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dbaldeh
USA
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 Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 21:41:49
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By now Gambians are unfortunately getting accustomed to Jammeh's brutality and his negligence to rights of Gambians to live in dignity and peace.
We have seen all kinds of human rights violation in the Gambia which seems to have no end in sight. People who blindly support Jammeh are blindly turning their eyes to these massive violations of our citizens' rights..
However, this story takes Jammeh and the Gambian story further. It demonstrates how much people are willing to aid a dictator beyond any imagination.
Read this story from our reporter who was an eye witness to this account. It makes you wonder what next for our people???
http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2009/08/26/an--eye-witness-account-to-possible-worst-human-rights-violation-in-the-gambia.html
You will question why and who was this person and what were they hiding???
Why would the senegalese authorities allow such violation across their borders?
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
Edited by - dbaldeh on 29 Aug 2009 21:52:13 |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 21:54:06
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When an African is out to get you ,there is no escape thats for sure. C'mon guys enjoy discussing this made up garbage by an unknown eyewitness. When the fire man raped the little girl it was Jammeh's fault too  . As a matter of fact everything that goes wrong including the unprofessional officials ,it's all Jammehs fault.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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snuggels
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Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 22:00:19
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Moe
" . As a matter of fact everything that goes wrong including the unprofessional officials ,it's all Jammehs fault."
Said it before Moe it goes with the job "The Buck Stops Here" |
Edited by - snuggels on 29 Aug 2009 22:00:54 |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2009 : 22:15:46
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| When he says he has "raato Kurang" ,they say listen to the dictator ,when he says I will arrest anyone who breaks the laws ,thats witch hunting. Every Gambian you will ever meet is above the Law and above scrutiny, a testament of which is evident here recently. Unless you don't know Gambians. In 1992 the Jawara regime had children in their jails at Kotu police station for weeks , they were nothing less than 13 and 15 and their crime for being there was loitering around the TDA. I saw that for my self and Once in a while Karamba would even scream and slap them around . Don't blame the unprofessional behaviour on Jammeh. what he inherited was less than perfect. You know what happens when people fall under the entrapment of the law they say Jammeh is a dictator. As a matter of fact Jammeh is also responsible for the pedophiles marrying and screwing little children and the FGM being practiced by Villagers . Go tell that to the Gambians who are actually doing it and tell them Jammeh says he will ban all that and see what happens .......................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 29 Aug 2009 22:31:35 |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 00:48:27
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| Moe you are definitely screwed up in your head now, Are u implying that those things happened under Jawara so jammeh is free to do more with impunity?If so whats is the reason for him forcefully toppling a PPP and govement just to be worse than them.One thing is written on the wall, Gambians were free under Jawara than Yahya Dictator Jammeh.I have never hard of jawara sending witch hunters around,neither blues boys and girls,non giving order to massacre innocent demonstrating students, or shamelessly telling our fathers how many wives they should marry,or banning football matches in the provences during rainning seasons,or forcefully decided the price of commodoties rather than economically strategizing to reduce inflation.Moe do you know that civil servants in the Gambia today are scared to dress in yellow colour and go to work for fear that they will be sideline as UPD supporters which is equals to treason under jammeh.Moe do you know that 75 percent of Gambians hate yaya jammeh as their president and even stay home rather than weasting thier valuable time in paticipating in a manipulative election process.Moe do you know that from Koina to karton, Amdalai to Fatoto, corruption is worse today than ever in the Gambia under Yaya jammeh.Mo do you know that the Gambia hospitals are in the worse condition today than ever.Moe do you know that mojority of Gambians are struggling to feed themselves today.Moe the quality of education under jammeh is sick.Moe do you know that drug abuse in wreacking the youths of the Gambia today than ever, thanks to unemployment under Jammeh.Moe the Gambia Police force is cabbage under yaya jammeh, they re all there for their pockets rather than the law,bribery in todays Gambia is normal and done in the open, if you are in doubt just carry a white man and pass a police cheack point in Gambia today or present a UK or US or any EU nations licence to a police officer at a check point in Gambia today,you will be delayed full time, they will tactically scrutinised your car or documents for faults, if that fails, they will openly ask you for cash.Moe in Gambias today, unregistered mails from Europe and America never reach their addressees,thanks to the economic hardship the country is faced with under Jammeh.So whats better under jammeh? good roads? whats the use to a hungry populace? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 15:57:46
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About political youth movements both regimes had them. PPP of jawara used to have a youth wing. That youth wing may not have been thuggish like their APRC counterparts but were also involved in illegal activities. Mind you am not justyfing anything just a comparative analysis. The banning of raining season fotball NAWETAN, and the use of witchhunters has dictatorial tendencies which neither of them was authrized by the national assembly. Even though the present NA is a disgrace. But those members are Gambians like Jammeh, like you and I, why do they make it a rubber stamp as it is today? Selfishness? Ignorance? Do we blame Jammeh? when my brother who was teacher, a rare but fine physics teacher leaves the classroom for the cozy NA. His children , my children and our kids are left to the mercy of migrant teachers from the sub-region. Please dnt tell me the salary is not good. If that bad salary can attract the sierra leonean, nigerian, togolese and even senegalese, why not the average gambian. no they prefer to come to fortress europe doing all kind of menial jobs if it is available in the first place, esp with the influx of eastern europeans.Fixing price controls is a crude way of fixing the economy i must admit, even though am no economist. If hospitals today are worse than in the days in Jawara why is dat so? and by the way there were only two. RVH and Bansang. Many factors could be responsible, Jawara was receiving more aid than the Jammeh regime. That too could have beeb due to many factors,e.g then world economy was not in crises, europe and the developed world could afford to bankroll our health, agriculture and education. Those days are gone.
If gambians are more hungry, thats a global phenomenon. partly the answer to that problem, is the much scorned Jammeh's back to the land call. i was in the Gambia recently i saw the change in attitude esp the middle level income earners, many of my age mates and former work colleagues had each atleast a farm to grow some form of crop to subsidize . So any family that takes up a little farming activity will alleviate their conditions. that i know for fact.
The youths that want progress are either learning a trade, or is involve in business. Those that are dreaming of utopia can dream on and can smoke anything that come their way. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 30 Aug 2009 16:03:51 |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 17:12:51
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... PPP of Jawara used to have a youth wing....
(MADIBA)
What is the name of PPPīs youthwing? |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 17:17:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
... PPP of Jawara used to have a youth wing....
(MADIBA)
What is the name of PPPīs youthwing?
PPP youth wing. simple as that. no fanciful name like blue boys/girls, green boys/girls. The late Malang Ida Bojang was one of them. Buba Michael Baldeh was onetime their head.
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 17:59:12
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MMMMMMM? Am not sure it is comparable
Thanks anyway |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 18:28:40
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Janko,
The Youth Wing of A(F)PRC -Green Boys and Girls, Men Women, are bunch of thugs who take pride in molesting, torture, and causing endless mayhem on the population in the most beastly fashion. That is what they call defending the July Revolution. They know that their master is happy about that as ways of spreading fear and control.
It is cruelty of the highest order that deserves full condemnation. It is crime against humanity that must be tackled. How can a Head of State mobilise irresponsible thugs to play heavy hand of brutality on society at such scale? This outfit of things is anything far from civilise. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 30 Aug 2009 18:31:36 |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 22:44:08
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You are absolutely right Karamba... in fact the bulk of the so called July 22nd movement were half educated boys who either could not make it through secondary school or were drop outs and could not obtain jobs in the Gambia.
In fact when their first training camp was held at Armitage, I had the opportunity to visit there on my way to the US. Trust me almost all of them were people who could not compete in School much more the job market in the Gambia. They were a bunch of people who could not even write a correct statement.
To those boys it was like heaven.. they got a job and they were willing to brutalize or even kill on behalf of the regime.
What really do we expect from such youths whose only dream can be realized through aiding the dictator... Those are the green boys today and they think they are living large....
See them go down with their head who himself could not compete in a level playing field.. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2009 : 22:53:50
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Dembish the problem with you people is that you are not honest to yourselves for various reasons. What am implying is that we have a very unqualified and uneducated work force . Did you ever consider checking out the literacy rate of the country coupled with migration what you see is what you get.
Since Jammeh came to power he has been taking strides in correcting the many wrongs and trying to take education to the door step of every Gambian not to mention the introduction of the IEC and numerous hospitals , I hate to get into unnecessary debates for you all know what the problems are but so filled with Hatred it's actually eating ya'll alive.
The Social problems you just mentioned ,drug abuse ,corruption ,poverty etc is a societal problem. With all that poverty ,taking second wives and fathering more children is not an issue at all. What am implying is that corruption is deeply rooted in the community this is probably before Jammeh was even born.
The witch hunting business is as Gambian as "Durang" I told you people i was a little man in 1987 when i first seen these witch hunters in Gambian villages sharing their concoctions with the old and frail. Who authorized them or who sent them is still to be determined. The community welcome them and everyone enjoyed watching the old ladies hallucinate.Most of ya'll from villages but i think your villages are in Mars .
The green boys ,i hope you revisit what their purpose is and just like any group or organization they will have the Karamba's within them. You know they are fighting to stop the Gambia from become a desert by trying to plant a million trees ,I hope you join them. They are turning the landscape green bro.
Go to mexico or other third world countries and see what their police do on a daily basis especially if they know you ain't from the neck of their woods.............................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 30 Aug 2009 22:57:19 |
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Dembish
Gambia
284 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2009 : 00:54:24
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Moe nice to have you back on this issue,however i will like to assure you that i am more than happy to engage you on a serious debate on the current state of affairs in the country.I want it to be a mature one and not insults or graziness or else i will abstain from going any further.I will admit any vital points you put across and expect you to accept my point as well and let the people decicde who score more points.
before going further moe, i will like to know your stance to the follwing questions.
1)Moe can you deny that the civil servants now a days in the Gambia don't dress in Yellow clothing,be it Kafthan, Tshirt or sports wear for fear of being targeted as opposition sympathisers?
2)Moe will you deny the fact that the hospital wards in the Gambia are very filty and illequipped,poorly ventilated and lacked the personnel requirement,forget about building them, the equipment, personnel,necesary medication is what is not there?
3)Moe will you aggree with me that the Gambian WEAC Jnr sec and Senr sec results from 1999 to date are getting poorer every year thanks to the government ineffective educational policy?
4)Moe i will put to you that the top civil servants in the Gambia today are ill motivated thanks to lack of job security as a result of the rampant sacking without genuine reasons from Yaya jammeh.this has generated negative impacts on every state department, its a matter of grab and go,b4 someone elses come.
5) Moe in the Gambia today citizen don,t trust each other thanks to the few selfish secrete NIA informers who have put so much fear into people that they tend to keep quite with their feelings than to voice it out and risked being taken away and tortured or even killed by the NIA.
6) Do notice that in the Gambia taday all Alkaloe, sefoos, commisioners,police and amy chiefs and head of government institutions and even private enterpreneurs have to openly campaign for yaya jameeh or risk being sacked?
7)Moe in the Gambia today private occasions such as naming ceremonies are turn into politcal APRC rallys, thanks to jammeh,s claim of curing barren women, who will conceive and gave birth nine months later to call a political rally instead of a traditonal naming ceremony.All national events such as independence celebrations, May day sports, and national football team victories are politicised and dominated by APRC propagandas.
8) Yahya jammeh has wreacked the once peaceful coexistence among tribes in our belove nation and the wonderful tribal jokes,(kallateh) is no more,how said?
9) Moe yaya jammeh has made a lot of bereaving families in the Gambia.
10) Moe when it comes to yaya jammeh, no other Gambian is right only him which is dictatorial to the core.
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 31 Aug 2009 : 08:33:07
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| you got it , dont push your luck partner, If you act mature and adhere to the same principles we won't have a problem ,you'll get your reply tomorrow. This is like drinking water.................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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Moe
USA
2326 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 02:36:33
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1)Moe can you deny that the civil servants now a days in the Gambia don't dress in Yellow clothing,be it Kafthan, Tshirt or sports wear for fear of being targeted as opposition sympathisers?
That much i don't know, but what civil servant would wear a yellow Khaftan, yellow Tshirt,or sports apparel to work. what about the dress codes,I think you are over exaggerating right now. Who wants to be twitty bird. I have been to government offices and the dress code is African attire or Pantolong and tie.
2)Moe will you deny the fact that the hospital wards in the Gambia are very filty and illequipped,poorly ventilated and lacked the personnel requirement,forget about building them, the equipment, personnel,necesary medication is what is not there?
The personnel problem is a social issue,all our qualified nurses and young doctors prefer Babylon to Africa. Save up enough cash ,get your family to help you to travel for greener pastures or education , It's not as green as it used to be so that quick hustle scheme and going back home remains a dream . Hospital wards all over the world especially third world countries are ill equipped and mostly filthy but i will disagree on that Part for Gambian hospitals ,I think your problem is having to see a lot of poor and sick people . I have seen the hospitals whats dirty about them please explain!!
3)Moe will you aggree with me that the Gambian WEAC Jnr sec and Senr sec results from 1999 to date are getting poorer every year thanks to the government ineffective educational policy?
The transition happened when jammeh was coming to office if am right,prior to that we had a completely different system . It was a trial period if you ask me ,It was not a system that was in place for 30 years and is deteriorating,this was anticipated . As a matter of fact it comes back to the migration issue like My man Madiss said ,think about it ,why is it that Gambians don't like to teach for the sake of educating a child.
4)Moe i will put to you that the top civil servants in the Gambia today are ill motivated thanks to lack of job security as a result of the rampant sacking without genuine reasons from Yaya jammeh.this has generated negative impacts on every state department, its a matter of grab and go,b4 someone elses come.
I'll motivated that's total incompetence and it comes back to the same issue grab and go ,when ya'll gonna stop grabbing or do you think you should stay a long time and grab as time goes on ,you know the exact reasons for the random firing , If you let me run a post office i can guarantee you not a single mail will go missing cos i will have all the measures in place to make sure missing mail is the last of our problems.I know several people who are living up to expectation and the last thing on their minds is job security,they have absolutely no reason to fear for their jobs. Only an unscrupulous individual would think about grabbing to make sure before they are fired for stealing, might as well get something out of it now.
5) Moe in the Gambia today citizen don,t trust each other thanks to the few selfish secrete NIA informers who have put so much fear into people that they tend to keep quite with their feelings than to voice it out and risked being taken away and tortured or even killed by the NIA.
This is exactly what happens to a paranoid society,I know we don't trust each other and the incompetent NIA is not helping much either but a country with security issues as has been documented ,Please explain to why the security forces will not be vigilant when the laws are being broken left and right,I will not waste my time discussing "NIA murders" with you simply because if i question you about one proven murder you will not tell the truth.
6) Do notice that in the Gambia taday all Alkaloe, sefoos, commissioners,police and amy chiefs and head of government institutions and even private enterpreneurs have to openly campaign for yaya jammeh or risk being sacked?
I don't know about risking being sacked ,but this has been in practice since the days of the Jawara regime and i will agree with you on that one ,They have no place in Gambian politics but it's evident they have played important roles in making it a sweeping win for anyone they campaign for. If I had a chance today to make it to state house no matter how incompetent i was i promise you I know I can be voted into office every election by collaborating with the right seefoos,chiefs ,village elders and Governors. That's all one would need.
7)Moe in the Gambia today private occasions such as naming ceremonies are turn into politcal APRC rallys, thanks to jammeh,s claim of curing barren women, who will conceive and gave birth nine months later to call a political rally instead of a traditonal naming ceremony.All national events such as independence celebrations, May day sports, and national football team victories are politicised and dominated by APRC propagandas.
What you are attesting to is that you are aware of the fact that the presidents cure is being cherished and celebrated by the people going through the trials .Maybe you should get snuggles here and tell her people are celebrating in Gambia for being cured from being Barren and they are all giving birth to healthy babies. If their only crime is to politicize a naming ceremony Jammeh played a role in Happening. who am i to say ,they cannot be thankful to the man who made it happen ,what you and i think at this point is irrelevant
8) Yahya jammeh has wreacked the once peaceful coexistence among tribes in our belove nation and the wonderful tribal jokes,(kallateh) is no more,how said is that
That's a lie ,Please take a minute and go to One Gambia and go through their comedy section which is aired on TV and see Lamarana and the comedian's making fun of every tribe. Go listen to the jokes about Jolas and monkeys who owns "AWW".
9) Moe yaya jammeh has made a lot of bereaving families in the Gambia.
Once again please don't tell me stories and do answer ,don't speculate and don't lie "WHO DID YAHYA JAMMEH KILL"
10) Moe when it comes to yaya jammeh, no other Gambian is right only him which is dictatorial to the core.
Once again thats just your opinion ,I will not discuss what your opinion IS........................................Peace
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 01 Sep 2009 07:36:45 |
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