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lurker
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mansasulu
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 Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 15:17:14
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Holy Bible : - Deuteronomy 22:21-23 - STONE TO DEATH - ADULTRY PUNISHMENT
21-Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you.
22-If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die, both the man that lay with the woman, and the woman: so shalt thou put away evil from Israel.
23-If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24-Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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lurker
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 16:42:09
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so that's all ok then? no sweat. sorry for the inconvenience.DOH!
i don't see the followers of that scripture(christians and jews) doing such things these days.
let's all use all the holy scriptures , written by bigoted men, to justify such outrageous behaviour-not! why you passing the buck? address the issue her,mansa.Why you quoting old testament to justify Islamic "sharia"?
this is in islamic name, not old testament.Universal harmony and peace don't happen when you murder a 13 year old who got pregnant cos she was raped.
totally stone-age..pardon the pun.
man has thus , apparently, got nowhere in the last 2 millennia.
problem here , mansa, is you.
you typify why many people equate Islam with the dinosaurs..
You justify this kind of pre-medieval nonsense with outdated , 2000 year old, inapplicable-to-modern-day sensibilities.Head in the sand. Unable to modernise and co-exist.
You , as a devout Muslim, living in the present, should not defend such crass human behaviour.
If people are Islamophobic, it is because of this kind of behaviour, and the *****ic defense of it by people who should know better...like you.
I suppose you think beheading, amputations, FGM, are all OK as well?
God (whomsoevers) help the world. |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 18:10:16
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| You are missing the point like you always seem to do. I am just sharing a piece of the scripture I have no claim of authorship of. Just sharing...and nothing more...Why are you trying to suppress the spread of knowledge and information? Will the spread of information not lead to fostering the Universal harmony and peace we are all yearning for? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 18:30:09
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Mansasulu, who are you trying to fool? Reacting to Lurker's posting with the abject story about the stoning to death of people (doesn't even matter what they did to 'deserve' that, it's downright inhuman) with some bible texts from which we are to conclude that also Christianity thinks this is the right type of punishment for 'adultery', and presenting your reaction as 'sharing information' is hypocritical to say the least.
People who adhere to this sharia and people who react to it like you do, are the source on which right wing politicians like Wilders are feeding.........
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 18:43:58
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Lurker is a big fan of Wilders. I am surprised you missed that. He posted that story to get a reaction and he got one now you of all people is offended. Are you trying to muzzle me? What happened to free speech?
Anna, believe me I did not make those biblical verses up. I swear it is in the bible. Check it... |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 18:59:35
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I know it is in the bible! Guess what, primary and secondary school i was in the care of nuns  !
Catholic upbringing and all that, but nowhere on earth people are putting these old words into practice - not in any 'Bible Belt'. But now in Somalia 'Islamists' are doing these horrendous things - shouldn't we be allowed to object to them??
I am a big fan of free speech and that is why i think even Mr Wilders should be allowed to open his mouth and say what he thinks he has to say. But i am an even bigger fan of honesty. So Mansasulu, please be honest about what you meant to prove with your bible texts. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 19:18:38
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Originally posted by anna
I know it is in the bible! Guess what, primary and secondary school i was in the care of nuns !
Catholic upbringing and all that, but nowhere on earth people are putting these old words into practice - not in any 'Bible Belt'. But now in Somalia 'Islamists' are doing these horrendous things - shouldn't we be allowed to object to them??
I am a big fan of free speech and that is why i think even Mr Wilders should be allowed to open his mouth and say what he thinks he has to say. But i am an even bigger fan of honesty. So Mansasulu, please be honest about what you meant to prove with your bible texts.
Okay here is why I posted it. I had a hunch that Lurker probably did not know that these verses have their origins rooted in Deuteronomy. If he did, he would probably be able to make "sense" out of the situation rather than blanketly throwing out the claim that it was "nonsense"satisfied now?
Just because "nowhere on earth people are putting these old words into practice"is in no way an excuse to prevent others from following the scriptures. That is the point I am trying to make. Take it for what it is worth. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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lurker
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Posted - 09 Nov 2009 : 19:29:41
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anna, brick wall, banging, head on.. arrange into a sentence that describes talking to mansasulu.you sussed him out as we all have. i missed no point at all. and he cannot argue his way out of a paper bag with the limp tripe that he offers as a form of debate. he put up the quotes as a defence of the in defensible.and it holds no water.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 04:11:56
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Am not competent to defend or argue for sharia law. Adultery is one of those cases for consideration of capital punishment under sharia law. However it is a complex issue to handle cases of adultery for justice meted out as prescribed. These cases cannot be tried by forceful means, harassment or intimidation of the culprits as the BBC news report reflected and certain media reports. It exposed certain limitations of justice and weaknesses in these Somali cases. The confessions and baby born are not enough but most importantly for a proper trial/defence is that they need to consider "a minimum of four witnesses that clearly caught them in the act (of sex) are required under sharia law" . Sexual activity should not be assumed to happen under sharia law I think if no four witnesses can clearly proof that; the case can be very weak to properly dispense the capital punishment There could be some serious errors in the arrest and trials Sharia law under Islam has flexibility I reasonably believe!
Every child (even from pre-marital sex) has right to live but every parents can commit or liable to own sins. A sin is sin; whether minor or major and seek forgiveness of God in every prayer!
"Out of darkness came light!" For that child can be good with righteousness, belief in Islam and full of piety.
No one should condemn for Allah is best judge ever!
More useful information for sources of sharia law and adultery under http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_adul2.htm |
Edited by - kobo on 10 Nov 2009 04:30:13 |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 16:39:15
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Originally posted by lurker
anna, brick wall, banging, head on.. arrange into a sentence that describes talking to mansasulu.you sussed him out as we all have. i missed no point at all. and he cannot argue his way out of a paper bag with the limp tripe that he offers as a form of debate. he put up the quotes as a defence of the in defensible.and it holds no water.
pathetic.
Folks, I am not making this thing up...more food for thought!
Holy Bible : - Leviticus 20:10-22 - STONE TO DEATH - ADULTRY PUNISHMENT
10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbor's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
11 And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
14 And if a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they; that there be no wickedness among you.
15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.
16 And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
17 And if a man shall take his sister, his father's daughter, or his mother's daughter, and see her nakedness, and she see his nakedness; it is a wicked thing; and they shall be cut off in the sight of their people: he hath uncovered his sister's nakedness; he shall bear his iniquity.
18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
19 And thou shalt not uncover the nakedness of thy mother's sister, nor of thy father's sister: for he uncovereth his near kin: they shall bear their iniquity.
20 And if a man shall lie with his uncle's wife, he hath uncovered his uncle's nakedness: they shall bear their sin; they shall die childless. 21 And if a man shall take his brother's wife, it is an unclean thing: he hath uncovered his brother's nakedness; they shall be childless.
22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 17:17:34
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Mansasulu, i hope to God you wouldn't even be able to make this up - who could, in these modern times?
But it is in the Bible, as it will probably be in the Quran (since this was modelled after the Bible) so that at the time there would be no misunderstanding: no sex with an animal (the poor thing would have to be killed as well, harmless victim of perverts - would they eat it after the 'punishment', what do you think ?), no sex with your sister in law, or with your girlfriend's mother at the same time as with your girlfriend, no homo sex, no sex with your wife even if she is having her period.
I wonder why they left out having sex with minors at the time, perhaps you have an idea.......
I feel you are now trying to make a mockery out of this sad occurence in Somalia, taking place when you and i are alive. How sad, that there are people in this world today who think the same laws still apply. This was written in the times when they demanded 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth', remember?
Come up with more antiquated texts, why not. Even the Amish know better these days (and there are still strange things going on in those 'sects', mind you).
Well done, have you been studying the Bible all day? I am sure you will have found more worthwhile verses.
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When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 17:51:48
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Anna you seemed to be miffed at me. Whats wrong? I expected you to be a bit levelheaded. I am trying to put context to a situation and you seem to be taking offense. I am in no way making a mockery of what happened in Somalia. You think it is sad, but they think justice is being served. Clearly, our views are far apart and so Bantaba brings us together so we could share ideas in a hope of understanding each other better.
I think I have provided enough biblical verses on this subject, so I promise I will spare you further agony. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 18:01:05
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Steady the buffs !!!
(Obscure English, Wikipedia link,,probably accurate)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffs_(Royal_East_Kent_Regiment)No.5 in the contents.
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Originally posted by anna
Mansasulu, i hope to God you wouldn't even be able to make this up - who could, in these modern times?
But it is in the Bible, as it will probably be in the Quran (since this was modelled after the Bible) so that at the time there would be no misunderstanding: no sex with an animal (the poor thing would have to be killed as well, harmless victim of perverts - would they eat it after the 'punishment', what do you think ?), no sex with your sister in law, or with your girlfriend's mother at the same time as with your girlfriend, no homo sex, no sex with your wife even if she is having her period.
I wonder why they left out having sex with minors at the time, perhaps you have an idea.......
I feel you are now trying to make a mockery out of this sad occurence in Somalia, taking place when you and i are alive. How sad, that there are people in this world today who think the same laws still apply. This was written in the times when they demanded 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth', remember?
Come up with more antiquated texts, why not. Even the Amish know better these days (and there are still strange things going on in those 'sects', mind you).
Well done, have you been studying the Bible all day? I am sure you will have found more worthwhile verses.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 18:08:58
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"our views are far apart and so Bantaba brings us together so we could share ideas in a hope of understanding each other better."
Maybe, but I doubt it 
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Anna you seemed to be miffed at me. Whats wrong? I expected you to be a bit levelheaded. I am trying to put context to a situation and you seem to be taking offense. I am in no way making a mockery of what happened in Somalia. You think it is sad, but they think justice is being served. Clearly, our views are far apart and so Bantaba brings us together so we could share ideas in a hope of understanding each other better.
I think I have provided enough biblical verses on this subject, so I promise I will spare you further agony.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 10 Nov 2009 : 18:10:12
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'You think it is sad, but they think justice is being served'
Mansasulu, that is the saddest thing - that they think these horrible acts are justified, that God wants them to do this.
Now tell me, what do YOU think?
I sure hope you are not going to disappoint me, because i could not believe our views are THAT far apart.
Enjoy reading the Bible, i would like to recommend the book of Esther and Canticles (Song of Songs). They are about love and not about hate  . |
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