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Moe
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 Posted - 09 Jun 2010 : 23:06:08
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| Thats called Profiling Toubab1020, Most of the Gambian attorneys practicing law are incompetent and inexperienced or just don't care.If I was a practicing Lawyer in Gambia I promise you it will be a different story. These people are arrested and taken to jail, whether guilty or not it's the circumstances upon which they are arrested. You cannot break the law to exercise the Law. I would have had every single case dropped out of court simply due to the fact that it should be considered illegal searches and seizures. How do we determine who is suspicious and who is not ,this is beyond the Jamba business which I feel should not be a criminal offence in Gambia. The fact is it is our real cash crop. I would suggest legalization on herbs from Banjul to Koina. From Brikama to Ginak everyone has a little farm. There is a procedure to follow prior to arresting someone and if the police are incompetent enough not to follow protocol ,all I can wish them is good luck then.....................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 00:37:45
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I agree with what you write here,crime and drugs both are very bad and its not up to you to set boundries. In most of your postings you only appear to see one side of the coin that H.E. should go together with his administration.I cannot remember you ever writing an opinion as to which named people should should replace those who should go.
I am not writing that your rights should be restricted in any way, as your statement implies when you write " But I will not surrender my rights to challenge a situation of looming perils the nation is set on plunging." Fair Enough but if you throw out a challange surley it is right that you should as the challenger provide an alternative?
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Originally posted by Karamba
Toubab1020,
It is not ME to decide who rules Gambia safely and decently. But I will not surrender my rights to challenge a situation of looming perils the nation is set on plunging.
Drugs and crime are close matches. With so much drugs in Gambia, it is sensible to expect a surge in crime and other socially unstable events.
Where lies so many words in that?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 00:40:49
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MOE I understand how your mind was working now.
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Originally posted by Moe
Thats called Profiling Toubab1020, Most of the Gambian attorneys practicing law are incompetent and inexperienced or just don't care.If I was a practicing Lawyer in Gambia I promise you it will be a different story. These people are arrested and taken to jail, whether guilty or not it's the circumstances upon which they are arrested. You cannot break the law to exercise the Law. I would have had every single case dropped out of court simply due to the fact that it should be considered illegal searches and seizures. How do we determine who is suspicious and who is not ,this is beyond the Jamba business which I feel should not be a criminal offence in Gambia. The fact is it is our real cash crop. I would suggest legalization on herbs from Banjul to Koina. From Brikama to Ginak everyone has a little farm. There is a procedure to follow prior to arresting someone and if the police are incompetent enough not to follow protocol ,all I can wish them is good luck then.....................................................Peace
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 01:01:44
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Originally posted by toubab1020
I agree with what you write here,crime and drugs both are very bad and its not up to you to set boundries. In most of your postings you only appear to see one side of the coin that H.E. should go together with his administration.I cannot remember you ever writing an opinion as to which named people should should replace those who should go.
I am not writing that your rights should be restricted in any way, as your statement implies when you write " But I will not surrender my rights to challenge a situation of looming perils the nation is set on plunging." Fair Enough but if you throw out a challange surley it is right that you should as the challenger provide an alternative?
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Originally posted by Karamba
Toubab1020,
It is not ME to decide who rules Gambia safely and decently. But I will not surrender my rights to challenge a situation of looming perils the nation is set on plunging.
Drugs and crime are close matches. With so much drugs in Gambia, it is sensible to expect a surge in crime and other socially unstable events.
Where lies so many words in that?
Toubab1020,
In direct response to your question, here is something to suggest. By the fact of good numbers, Gambia does not lack people capable of leading without resorting to armed force. When Yaya emerged, he failed to engage the right way. Being there for 16 years is more than enough time. Should he step out of the political ring, others will have it open to bid for whatever whoever feels OK. It rests in the hands of Gambians to decide at such time.
In the look of things, unless Yaya Jammeh makes sense and steps out, he is denying others to engage a free and fairer political arena. He should be sensible enough.
With all that is now spilling out, any government presiding over crises has responsibility to act sanely. In the way of things, the sanity anyone will expect is for the government to resign.
Put short and simple, there are many Gambians capable of sorting out things once the political arena is free and fair.
For Yaya as a person, he is either being betrayed, a betrayer himself, or both. Should it turn out that his own stick together to betray him, then that's clear signal for him.
Bottom line is that 16 years forced rule is too much. Signs are not good.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 01:19:53
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KARAMBA.I read what you say and note it, the fact is that you are unable or unwilling to name anyone who would provide an alternative administration. That's fine with me,I shouldn't perhaps have asked for such a straight forward answer when talking politics,I didnt get an answer did I ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 01:43:49
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Toubab,
When a house is set on fire, the most sensible priority intervention normally is to put off the fire. Next you think of reconstruction. Later you consider who occupies the rebuilt house. To let people who play with fire occupy the new structure will run equal or more risk.
At this stage where Gambia stands, it does not look the political atmosphere invites occupation of positions.
Like it is stated earlier, there are bound to be lot of very capable persons who will step in the ring once free, fair, and safe politics is assured.
In my perception (and I may be wrong) the time to bargain for power is not ripe. What needs working on is to terminate the regime and leadership of Yaya Jammeh along APRC.
He (Yaya) could gain so much by just stepping down. Gambia will surely not drown if Yaya is gone. Currently, everything appears resting on his lone head through no fault of anyone else apart from chairman.
This drug matter alone is enough fuel to spark further troubles. Where the sitting government could not prevent it happening, consider what that means. There is a game we may not both understand.
When these things keep going on, the results may not be nice for anyone. What would you have advised Yaya at this moment? |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 09:02:52
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| You do have an alternate and sharing it with the rest of the world means telling everyone you are UDP Karamba. The only reason why you would particularly choose not to mention your leader is evident. How was work yesterday?.........................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Momodou
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 10:24:21
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Originally posted by Moe
You do have an alternate and sharing it with the rest of the world means telling everyone you are UDP Karamba. The only reason why you would particularly choose not to mention your leader is evident. How was work yesterday?.........................................Peace
NO MOE. OPPOSING THE REGIME & BEING BITTER OR AGAINST THE SYSTEM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE U A UDP KARAMBA IS VERY VOCAL FOR REGIME CHANGE BUT NEVER OPENLY AFFILIATE WITH ANY POLITICAL PARTY.
EVERY CITIZEN HAS SOME SOVEREIGNTY, POLITICAL RIGHTS & RESPONSIBILITIES; "FOR THE GAMBIA..OUR HOMELAND...THAT ALL MAY LIVE IN UNITY...FREEDOM & PEACE EACH DAY!" |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 11:32:57
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KARAMBA, I read your words,and in response I refer you to my earlier posting.Nothing further to be gained by discussion on this topic at the moment.
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Originally posted by Karamba
Toubab,
When a house is set on fire, the most sensible priority intervention normally is to put off the fire. Next you think of reconstruction. Later you consider who occupies the rebuilt house. To let people who play with fire occupy the new structure will run equal or more risk.
At this stage where Gambia stands, it does not look the political atmosphere invites occupation of positions.
Like it is stated earlier, there are bound to be lot of very capable persons who will step in the ring once free, fair, and safe politics is assured.
In my perception (and I may be wrong) the time to bargain for power is not ripe. What needs working on is to terminate the regime and leadership of Yaya Jammeh along APRC.
He (Yaya) could gain so much by just stepping down. Gambia will surely not drown if Yaya is gone. Currently, everything appears resting on his lone head through no fault of anyone else apart from chairman.
This drug matter alone is enough fuel to spark further troubles. Where the sitting government could not prevent it happening, consider what that means. There is a game we may not both understand.
When these things keep going on, the results may not be nice for anyone. What would you have advised Yaya at this moment?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 20:34:26
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Originally posted by kobo
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Originally posted by Moe
You do have an alternate and sharing it with the rest of the world means telling everyone you are UDP Karamba. The only reason why you would particularly choose not to mention your leader is evident. How was work yesterday?.........................................Peace
NO MOE. OPPOSING THE REGIME & BEING BITTER OR AGAINST THE SYSTEM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE U A UDP KARAMBA IS VERY VOCAL FOR REGIME CHANGE BUT NEVER OPENLY AFFILIATE WITH ANY POLITICAL PARTY.
EVERY CITIZEN HAS SOME SOVEREIGNTY, POLITICAL RIGHTS & RESPONSIBILITIES; "FOR THE GAMBIA..OUR HOMELAND...THAT ALL MAY LIVE IN UNITY...FREEDOM & PEACE EACH DAY!"
Most absurd of all people are those who persist on peddling false information without the courtesy of reasoning.
Clearly Kobo, you have made the point. Where a gang of bandits prefer the name tag AFPRC, what is wrong with good citizens forming a decent political party and standing by the flag of their party; UDP, PDOIS, NRP and so on.
When the political atmosphere becomes cleansed off Yaya Jammeh and his thugs, and there is a choice between that gang (AFPRC) and any decent civilian party, it makes the biggest sense to be part of any political group in Gambia except the bandit lot.
Gambia is experiencing a political polution since Yaya invaded with guns to impose his illegal disorder. My challenge against the Yaya lot is about that illegality.
Evidently, there has been more illegal events in the times of this Yaya siege and the trend continues, topped by the current drug menace.
Toubab1020, you have all powers to sign off. A question was hanging for your attention regarding what you would have advised Yaya Jammeh Does that not matter? |
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Moe
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 20:43:49
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Kobo Listen to me carefully, karamba is UDP period, How can he not have atleast one person he can trust. We have to wait until the state house is empty and then figure out who the new leader is going to be, is that right. He is scared to say what or who he is affiliated with and trust me, he is UDP all the way. How can he be best friends with all the UDP wanna be's yet he is just opposing Jammeh for the heck of it. Are you kidding me or just playing dumb.......................................................Peace quote:
Originally posted by kobo
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Originally posted by Moe
You do have an alternate and sharing it with the rest of the world means telling everyone you are UDP Karamba. The only reason why you would particularly choose not to mention your leader is evident. How was work yesterday?.........................................Peace
NO MOE. OPPOSING THE REGIME & BEING BITTER OR AGAINST THE SYSTEM DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE U A UDP KARAMBA IS VERY VOCAL FOR REGIME CHANGE BUT NEVER OPENLY AFFILIATE WITH ANY POLITICAL PARTY.
EVERY CITIZEN HAS SOME SOVEREIGNTY, POLITICAL RIGHTS & RESPONSIBILITIES; "FOR THE GAMBIA..OUR HOMELAND...THAT ALL MAY LIVE IN UNITY...FREEDOM & PEACE EACH DAY!"
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 21:19:03
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Being UDP or any other decent Gambian political group is more orderly than joining a gang of thugs, thieves, and drug dealers.
Due to the fact your impaired disposition will not permit you engage reason, it is pointless advancing with you because you are not just there.
What will you do with information about who belongs where? From experience since that party came up, the membership and their leaders have proven most civil even in the face of cowardly provocation by the lawless captain Jammeh and his thugs.
While AFPRC remains largely criminal, UDP stays evidently civil and obediently lawful. There are no standards to compare the bodies of people consisting the two groups.
Moe you sound too low to be taken on. But, what would the universe be without clowns? Yes, even bigger fools than we have seen before have right to stay on this planet.
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 21:50:06
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| Trust me I studied the Party enough to stand by my allegations , Who is the GDP affiliated with . So we have a political partiy called UDP and affiliates associated with the Human rights activist such as GDP, the same fools that had their strike dispersed in Newyork calling Jammeh out of his name are they not UDP affiliates? You get to spread the propaganda and the political rhetoric Karamba. Talking about Human rights groups, Now there is a scotland Branch, London Branch, I would satisfactorily say UDP is the most disorganized Party on the face of this earth.................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jun 2010 : 22:28:07
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Good for you if that suits your taste for whatever.
In the world of decent humans, any person who robs a nation by armed force will do whatever it takes to bank on crime and drugs.
With even a small portion of the amount $1bn, any fool will brag of making poor Gambia a city state.
One deal is gone burst. We sit and wait what next.
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