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kayjatta
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 13:32:06
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Resolutions that are coming from a toothless bulldog(UN) are tantamount to empty rethoric. We are yet to see a UN backed force invading Israel, or is it becos it is already a Nuke Power? May God have mercy on the poor Iraqi souls whose only crime is they were ruled by man who had nuclear toys. |
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MADIBA
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 03 Dec 2008 : 16:31:07
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UN:
Lies have short legs, says the vernacular. The UN of impaired has nothing to do with its aboriginal name, hell with UN without no relevancy! How many has died in Nigeria recently and how many of its kind are happens around globes daily? Who gives attention out there? So let’s get to our sense to know that life is not life at the same time in some part of the world.
Muslim and terror:
Every child knows the consequences if you don’t let bees in their silence.
And if i sympathies with them then which king is on Throne to stand on my way?
person that goes with them are not afraid and neither shame, they say it clearly in their mind but what happens to them? So hell with small sense of those rats out there.
If you die today you will not die tomorrow!
Peace and solution:
As if we are not seen that those people have different meaning of life. We believe it or not their reason is there which doesn’t matter what kind it is just a terror for us all and should not simply ignored. So if we are willing to solve problems then most go back to its roots to know the reason and solve those problems. But going blind and turning back will bring nothing so
WE MOST FACE THE REALTY!!!!
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turk
USA
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 02:41:16
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081203/ap_on_re_as/as_india_shooting_gunman
After all, not islam, the universal motivator, the money was the motive for some for this terrorist act. I am hoping, some will not plead us, muslims, to step up and improve financial situation of muslims in need.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 08:42:20
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quote:
Originally posted by anna
Awesome, Kay! Thank you.
Who are they fighting, indeed, these shockingly young crazy fanatics. Who told them to do this?? Or is it their own frustration, powerlessness, jealousy, poverty, lack of 'self'?
What a world, where can we go these days to be free from the madness?
Anna, thanks for your post, I almost missed that one. I think this young people are largely indoctrinated through Pakistani-style "madrassas", trained, promised money to their families here and haven in the after life, and then sent on a mission of destruction... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 09:21:21
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Originally posted by MADIBA
http://www.thegambiaecho.com/Homepage/tabid/36/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1329/Default.aspx
The above link is a critical analysis from a security mind.
Madiba: I have read Sam's paper a few days ago, and I must admit that he has raised some very important points and lessons from past scenarios that are worth discussing. I agree that India and Pakistan should talk rather than fight. They should try to collaborate and fight terror together with Afghanistan.
I however think Gaddaffi's terrorist campaign in the early 1980s was not extensively organized and potent as the "new terrorists" we face today. The threat of North Korea, although serious,is not as urgent and unpredictable as the "new terrorists" of Al-Qaeda and their affiliates. Another difference is that both Libya and North Korea are nation states with economic ambitions and a desire to be present and engaged in the international community. Al-Qaeda (is a non-state entity) and Afghanistan under Mullah Omar (a religious despot) have no such ambition. Instead, they sought to retreat from civilization which they consider as the world of the infidel. Therefore, it is doubtful if the traditional methods of containment such as economic sanctions and diplomacy would have worked in the case of Al-Qaeda and the like. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 21:28:39
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kay (and lurker)
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The kind of excuses you make here is nothing but condoning terrorism. Obviously, you cannot condemn the bombings in Mumbai or east Africa, New York, Madrid and London if all you can do is link all of that to the throwing back and forth of blame between Israel and Palestine.This is exactly what I refered to above as being "sympathetic to terrorism either by word or default".
Peter Ustinov: Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich.
To both of you and many others, some muslims, got up in the morning and it is because we are believer of this ideology islam want to kill some non-muslims. Or, others like many muslims (who are categorized as 'moderate', condone the terrorism, or sympathetic to terrorism'. So, the blame on us.
When many pointed out the root of terrorism based on social and political reasons, you make (or support) ridicoulous statements like, moderates are sympathetic to terrorism. Based on your logic, if a social researcher make following claim 'lack of educational/economic opportunities, or unstables family structure creates environment for youths commiting violent crime', you may charge this researcher to supporting violance.
Or based on your logic, you are charging all EU union to sympathetic to terrorism as they indicated that the root of kurdish terrorism in Turkey must be resolved by the improving the economic, social and cultural status of kurds.
Based on your logic, the people who protesting iraqi war are sympathetic to terrorism too.
When I listen to you (and lurker), I felt like Dubya's speech when he talk about 'non existing of WMD, or non existing of terrorist link in Iraq. Or their crusade against muslims.
Let me summarize you (and lurker) position and myself. (In my opinion, both sides are condeming terrorism, although, kay (and lurker) charges me and other muslims who do not involved terrorism directly as a sympathetic to terrorism)
Kay (and lurker): Terrorism is based on islamic ideology. Muslims need to resolve this within themselves. Or Military solution.
My position: Terrorism has no specific colour, religion, ethnicity. The terrorism commited by muslim population have political, national, social base international political conflicts contribute the rise of terrorism. Resolving this requires political means as well as enforcement.
Please correct me if my summary is wrong?
HAMAS, Hizp-allah and LET have agenda to get independence from occupiers (india and Israel). It is true that Al-Qaeda has more international structure. However, your observation of alqaeda being aspires to destroy human civilization or their target is Global citizen reminds me these cartoon serious of superman, fantastic four and the script can be used in some science-fiction cartoon series. They are hallucinations. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 04 Dec 2008 23:19:03 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 22:01:01
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Lurker
You are right no-one asked history but you need one. Not that you don’t know but you need to be reminded. Obviously, it is always convenient for many ‘let us forget about history, focus on now and future’, ‘I am not responsible but what my ancestor did’ but reality we need to go back to history because history is based on repeating events. In our case, both Kashmir and Palestine problem is because of the great Britain. May I remind you during British occupation of Palestine, your government let millions of jews from Europe, and middle east migrate to Israel, and in 1948, after Israeli terrorist attack King David hotel (a convenient excuse for British to give Israel independence) Or giving Kashmir, majority of local population being Muslims, to India, as part of divide and rule is not a reason Pakistanis or Palestinians anger. Or if you believe, these pieces of history are not actually based on political problem, you can still sing your song: Muslims, they just got up in the morning, because they don’t worry about their family, job or whatever, they just want to kill people with NO REASON.
You are right that terrorist have again killed innocent people. Agree. Instead of shunting excuses across, we are trying to find solution. Dialogue? These are all correct, but you are not listening to me, I am the other side.
I am telling you historical fact, this is my story, but you are ignoring me. Or when I say, the root of terrorism has political and social base, you are ignoring me. WHEN I present my case, as part of dialog, you charge me to sympathetic to terrorism. What kind of dialog are you talking about. Or what kind of solution you want to have. Do you want to solution without my contribution? Or do you want to dictate your solution to me. Dialog, you can’t only set up the agenda. Dialog requires to sides. If you charge me being sympathetic to terrorism, this is not a dialog.
Foreign policies have always upset people. What foreign policy? It is a way, more innocent civilians, babies, children, grandmothers killed by the army or uniform law enforcement in iraq, Palestine, Kashmir.
You are absolutely right that it is barbaric to kill that rabbi and his wife. I do recognize the role of moderate muslims to be more assertive, but that is not only way to solve this problem. Westerners people and most important their government fault must be focused as well. I am proposing you rules for dialog. Let us bring our cases. First make declarations of agreements than focus on disagreements.
- I condemn terrorism
- Collateral Damage is as bad as terrorism
- Terrorism has social and political (especially international) base
Bring it on.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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fee_sweetie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 22:03:02
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| Yada yada yada .... in other words, let's not actually speak out about muslims killing indiscriminantly in the name of Allah rather more blah blah about George W, Israel, whatever .... oh what a surprise! NOT .... |
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you'd have good people doing good things + evil people doing evil things but for good people to do evil things it takes religion"- Richard Dawkins |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 04 Dec 2008 : 23:07:41
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Or
quote:
Yada yada yada .... in other words, let's not actually speak out about political and social base as root cause of terrorism rather more blah blah about muslims are being violent people by nature, islam is root for every international conflict in the world .... oh what a surprise! NOT ....
(first time indirectly agree your observation fee sweetie, you are genius, you probably don't realize it but you do have a very valid point).
Fee sweetie confirming the lack of dialogue/progress. She actually made very good point. The problem is people don't listen each other's case. Like the dialogues of deafs.
Is it a death lock? Noone listens other sides.
Verdict: Agree on disagreement. Or what else?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 05 Dec 2008 00:35:11 |
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