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Santanfara
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 Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 12:25:49
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No Thank you Kay for further elaborating on the poem. I guess, i missed the poem from its ealrier postings.
By the way, some people are branding Ousainou a coward for not willing instigate bloodshed in the Gambia. I wonder whether this people knew how Long Mandela and co endured before forming an arms wing? 50 years.
Jammeh will tumble before then.
One man's hero is another man's criminal. I total reject suiside in all its form. But i also believe that, as human beings we are closer than we appreicate. every single person i know want a good life, no one want to die. It is like Burney waller singing, 'I an I don't want to die, I want to live forever...
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 12:52:49
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Thanks Momodou. Santa, my problem with Darboe in the Peters case is that Darboe appears not to be stepping up to lead his party to the "promiseland". We are not asking him to engage in violence. Violence is out of point. We only ask him to be were he is needed most, instead of always sacrificing the little fish to the crocodile in every step of the way.
It appears that he does not have the courage or not willing to risk limb or life for his party's ideals. Darboe often seems to prefer either to flee to the Senegalese emabassy or dodge the APRC bullet in some other way. It will always take a Femi Peters, a Shingle Nyassi, or a Waa Juwara to risk face-to-face confrontation with the Leviathan. From Ghandi and Dr. King through Mandela, Nkrummah and Lumumba to Aun Sang Su Kye and our own Halifa Sallah (they have all been imprisoned and sometimes beaten up) leaders often visibly match in the front row, sometimes alone to defend the cause of their supporters.
Leadership cannot be given on a silver platter. Not this time. Darboe may be sacrificing in the sense that he has left (not left actually, he just curtailed) a lucrative law practice for politics, but much more is required of him and there are plenty of people who feel that he is not living up to the challenge... |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 18:52:06
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Kay, that statement is wrong, errorneous and misleading observation. It is the police that went after the small fish. Darbo is deliberatly being avoided by Yahya and his bully boys. Anyone who wish to say the truth in this matter without slanting to partisan prejudise will see that Darboe has consistently asked the police to arrest him not Peters. He cannot get himself arrested by force. He has spend time in jail in the past and he is ready to go anytime. However, Darboe works with the holistic wellfare of the Gambia at heart. No amount of irrational kantangarose anti-UDp banter matters.
We cannot be pushed or manipulated by enemies of the Party. we know what intentions some key board commandos have in mind, we are a step ahead of them.
I know your argument, but havent you read Darboe's insistent that he is the party leader, he should be arrested and not Peters. Peters work with Darboe for many years, they are partners, no amount of divisive talk will affect the UDP. we have read the double standard comments, we respect the rights of Gambians to criticise, we do not sheild Darboe. This is why, you never see me attacking anyone for criticising him. However this cannot be said of many who take their party leaders as idols. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 21:10:00
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| Santa, it is indeed daft to think that the APRC do not know who Ousainou Darboe is and when they act as they did against Femi Peters I want to believe they had some devilish intentions behind the acts , could it be a subtle way of "demonizing" Ousainou or sabotaging his image as it were ? The reason for my saying this is that I have a strong feeling that on advise they could avoid picking Ousainou and concentrate on Femi or some other UDP official which by devious intent could be read as Him/ Ousainou being weak or dodging responsibility as party leader rather than picking up the broken pieces of his party's political vase figuratively speaking. I have read several postings where he was being faulted for not facing up to the APRC machine to wit government meddling in his right to be etc. as party leader but then like you said he cannot arrest himself ,what he and his party officials could do perhaps is sit-in protests at detention centres where his victimised officials are being held . Perhaps all these actions being absent has made some observers make those comments which some deem to be unfair on him. The police move to pick on Femi and not Ousainou; might very well be a political ploy as they are willing tools of the incumbent and challenging that tool is a very important step in their campaign for their party political survival. Finally I decry the docile international approach of the world towards the Yaya Regime as they simply condemn it but at the same time seem to be propping it with aids and grants , which he uses for his development programmes and then turn around to castigate them; the West, for various deeds either past or current as it suits his purposes. The GMC party's move to meet donor countries and governments known to be our development partners is a very good move .I applaud Mai Fatty for being upfront in that domain.What is clear though at least to me is that the arrests and jailing of Femi Peters is a political ploy which is meant to cripple the UDP even if it is only to dent its image but I also hope the UDP is aware of this and can forge ahead these and other obstacles notwithstanding. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 09:29:13
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Kaanibaa, I can't agree more. The systematic opportunist who wish to take advantage of Peters arrest will fail to taint Ousainou standing and commitment to stand for his supporters and Gambians in general. I guess they fail to appreciate that, Ousainou has been fighting suppression since the PPP regime. However, politics is about complicated choices, people if they don't like you just don't Including myself, we tend to look for what is of favour to us.
Yesterday the UDP held a serious crisis press conference at the YMCA and the diplomatic copse was blame for their softy softy approcach to Yaya Jammeh.
The UDP wish to make it clear, Gambains are now ready for a revolution spareheaded by civilians. Yesterday's press conference was a rare one. Timing and the conditions are everything in a democratic country. Look at Krystistan yesterday, things can change very quickly, but we at UDP wish to avoid mass lose of life. But to question our commiment is rediculous.
Thanks Kaani for the sound comments, the plot is also to create artificial divide between Peters and Darboe, they will fail. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
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Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 10:01:31
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I think the reason that Peters was arrested and charged instead of Darboe is simply that Peters was the one who applied for a permit to hold a rally. Also Peters was the one who submitted the application, and when there was no response to the application from IGP's office again it was Peters who went in person to inquire about the status of the application. He was told there that the application was not approved verbally. But then the UDP went ahead with the plan to hold the rally and in deed held the rally and Peters was present.I believe this is the legal basis for Peters arrest and prosecution. In crisis situations like this where conflict escalation is inevitable, leaders worthy of their name come to the fore and take charge instead of delegating critical responsibility to subordinates who are likely to perish in the process.
Lawyer Darboe has a well documented history of avoiding personal confrontation with or posing a direct challenge to the APRC government...
When Decree Number 4 was enacted in the Gambia in 1995 banning political propaganda and assembly, my heroes, Halifa and Sedia did not send subordinates to publish and sell Foroyaa newspaper; they went out into the streets themselves flashing the newspaper for the public to buy and read in open defiance of the dictator. That is what leadership is about. In the 1960s when the U.S. riot police with water canons and angry dogs attacked civil rights protesters, Dr. King, Malcolm X, etc didn't sit behind and come out only after the heat is dissipated. They led their people. They were the first to come out for others to follow. Same with Gandhi, Mandela, even the late Mrs. Bhutto did not relent under the Taliban's threat. She matched continously until she was assassinated...
Being the largest opposition party in the Gambia as the UDP prides itself to be, must not just be a name to bask in. It calls for an usual measure of responsibility and challenges that corresponds to that name.
The International Community is not going to remove Jammeh for us. They are not even going to talk tough on the regime unless our specific politicians who particularly adore the priviledge but shun the sacrifice change their ways.... |
Edited by - kayjatta on 09 Apr 2010 10:09:59 |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 15:32:13
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Kay, you are misleading again.
Femi's role is to facilitate the organising and event of the rally. Unless you are saying, it is one man who is suppose to do all the work without deligation, which is dictatorship at best, Ousainou acted according to his role. He spoke at the rally more than anyone. He said things Peters didn't say and he says he takes responsibility for the events.
Gahndi, Mandela and co all deligated, however the police came after them, not there assistants.
You cannot defend the despecable decision of the Police or their witch president here.
They should arrest the leader of the Party if they are realy brave.
Did Martin Lurther singlehandedly organise the marches? Did Buthou acted on her own?
You know politics better than that Kay. I know you guys are trying to make someone look good at the expense of Ousainou, thus fulfilling the stupid dictatorship of a mad man.
Any brave dictator will arrest the leader of an opposition movement, no matter who applied for the permit, who went there and so forth. Peters was doing the bidding for UDP headed by Ousainou. And by the way, the UDP will act according to the wishes of its supporters and it will always focus on peaceful end to difficult situations, if anyone feels that is the wrong way, then call on your party leader to form a ressistant movement, that way, Gambians will have an option.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 17:52:41
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| The question is are we all good at "holding onto" a dangerous snake which is life and kicking together as the Mandeng call it "saa mutahnyo" You see,there are some individuals who are very good at incitement but keep no storage capacity in themselves for joining in at best. What they do is then slip away and watch from the peripheries of the events that follow as if they had nothing to do with the whole affair. What is happening in the country affects all and sundry , even those who might have feelings of kinship or belonging to the party government as the French call it "Partie etat",we all have seen them crumbling down like the legendary nine green bottles standing on a wall.In the end there were none left standing except of course the one that never stood on the wall as it was standing on the side urging the fools to go there.So what we have as discussed by F.Jaw Manneh recently is "watchers" all of us and no one willing to bell the nasty cat on his never ending rampage. I have the feeling that Ousainou has taken on the government in his own way even if that is not appreciated by all, what is clear is that this problem is here to stay affecting all of us. The political impasse on the side of the opposition is not helping either as their joint failure to team up worked against them all . We have people from all sides casting blames hither and thither but in the end I think that they are all to blame, as none of the actions they are taking individually as parties is working for them so creating a washout situation so to speak.Finally I want to say that I do not have all the answers to these problems ,but add that I don't think it will happen for us as expected , I mean an amalgamation of political foes as this is what exists in our country . The country therefore suffers the loss period! |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 22:55:52
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| Precisely Kaaniba. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 23:36:00
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quote:
Originally posted by kaanibaa
The political impasse on the side of the opposition is not helping either as their joint failure to team up worked against them all . We have people from all sides casting blames hither and thither but in the end I think that they are all to blame, as none of the actions they are taking individually as parties is working for them so creating a washout situation so to speak.Finally I want to say that I do not have all the answers to these problems ,but add that I don't think it will happen for us as expected , I mean an amalgamation of political foes as this is what exists in our country . The country therefore suffers the loss period!
YES PRECISELY FOR THE POINTS QUOTED IN RED ABOVE.
N.A.D.D WAS THE SOLUTION FOR A UNITED NATIONAL FRONT
Sorry Santanfara. None is branding Our Ousainou a coward for not willing to instigate bloodshed in the Gambia. Its about weak leadership stance and indecisiveness in certain critical political situations. THE NUMBERS ARE FAKE! IN CHESS ITS NOT THE NUMBER OF PIECES YOU HAVE ON THE BOARD THAT MATTERS. WINNING IS ABOUT TACTICS AND SOUND STRATEGY/VARIATIONS TO OUTPLAY AN OPPONENT
More food of thoughts from related Bantaba Gambian politics topic under Another Open Letter: Will you heed this time?? under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8970 |
Edited by - kobo on 10 Apr 2010 23:53:22 |
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