sofas towering him. After the dinner I started chatting him up by the time i finished the glow of mischief he had in his eyes turned to boiling waters with a distant look that must have spanned centuries.He then realized that he was the laughing stock. I had my identity. I have my own culture and am a freeman in my country. I can go anywhere in my country.
Samuel Etoo of Cameroun and Barcelona is amongst the very best if not the best in La ligua and yet he has been a constant victim of racial abuse. So is that a question of low level of achievement?
So Kondorong we can preach EQUAL RIGHTS and JUSTICE despite the fact that you and I know that will take some time before that happens. But to say RACISM DOESN'T EXIST IS WISTFUL THINKING. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 22 May 2006 22:26:55 |
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MADIBA
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 22 May 2006 : 23:04:08
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I am not sayinmg it does not exist. It exist but in different forms. The tribalism that exist in africa could easily be called racism if it happened between a black and a non black. I am quite sure that issues of rape of maids must have taken place in the gambia. One just needs to conduct a survey and will be suprised what is meted out to them in homes.
May be you and i have never been maids but those who have , will tell you of stories that will make you vomit. By the way did you watch the video of Sambou Souso on MBINDAN. It is a good food for thought. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kobo
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 16:39:23
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| AS ive said there are RACISM in anywhere in the world even in the GAMBIA |
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kisley
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 16:50:12
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| Madiba, Why are "Jolas" discriminated against? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 17:17:41
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Originally posted by kisley
Madiba, Why are "Jolas" discriminated against?
I DID NOT SAY JOLAS ARE THE DISCRIMINATE TRIBE. I JUST REPEATED KONDORONG'S ASSERTION. MAYBE KONDORONG CAN HELP WITH THAT ANSWER. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 17:22:50
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I was told it was because Jolas are easily distinguished by their very dark skin, which makes them 'different'. Also is it something to do with the president being Jola.... If you are against him you are against his tribe? Are Jolas considered country people and less well educated? I am not sure.........these are just ideas I have heard.........Finally I think it is true that they are more likely to be animist and less likely to be a serious muslim.
The Jola people I have met are very beautiful and seem very thoughtful and calm......... I have liked them very much.
I would be really interested to know a Gambians view on this? Are there any Jola on the site? If so, do you feel discriminated against and why do you think it is? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 17:33:47
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| Am one of them 100%. Thats not true Gambiabev and am totally dissapointed with all of you! Am warning you to desist from castigating my ethnic group from your "RACIST" slurs! immediately. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 17:42:26
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if i may respectfully say, the idea of Africans discriminating on skin colour is Rubbish!!. infact issues of race and skin colour are hardly discussed by ordinary people. their main preoccupation is to find money to pay for everyday things!! you will find gambians who will almost pass as 'white' and they are not 'favoured' by society.how can you tell the tribe/ethnic group of a person by their skin colour? can you tell a german by just looking at him? . you are speaking as if you dont understand anthropology. try to filter out what your ''friends'' tell you.
no body is dicriminating against any one. what you have heard are just views of individual people perhaps expressing their own prejudices.
if anything it is more of an economic question but not a policy. all jobs from maids to waiters to teachers are open to everyone. what kondorong wrote can be understood in different ways.infact its not entirely true. there are maids from all ethnic groups fula, serer etc.
but there is no discrimination as you might understand it in the West. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 18:04:46
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| The essenece of my posting is that as humans, we tend to protect what is ours, AND EVEN TRY TO TAKE WHAT BELONGS TO TOTHERS and try to discount others so we may enjoy. This is manifested in different ways: tribalism, racism, nepotism, etc. The underlying principle is the same. Deny others while you survive. The ABOVE CAN EASILY BE GROUPED AS HATE. SO WHAT CAN BE CALLED RACISM CAN ALSO QUALIFY AS TRIBALISM DEPENDING WHAT SITUTAION YOU FIND YOUR SELF. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 23 May 2006 : 18:13:02
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Originally posted by kondorong
......You cannot find a mandinka, wollof or fula maid in the gambia. Why should it be so MADIBA?.
this is the confusion. it is inaccurate and misleading. hence people who might not see the economic side of things make the wrong decisions.
you have to correct it, withdraw it or apologise for it. it is not correct |
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