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Karamba
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 Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 19:10:36
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Originally posted by Aku_pickin
Turk, anyone with an ounce of intelligence can understand Kayjatta's point. I would advise you to refrain from commenting on our beloved Gambia and perhaps shift your focus to Turkish polictics primarily the Armenian atrocities, genocide committed by your nation; which by the way even the US and the Obama Administration has now acknowledged. You see Turk, you are correct in that Gambia is 90% muslim; however religion, including Christianity has never meddled in our politics depspite the fact that our first President was Christian and later converted to Islam. We all live in peace and resepect each other as brothers and sisters. You clearly don't understand Gambia, Gambians and our culture of religious tolerance and seperation of state and religion. I hope you get englightened and see things in a different light. Peace Bro!
Bombs from Turkey
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/03/13/turkey.iraq.kurds/index.html?iref=newssearch
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 23:05:31
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lol. March 13, 2009 -- Updated 1857 GMT (0257 HKT) the article is almost 10 days old, you are not current, Karamba :)
One thing I need to understand. How Aku's post relates to this link?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 23:18:13
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Turk you wrote and you also asked:
"lol. March 13, 2009 -- Updated 1857 GMT (0257 HKT) the article is almost 10 days old, you are not current, Karamba :)
One thing I need to understand. How Aku's post relates to this link?"
This is what Aku _Pickin wrote:
"....Turkish polictics primarily the Armenian atrocities, genocide committed by your nation; which by the way even the US and the Obama Administration has now acknowledged."
My response:
Ten (10) days record is still relevant in History especially when it relates happenings.
What is wrong with facts with 10 days life span? Unless facts are dead, their age matters least when the occasion of recollection arises. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2009 : 23:39:44
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Karamba
Nothing wrong. I was just joking that you are providing a news link 10 days ago. Here is what was funny. You just go to google or some search engine just type Turkey and try to score against Turkey. Karamba, I thought you are wise man, but this move definetly make me re-think if that is true. You are getting personal and that is not good. Look, if you don't like me posting on Gambia, just tell me. The only reason you make this post is counter-argument that 'I am posting on Gambian issue'. Don't be pathetic, Karamba.
So what is really point. How aku's post relates to Turkish army bombing on Kurdish Militants.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 00:32:29
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Quite the contrary, Turk
Let us agree we are dealing with diverse issues at hand. Also we treat various country cases. So much has been heaped on other countries. For balance of spice, I see nothing sinister dropping a line on Turkish bombings. Turk, you are not Turkey in much the same way I am not Gambia.
When I read about Gambia ( I do read so much about Gambia) I refrain from inducing my self into reacting with personal sentiment.
If by mention of Turkey it gets to your nerves that is not my wish. I want us to keep open mind about matters regarding country profiles.
Remember the world is experiencing a learning curve and soon the pride of possession may as well vanish through our feeble fingers.
Adding more flavour, let us keep it sweet Turk. No way of seeking to offend.
Janko will correct me on what some of our people believe about Donkey Talk. Beliefs have it donkeys prefer keeping quiet for very good reason. That reason is because according to the wiser generation, "donkey try to avoid blowing so much foul air lets they polute others"
"Falo ko kuma mang dee" |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 01:25:29
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Karamba
I like to debate on Turkey, however, this is a gambian forum, previously I received feedback that i should not bring issue on Turkey as this is irrelevant to this forum. That is why I do not want to dominate with the Turkey debates.
I welcome any critism/debate on Turkey. However, I am pretty sure that you open this topic not you are sincerely interested in Turkish bombing campaing on Kurdish militant, rather the issue you or others have with me on Gambian position. Your motivation was personal. I am pretty sure about that.
I love my country as much as you love gambia. I can be as critical as Turkish Government/and Turkish society as you do the dame. I am confused that you previously welcome my contribution in gambian politics, but seems like now you are not happy about it. Most important, my contribution here is part of 'freedom of speech. My perspective on Gambia is different than yours. But what is wrong with having different perspecitve. Recently, Janko and Aku made provided following feedback.
1. I don't know, can't know, should not know about gambian politics because I am not Gambian. I disagree, because the social issues and politics are universal.
2. While I am very critical on Gambia, they bring the issue, 'what about Turkey?'. That is wrong.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 01:46:02
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Turk,
Let us keep open mind about matters. May be the issue Turkey Bombings falls in the some negative context. Sorry if that happens to be.
Recently Turk, your postings convey the other extreme of trading in for Yaya Jammeh (even if that has not been your intention.)
What I found out from keen observation is that matters regarding Yaya get too deep in the flesh of many Gambians. He deceived many Gambians for so long a time. There were people who never thought Yaya's was a fake and now they are disappointed by many things being clearly revealed.
To write as if you promote such a person can be seen by some people as so much of mockery or whatever I am unable to describe.
People are fed up with Yaya Jammeh and anyone who plays about seeking to promote him is playing with fire.
If your intention is something different, better you come clear. Yaya and Gambians have reached very critical stages and no mention of him is taken light.
Once again, Turk, my honest opinion is that you are encouraged to discuss Gambian issues but when it goes like some provocative stuff, there are bound to be reactions. I am not sure how some of those reactions extend to.
By all means, go ahead and promote what you prefer but be there to stand the heat. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 23 Mar 2009 : 03:42:06
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Karamba
I appreciate your effort to keep the bridges.
I will repeate this one more time. Gambia's problems in terms of 'government system' and the lack of democracy in Gambia is not due to Jammeh. He is from Gambian society, he is one of you. And there are many gambians who not only have same ideas as Jammeh, but support him with great deal of passion about him. If someone replace him, there is no 'guarantee' that things will be different.
This is where my perspective and Gambians diaspora conflict. When I raise point the reason for Gambia is failing in democracy to the society rather than the president, many people got offended. People do not accept the fact that the next president will come from the same street or villages Jammeh came. Jammeh is the production of Gambian realities. I am sorry, but I do not agree with you guys on this. The lack of democracy in Gambia is not simply due to Jammeh. It has other reasons I raised earlier on other topics. It requires extensive planning and work. I may be harsh or sometime play 'devil advocate' role on politics in Gambia. But I am providing my opinion. You like it or not, that is the idea of debate. It is disappointing that 'disqualifying my opinion because I am not a Gambian'. Gambia's problem happened to other nations too.
The other point is, I see democracy as a tool not an ultimate goal. Many here locked to Democracy like it is a magical stick to solve everything. Which is not true. I say sometime democracy is not good for the nation. Let me give you one example.
When Turkey became a republic there was a this party called Republican People's party and this party was only party until 1950, when democratic party was established. The other parties were not allowed because that time, Turkey had to pay the debt from Ottoman empire (Billions of Dollars with today's estimate due to the compensation we pay for the WW1 and reorganizing the young republic Turkey. Ataturk, the genius, did not want to implement the democracy immedietly because, the political rhetoric would be obstacle for the economic, cultural revolution and we did not have a any democratic tradition before. Just a few years ago, we were monarchy under hilaphet (religious leader). I agree with him. We did not need democracy at that time, what we needed a quick GDP growth and implementing modern revolution like English Alphabet, abolition of Hilaphet, modernization etc. So, when the multiparty election organized in 1950, the Democrat Party came to power and they tried to reverse all the gains Republic bring with the religious motivation behind. 10 years later, the coup took over. It was confirmed that Turkey was not ready for the full democracy.
I assume, as diapora promote democracy, diaspora respect my opinion and don't take it as playing with fire. After all, this is just a discussion/debate which is part of democratic process you guys are talking about. Provocation comes from contributors when to retailate me, they point the faults of Turkey, my nationality. That is not right.
Here is my question to you. Other than Jammeh, what are the obstacle of Gambia not establishing a democracy?
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