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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
 Posted - 03 May 2006 : 22:37:16
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Kobo I am really enjoying your vision of the issue.I strongly believ with you that tribalism was an issue of since not now, not even in jawaras time but since time immemorial, hence in the African concept we all belongs to a particular tribe.But this particular issue (Triblism) is something the African continent has learnt a lot of bitter lessons from, ranging from rituals, human sacrificials to even genocides.This are useless acts that every civilized African should just regret why it even happened.Then we can coexist as people,African nationalist for that matter regardless of which tribe one belongs to.This is the sprite Africa needs today,this is kwame Krumah's vision of Africa .His vision for Africa has no tribal boundaries.The promotion of such visions and ideologies is what we expect of any civilised African leader today.
But what is happenning in the Gambia today,I'm sorry is the direct opposite.Here is a leader (Jammeh) who from inception of coming to power he started ranting tribally.This I can swear that Jawara has ruled The Gambia for thirty years but has never and will dare not pick on a particalar tribe in his speech as jammeeh is prematurely doing.This tells you how tribally sensitive Jammeh is , and to what
extend he can fuel tribalism in the Gambia.
You menthioned about Lamin Nafa Saho's idea of reading the news in Mandinka just after english,well you are entitled to you opinion, but to me that is not at all tribalist,if the mandingoes formed 40 pecent of the Gambians,then truely it makes sense.Then wollof though not majority if compare to fulas, but the wollof language is understood by many gambians than fula language, then wollof after the mandika and then the fula language.these are all in line with fair play and democracy not because Jawara was a mandinka or Lamin nafa SaHo, but demoracy is always aliegned to the majority as in the general elections and even in the national Assembly.
But if you visit the Gambia today, the first thing you will be greeted at the Airport is a jola boukarabou,you tune GRTS Cultural show is totally exclusive to the Jolas, national events are all dominated by the jola cultural events.I got a friend who live in America but comes to the Gambia for roots festival, she even thaught Kunta kinteh was a jola Man because when she was in the Gambia all she was sudjected was to do with the Jola culture of doing things.Now even the Boukarabou players are honoured national medals, for what archiement for Gods shake?every gov. office in the Gambia today is either headed by a jola man or deputied a Jola.Jammeh has gone to an extend that he has extended his tribalism tantangle to supporting Jola men in Cassamance eventhough he knew that this is at the detriment of our relationship with Senegal.KoBo do you want to tell me that this was what Jawara and the mandinkas were doing during PPP?Just go to Banjul and see, you will think that the Gambia flag is now green.one Jola man has pegged the entire streets from the Airport to Banjul permanently with green flags for what motive? thank God Gambians are very patient people. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2006 : 22:50:50
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| Am sorry Dembish Lamin Nafa's action was truely tribalistic as sentiments hieghten when this occur which is unforgivable to him. Even the way you are posting to this sensitive topic you forwarded as a scenario appears to show your true colours as more tribalist than Jammeh. Why are you repeating slander against an ethnic group that share equal rights with every Gambian. |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2006 : 23:13:21
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| What do you expect me to be, if you are trying to democraticed jammehs tribalist acts in the open together with yours,and classified Jawaras act as evil and tribalist, what should you expect from others. let me tell you not all people could be fooled all the time. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2006 : 23:27:41
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Originally posted by Dembish
What do you expect me to be, if you are trying to democraticed jammehs tribalist acts in the open together with yours,and classified Jawaras act as evil and tribalist, what should you expect from others. let me tell you not all people could be fooled all the time.
Dembish I have not said anything like that. Please review all my postings as evrything I mentioned is substantiated. I would repeat again that tribalism is pertinent in Gambian politics but the word of caution is the way it is being addressed as it is a very sensitive topic. What does "teri kafo group" and Lamin Nafa Saho's action imply at that very time in the days of Jawara? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 May 2006 : 23:41:45
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DEMBISH,
Yes these days tribalism is on the loose. But it would unfair to think that its only Jammeh who is at fault here. The Incident reported by KOBO here, had indeed raised eyebrows then. LETS ACCEPT FACTS IRRESPECTIVE OF OUR STANCE! There no use crying over spill milk. LETS REMEDY THE SITUATION |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2006 : 23:42:12
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Originally posted by MADIBA
TRIBALISM HOW I SEE IT
Until recently there was not much said about tribalism in The Gambia. When i was young i could remember, in my village we moved in groups and these groups are always mixed, FULAS, JOLAS, SERRERS AND KARONNINKAS AND MANDINKAS. Believe it we all speak Mandinka even amongst ourselves. If we are not speaking Mandinak then we speak Wolof, though in the group there was no Wolof and only one mandinka. The reason why we spoke Mandinka, was becos some of the Fula boys had Mandinka moms, Jolas too especially the ones from Sintet(Daltons' place) speak fluent mandinka and some Fula.So believe it we only speak our maternal languages when we are at home speaking to our parents. At that time we joked amicably about all the tribes. The Mandinka's we teased"SOSSEH DOU SOSSAL KEN" meaning a Mandinka things of himself only. Serrer's we teased that they were too Dark. The Fulas we joked are betrayers and only know about cattle. Jolas we joked are only good at dancing BUKARABOU.The Karoninka we teased don't share especially their girls.
It was all jokes in the good old days. But now some people are using tribalism for their selfish gains. I urge all positive Gambians and friends to SAY NO TO TRIBALISM AND TRIBALISTS. I am married to another tribe other than my own. My mom and dad are from different tribes. In our compund we speak both their languages fluently. We tease our cousins and vice versa. Thats the way it should be.
Since we allowed it to come we should remove it completly with all it takes. People like brother Mathew should preach the gospel of LOVE AND NOT HATE AS IN HIS POETRY.Brother Mathew is living outside the Gambia like most of us, so it would be suicidal to preach hate whilst you are safely stashed away in god's own country(America).
We should take a leave out of the Sintet people, where Fulas, Jolas, Mandinka live in peace and harmony for longtime.They speak each others language without scorn. I just gave Sintet probably its an area where the president comes from and where major tribes are living side by side.
LONG LIVE THE GAMBIA, DOWN WITH TRIBALISM!
I have had similar upbringing. In our village we speak fulani mostly even though there were mandinkas and wolofs. It never ever occured to me about my tribal affiliations. Ofcourse we teased each other for fun just like you said. My brother are experts in Fulani and if they did not tell you, there is no way you can know.
For goodness sake, lets see beyond tribe. For me it is just natures way of adding spice to the world just like you will add spices to your mexican buritors.
It is a weak form of identity and should not be encouraged from any one. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2006 : 23:45:13
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Kobo but you do not condem jammehs acts either,do you? but rather laid emphasis on what happens during PPP era this simply tells me which side of the fence you sit on.
Again, If the imam drums who should you blame for dancing? |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2006 : 23:45:49
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Dalton1
Good to know you are from Sintet. I have a friend there. Pa Duta. Is he ok. My greetings to him and his family. Infact my son is named after someone who has his family from Sintet. It is a small world.
I enjoyed the milk. I missed the JARKEH and SAMBA HAKUNDO. ON JARAMA MISIBEH AM. (EXCUSE MY HAL PULAR) |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
Edited by - kondorong on 04 May 2006 00:18:06 |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2006 : 23:51:13
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| Madiba,Jammeh is not the only one, but as at now he is the leader of the Gambia, he should lead is preventing it but he is doing otherwise.If he is not the leader and the tribal mouthy one,who will care? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 00:03:57
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Originally posted by MADIBA
DEMBISH,
Yes these days tribalism is on the loose. But it would unfair to think that its only Jammeh who is at fault here. The Incident reported by KOBO here, had indeed raised eyebrows then. LETS ACCEPT FACTS IRRESPECTIVE OF OUR STANCE! There no use crying over spill milk. LETS REMEDY THE SITUATION
These are past incidents that should be brought up to reflect upon them Madiba to gather some positive things on them as they are relevant to this topic. I used them and discredit them as bad precedents that existed for us. The "teri kafo group" was being institutionalised to rally them against certain tribe and resulted in failure as its bedrock was solely attempt to discriminate and segregate in a small country like Gambia. Discrimination and segregation is definitely against the norms of present day civilisation. Likewise the actions of Lamin Nafa was also a bad precedent as in some quarters thats how it was interpreted with suspicion. They are highlighted to realised that ceratin actions are truely tribalistic and bad for us.However Dembish, your mention of "bucaraabu" is nothing but discription of a cultural drum and which is not different from "tangtang ngo", "sabaar" or any musical drum. A drum is a drum and does not have any bad connotation but used to add more lyrics for entertainment for called any other name in any dialect.
Finally if we want to chart a very promising future for the common good of Gambians we need to critically review milestones, typical incidents or peculiarities that occur in the past and are happening presently to remedy the political situation. A present day scenario is brought up to for discussion therefore we need to search any pertinent issue that it relates to whether past or present. Seranata have highlighted what happen to the red indians in their dark days or history and Rwanda's tragedies. If similar wrongs were seen to happen in this country I should brought it up to help us remedy them for a better future and more progress. |
Edited by - kobo on 04 May 2006 00:31:29 |
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Galo Sowe
Sweden
116 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 00:30:57
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| I am interested to know the role of Banjul Mafia and the Teri Kafo. What influence did each have in the first republic? |
"Soldiers are experts at camouflage but that is on the battle field not the political one, were transparency is the watch word" Kaaniba |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 00:33:39
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| Who are the Banjul mafia. i just want to be sure before i respond. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 00:40:06
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| You sound funny Kobo, if drum is drum wyh not the sabarr of the tangtango as you putit, why is it always Boucarrabou all the time and everywhere but not not the others.You menthioned terikafou ,Are you aware are of afiyjang group,somita badingkea, etc what is their motive other than tribalism.I tell you what lets face tha fact and stop pretending. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 00:55:42
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| To put you on track Dembish.Some bad symptoms of the PAST were about"teri kafo" and some bad deeds similar to Lamin Nafa's action amonsgt other kind of manipulations or divide and rule policies and dominations within the civil service. PRESENT refers to what you are finding difficult to put accross with the allegations you are posting in this topic including your descriptions quoted here. However some suspicious actions of misrule of the nation in the PAST are similar to the PRESENT. Now let's used these experiences in a more positive manner for a better FUTURE that remedy these civil crises of mistrust and intolerance. |
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Biraago
Gambia
173 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2006 : 01:10:47
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Dembish,
I think you are missing Kobo's line of thought.
The whole enterprise to remove Jammeh at the helm of State political management is all-inclusive.
If you follow the agenda of NADD, it is not only to get rid of a tyrant but all the evil vestiges of our society as a people.
Inorder to succeed in ushering a democratic and properous Gambia, our personal backward attitudes and that of the political, social, cultural, academic and economic leadership must be transformed to a progressive one to correspond to our needs and aspirations of a harmonious country/continent.
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Galo Sowe,
this part of an article that apired sometime last year in the Allgambian. Take it as an introduction.
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During the 1982 elections, Jawara and his new found colleagues who were divided into three groupings, namely: a) the Teeri Kafo (made up of few Mandinka speaking intelectuals who were and are still using people who speak this particular language and adhere to a common culture under the same title), in order to realise their personal ambitions and aspirations of leadership and financial wealth. These intelectuals have always been in alliance with member of the same group who were in the opposition and non- political professionals in diferents institutions. Sheriff Dibba and Osainou Darboe among others were also cooperating behind the scens among others.
b) the President Youth Action Group which was made up of minority intelectuals and business peoples who spoke Wolof, Fulani and sarahule, Aku (english creol) and adhere to the same common cultures). These people were also safeguarding their own personal ntrests using weaker people who were their kins. One can say that their had been entent cordial between these groups in the struggle to control the affairs of state.
c) the third and not final group are mostly made up of individuals without he backing of a large follwing like Saikou Sabally, Momodou Cadi Jallow or MC Jallow among others.
These groups were supported by groups of Alkalos, Chiefs, managing directors, Permanent secretaries, senior head masters etc.
Some of the main operation centers were the commercial and development bank were loans were given to supporter/clients with BB Darboe (Teeri Kafo) and Ousainou Njie (President youth action group). Others were the Ministry of education and particularly the scholarship section, the various embassies, the international appointments in different UN and other agencies, fisheries and other lucrative business areas, the National Trading Cooperation or NTC to name a few. Supporters and clients who received favours are expected to be loyal to leaders of these groupings and serve their ambitions.
More insight later.
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