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toubab1020
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 Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 21:39:06
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OK, I equated those terms as having one meaning it would appear by what you write that ISLAM has two different meanings,you were right and I was right,clarification of these terms by a scolar would be enlightning.
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Originally posted by Momodou
Alms and charity I believe are two different things in Islam. Every year 2.5% of one's wealth should be given as Zakhat (Alms) to the needy who are not necessarily beggars. They can be you neighbours or your own extended family. Zakhat is an obligation and is one of the pillars.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 21:42:41
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Where is the government which can provide free housing, shelter, welfare payment, unemployment insurance, training programs, free university loan, free education, food stamps? If we had 'democracy' none of these happened.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 21:43:33
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Toubab, that should be another topic.   |
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 22:36:40
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Prince,I am ashtonished and somewhat shocked that YOU should ask me about "realities"(OK spelling mistakes corrected ,thanks,one finger expert me ) of The Gambia,being a Gambian yourself (I presume).
I can write from two viewpoints here,firstly as a foreigner who has visited The Gambia over a period of years,and secondly as a person who has stayed with and has knowledge of the facts of living in The Gambia at an everyday level with the "average Gambian".I do not wish at all to critise a country and people that I hold very dear and understand to a small extent the way they think.
Toubab,
I didn't mean to shock you with my questions. Gambia is a very diverse place and the realities of the average person and the collective Gambian population vary significantly. You probably won't be as shocked if you'd take a minute to get off your high horse.
I just find it borderline arrogant that you persistently criticize Gambians at every given opportunity. It is getting too frequent that intellectual midgets like you come around here to offer your flawed expert opinion on Gambians.
Don't get me wrong, your subtle insults aren't sticking on us. honestly, whenever your spit out your diatribes, you always come out like a retarded kid throwing ice-cubes at the sun.
Given your obvious empty and spacious thought process, even your toubab claim is very suspect. But hey, that is your cup of tea.
I'd hope the "dear" feelings you have towards Gambia isn't similar to the "dear" feelings a master has for his dog.
Sorry for coming out harsh, I just had to call you out on your flawed way of addressing Gambian issues and possibly whack you off your high horse!
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 23:32:40
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PRINCE, an example of your willingness to discuss a topics that I have posted in a gentle manner is answered with personal insults and a total unwillingness to discuss or even acknowledge the problems that beset The Gambia.
It is obviously pointless to have a discussion with you of the very serious problems that The Gambia has,I totally stick by my words :
"ALL Gambians have to face the reallities realities of The Gambia and not bury their heads in the sand hoping that everything will be alright and go away.IT WONT."
It would appear that I am not alone :
http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9347
Any reply that you may wish to make to this posting I suggest will have the same fury that you expressed previously.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 28 Jun 2010 23:44:15 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 23:55:56
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| P.S. Ahem. Yeah, blame the turk. :) My topic was to highlight the critical issue of health situation in Gambia and its impact which is usually overlooked due to other priorities. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 00:13:13
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turk,
you make me |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 00:51:05
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...with personal insults and a total unwillingness to discuss or even acknowledge the problems that beset The Gambia.
Toubab, where and when did I insult you??
Whatever. why did you wait this late to bring up links on political problems that besieges all third world countries? That wiki link highlights the problems confronting ALL third world countries, nothing on it is uniquely Gambian.
You subtly run your mouth on what you presume to be "cultural and social" Gambian problems. And I will ram it down your throat that those are the Gambian culture; neither you, nor me is qualify to criticize them. What may appear to be a "problem" to you and your fellow keyboard revolutionaries, may be what Gambians are comfortable doing. So deal with it, or eff off.
It is not unusual for internet revolutionaries to stick to their words. I hope you choke on your words till you fall off your high horse!
Btw, you are not toubab. In fact, you are faker than blue eyed crackers nailed to a crucifix! |
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 01:04:18
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Need I write more PRINCE ? I think not.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
12306 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 01:08:17
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TURK, you are too modest, I am not blaming you in posting your topic, some posters probably would have liked you to post something else
you are after all a thinking man
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Originally posted by turk
P.S. Ahem. Yeah, blame the turk. :) My topic was to highlight the critical issue of health situation in Gambia and its impact which is usually overlooked due to other priorities.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 02:39:36
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turk,
what happened to your signature? ... "too many experts on Gambia/Africa and none on Europe".
The slogan of these experts is; "do not blame the West for the problems of Gambia/Africa today, for colonialism is long gone."
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 02:52:29
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Janko, you know you are one of my favorites here. But, I have to point out that this is a Gambian forum, it is natural the focus being on Gambia. And I am sure you appreciate how critical I am on western world and I contribute on various topics other than Gambia. Also, for your second point, I think you confuse me with this my dear friend Kayjatta (who is actually white dude from texas), LOL, I am very critical on western world, particularly on European colonization which was one of the major reasons what we have in Africa today...... I thought that was so obvious.
For the signature, I guess I was supposed to be arab, turk, taliban, terrorist even was associated to a white supremacy once by Karamba. But, I could not fool uncle santa, he finally exposed me that I am actually a Gambian.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 29 Jun 2010 03:08:08 |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 06:16:18
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That was funnyquote:
Originally posted by Janko
turk,
you make me
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 08:51:09
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I think street begging (panhandling)should be outlawed in the Gambia. I also think there should be a govt. program (social welfare system) to help and rehabilitate those who are suffering for no fault of their own.
Street begging in the Gambia is a complex issue rooted in tradition and the Islamic culture, and the beggars themselves consist of a diverse group some disabled, and others not. Some beggars only have a treatable wound on their leg while others are blessed with multiple births (twins). Some beggars are children used by adults to solicit money from the public.
While the plight of beggars should be of great concern, street begging in a large scale as it exist in the Gambia (and Senegal) has enormous economic and national security repercussions. |
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jambo
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Posted - 29 Jun 2010 : 10:39:01
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what replies this has produced. but my question is this, if the government does not help, and it is not a requirement of islam to give to beggers. thank you for that insight. who is to help the beggers.
the reason they were taken off the streets was due to the numbers.
one beggers most people give something, but 7, action has to be taken.
questions who helps them? |
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