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Moe
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 Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 07:28:37
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You need to leave Tamsier alone the brother is kool. Atleast give peace a chance for a week , similar situations will come up again and a chance to throw it at each other once more.This is cyber space some of us are forced to be the bad guys.we say the despicable stuff that people dare not say or acknowledge it's taboo........................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by turk
I will not say unachievable, but it is very difficult. I like to be optimistic. (I have been up to Basse btw). I understand your concern about 'internal conflict', 'challenges of unity within Gambia' in the name of the 'democracy'. I realize that Gambia is already divided by 'tribes', plus 'islam and christianity', 'language', 'urban and city boys', 'secular' and 'religious' plus the agenda of our bigot. Yes it is very difficult. And democracy usually makes things much slower and may creates instability. That is why I wish Gambians to find a away to eliminate all these obstacles with a 'unique gambian model' that enables them to develop and to unite. I am not sure 'western democracy' is actually good for Gambia.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 12:01:15
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Interesting discussion, I wish you well in your quest.
I have to say African religions or cosmologies are not "Animist" or animism. Hence, all religion come from spirituality and no spirituality is better than the other. Arguing for a better Africa and at the same time calling her cosmology animist is like throwing the baby with the bathwater. |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 13:32:20
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| EVERYONE is entitled to their own beliefs,these should not be questioned unless they are wrong and hurt people.I am of the opinion that hard brainwashing evangilisation is WRONG as a tool used by ANY religion.Religion is a matter of personal choice.Just in order to make no mistake here is the dictionary definition of "Wrong" http://dictionary.cambridge.org/search/british/?q=wrong&x=29&y=4 |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 15:07:24
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| It is good to know/criticize/take lesson from the history. But at the end, the fact that Islam is the religion of many in Gambia. It is the reality of Gambia. One can hate and declare enemy that and this is a negativity for Gambia and eternal conflict and does not help. This kind of hatred causes nothing but the internal war, i.e. Sierra Leone, Liberia war. Or, accept the reality and move on to establish better relationship with other neighbors/cultures. There is nothing wrong with Gambians to establish relationship with other Muslims and Christians or Animists. And there is nothing wrong with internal marriages between two different tribe, religion and nationalities. Do not forget, there are many Lebanese or other Arabs in Gambia. They are part of the Gambian economy, social fabric. I hope we don't have le pens in Gambia. The relationship between Muslims and Christians maybe not perfect but it is much better than the ones in Nigeria, or former Yugoslavia. This is an value/asset for Gambia, do not mess up in the name of radicalism. It is time for unity regardless of religion or tribe for Gambia to move forward. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 15:34:33
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African traditional religions
"...African traditional religions, a group of beliefs in various spirits of nature, are commonly described as animistic, yet this fact has for many years been disputed by leading cultural anthropologists. For the most part, the description of African traditional religions in this way reflects more of a bias of European understanding and less of a scientifically balanced and ethnographically informed perspective. In describing African traditional religions, "Animism" is a term that is used as shorthand to describe a richer and more complex interplay between elders, ancestors and nature spirits...."
The contradiction lies in the implicit hierarchy created by the terminology; ANIMISM. So, if you claim equality between religions do not call others´ religions animistic.
There is no problem between the religions in Gambia
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 16:00:05
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Originally posted by Janko
So, if you claim equality between religions do not call others´ religions animistic.
There is no problem between the religions in Gambia
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Serere Animism V Islam
Well so-called experts are calling it 'Animism'. I just refer it how they want to be called.
What shall we call? Have you been following what is said about Islam? Obviously there is a problem for those are following ________ (fill the blanks)! |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 04:26:12
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| Oh dear! I can't believe Admin has put my name next to a filth arab. It goes with the territory I suppose. To even write this post would indicate that I give credence to the title of this thread. However since Admin has transferred my previous comments from another thread to this thread which it has created, I write to set the record straight as well as draw Bantaba visitors' attention to how the mamluk is trying to advocate arab imperialism through the back door of islam. Note how the mamluk tries to sell islam as if he is a marketing manager. Note also how he talks about using islam as a tool to unify Gambians. If anyone does not see how dangerous this is or as a tool of arab imperialism through islam, then I pity you. Where other means fail, arabs have used islam to achieve their objective as evident in history even today. If this fool thinks I am one of those who will fall victim to his bait, then he is barking on the wrong tree. I will not be one of his fools. I read comments thoroughly and I will not fall victim to his scam. This would be my last comment on this thread because to continue to comment would indicate I am giving credence to the title of this thread. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 06:13:38
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You know I really like you Tamsier but this thread deserves the name it has. One forum was not wide enough ya'll had to finish it off at the Bantaba and I have a feeling it is not over yet  . This thread is definitely Turk Vs Tam no doubt. Dude a whole forum was not enough for ya'll trust me we are all learning from this rematch We were not there when it started and just observers and learners......................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 07:01:45
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| It would be much better if it was turk vs bigot. Or bigot vs Muslims, Arabs, Gambian Women, Gambians and Humanity. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Prince
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Posted - 03 Jul 2010 : 07:42:53
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| Come on girls, this petty bickering is getting soooo redundant! |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 02:45:15
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| Turks and Senegalese are brothers and sisters, nice.... |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 03:16:28
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| TURK agree totally with Prince here stop stirring things up ,your link takes you to a place where insults and conflict are the food of the posters,not for me and let those who like that sort of thing stay there.At least here we do have a moderately civilised discussion once in a while |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 03:20:17
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| :) Just wanted to point that it is not turk vs tamsir, it is turk(s) vs tamsir. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 03:35:23
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Ah.......so spelling is important then 
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Originally posted by turk
:) Just wanted to point that it is not turk vs tamsir, it is turk(s) vs tamsir.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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