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turk
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 21:44:57
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Because he is black: It would be symbolic that a black man becames president, that is a milestone in American history. I would not vote for this though if I was black. It would be misleading truth. When a black person in USA complain about racism, one would say, there is even black president, so stop complaining about racism. So, is racism issue really over in USA? That is debatable. Another issue would be, what if he continues the aggression to Muslims. Those gambians proud to be muslim also black would regret their support for obama. What is more important to you, blackness of being muslim? To me voting for him because he is black is not different from believing OJ to be innocent because of his blackness.
Economic: He is favoring leftist policies. I don't like that. I strongly believe that, 'spread the wealth' is wrong. As a tax payer, I am not supporting Obama and his policies. I am not fan of big government. So I would not vote him for his economic policies.
International: That is the only reason I am supporting Obama. I had enough with hawkish evangalist foreign policies. Obama will not change much but he is promising more consensus base foreign policy, that is why I am supporting him.
There are other reasons, for example he is younger, he is handsome, media supports him. What else? Why would you vote for him, Why wouldn't you vote for him? Provide your perspective as yourself and as a marsian.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 00:40:44
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 02:24:44
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Always. I do not think so. Big government, welfare state, budget deficit not always better. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 10:36:56
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Originally posted by turk
.......... I would not vote for this though if I was black. It would be misleading truth. When a black person in USA complain about racism, one would say, there is even black president, so stop complaining about racism.
.......... I strongly believe that, 'spread the wealth' is wrong.
well i suppose 'whites' who say they are poor should be simply slapped for not making it since there has been a white president for more than 200 years.
Americans have been used to black/hispoanic mayors for decades now and that's where the real daily meaniningful politics happens. at the city level. so i dont think they stupid to think a black president would end racism. its not only 'black' who suffer racism.
perhaps you also think a latino president would mean no more border post/fence on the Mexico border.
on your second point, i think its interesting to see that you strongly believe spreading the wealth is wrong.IT IS IN FACT NOT WRONG the best example of this is in Europe. in fact the most stable and wealthiest countries like Sweden, Norway are countries that DO SPREAD THE WEALTH and not only do they have the highest standards of living, they're also the least corrupt societies in the world.
i sincerely envy, admire and respect the free education, healthcare and social nets in the UK and Western Europe.
i find it difficult to relate to you after all your previous postings about poverty in Africa etc and you think its ok for people to live in a country side by side with acutely poor people.
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jambo
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 15:56:33
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   why vote for obama,
why not vote for obama,
i have friends who are black republicans and black democrates (loverly balance of friends)
for the democrates he is MALCOLM X, by any means necessary, Louis Farakhan younger brother/cousin, these fews are based on him being black and a 50% percent muslim. They know he is a christian but they also know that he has muslime blood relatives. BLOOD IS THICKER THAN WATER,
they also like he speaks to the masses, think speeches from Malcolm X and Louis Farakhan =, both men can hold an audience and not miss a beat. BOTH HAD LARGE, LOYAL FOLLOWING.
now for the republicans they are reasons to not VOTE FOR HIM, for them the issue is WHO ARE HIS FAMILY, show me his cousins ( that means the african side of the family) what happens if he gets into power??? who comes to live in the white house.
MONEY, he is rich, but follow the money trainl who is footing the bill, his campaign has not financial bounds, (THAT WAS HIS CALLING) HIS CHOICE NOT PUT A LIMIT ON CAMPAIGN SPENDING, some see it as NOT QUITE RIGHT to spend so much in this econmic climate.
READ HIS BOOK, he was a junkie and mixed with some unlikeable people??! and that is what is known about him.
HIS WIFE, MISS THING fromthe big house, her comment abuot being PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, a comment she made after one of his speeches is not hanging well with some folks.
I still think it will be close, watch out for a repeat of one election (florida) had to re vote the lcoals could not put holes in paper?!?!? this is the free world. and THE USA DID NOT HAVE A PRESIDENT FOR A (few days)
just love the american elections   
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 19:07:28
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I will be very very very suprised if Obama wins the US election.
i strongly believe that America is not ready for a black president. for that reason, i have never attached myself to Obama or his campaign emotionally.
I am very positive that Mccain and Palin will be the successors to George Bush and Dick Cheney.
Are we far away from nuclear winter?
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 19:31:21
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Njuks
I think Obama is letting the Republicans get way with the accusation of being a socialist. History has shown that "The Alternative Minimum Tax" introduced by Reagan a Republican Presidnet did actually spread the wealth around.
The tax policy literally gave money back to some sections of the economy who worked during the year but their incomes were below the poverty line. They received checks for that. If that is not spreading the wealth i dont know what is.
Infact the progressive tax system in the United States, is based on wealth distribution. Those who make more contribute more to society. In percentage terms however, a CEO's Secretary pays more tax than the CEO because incomes are not taxed (federal) beyond an annual income of D100,000.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 21:34:03
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njucks
It seems you agree with my first point. To vote someone based on colour/race does not make sense. good.
Second point, I do believe wealth generation will be eventually improve the people's life condition in the long run and it is 'real growth'. They are not opposing approach in the economic policies. I specifically quoted "spread the wealth" as Obama's economic focus in this election. I thought 'spread the wealth' quotation is obvious reference to Obama's mistake he has never repeated again and McCain capitalized on that mistake. Do you follow election coverage? I was not critisizing re-distribution in general. I did not mean 'redistribution is wrong'. However, wealth generation is more important that 'redistribution' as wealth generation is about 'real growth of wealth', 're-distribution is about spending.
I also support Republican's economic policies over Democrats, as well, just like McCaine. Recent economic problem, financial crisis is not due to Bush's economic policies, it is due to his foreign policies. US decision going iraq is the most important factor for budget/debt america is facing right now. The rise of oil, due to iraqi mess, caused most western economies have trade deficit, obviously growth of China/india also contributed that.
Obama does not address non-of these issues. His focus is totally on 'spread the wealth'. In terms of economics, I would say democrats should get the whitehouse once in every tree term, to redistribute the wealth, but republicans should get two out of three terms so that real growth in economy is accomplished.
Your last point, I am lost. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 20:47:19
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jambo
The similarities between obama and MLK is greater than with Malcolm X. Obama is product of the system like MLK. He is product of establishments, Harward, senate, part of elite. He did not bring nothing new to the table. Malcolm X had very different background. Obama is more like 'I have a dream' type of guy, nowhere close 'any mean necessary' approach by X. Malcolm X is alternative and radical change. Obama is status quo and integrationist. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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musa pembo
United Kingdom
154 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2008 : 23:05:36
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A white man asked his black friend, 'Are you voting for Barack Obama just because he's black?'
The black man responded by saying, 'Why not? In this country men are pulled over everyday just 'cause they're black; passed over for promotions just cause they're black; considered to be criminals just cause they're black; and there are going to be thousands of YOU who won't be voting for him just because he's black!
However, you do not seem to have a problem with that!
This country was built with the sweat and whip-off the black slaves' back, and now a descendent of those same slaves has a chance to lead the same country, where we weren't even considered to be people, where we weren't allowed to be educated, drink from the same water fountains, eat in the same restaurants, or even vote.
So yes! I'm going to vote for him! But it's not just because he's black, but because he is hope, he is change, and he now allows me to understand when my grandson says that he wants to be president when he grows up, it is not a fairy tale but a short term goal. He now sees, understands and knows that he can achieve, withstand and do . .
ANYTHING
By voting for Barack Obama you are voting for your children,born in America,and their children.
Now Ponder the following:-
What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed,pregnant teenage daughter?
What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating
class?
What if McCain had only married once,
and Obama was a divorcee?
What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair
while he was still married?
What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five?
(The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included
discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?
What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly,on many
occasions,a serious anger management problem?
What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer
distribution?
What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected
reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close
as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.
Educational Background:
Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cu m Laude
Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Education isn't everything & there is no doubt that experience can get you to high places, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.
Go out there,and be a foot soldier for Barack Hussein Obama.
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Edited by - musa pembo on 29 Oct 2008 23:21:22 |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 08:28:50
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turk the reason I mentioned Louis Farakhan is because of his stance, he can hold an audience,
malcolm X can hold and audience
Martin Luther King can hold new audience, but if you look at Louis and malcolm both tall weel dress men, well spoken and young.
the black democratics definately think he is a successor to Malcolm X, yuong muslims in american and UK thing he is young louis Farakhan. the issues and policies are not mentioned, it is all about the big crowds, the dreams, it "IS OUR TIME" attitude,
DO NOT BE FOOLED THIS IS A VOTING population |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 10:00:01
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quote:
Originally posted by turk
njucks
It seems you agree with my first point. To vote someone based on colour/race does not make sense. good.
Second point, I do believe wealth generation will be eventually improve the people's life condition in the long run and it is 'real growth'. They are not opposing approach in the economic policies. I specifically quoted "spread the wealth" as Obama's economic focus in this election. I thought 'spread the wealth' quotation is obvious reference to Obama's mistake he has never repeated again and McCain capitalized on that mistake. Do you follow election coverage? I was not critisizing re-distribution in general. I did not mean 'redistribution is wrong'. However, wealth generation is more important that 'redistribution' as wealth generation is about 'real growth of wealth', 're-distribution is about spending.
I also support Republican's economic policies over Democrats, as well, just like McCaine. Recent economic problem, financial crisis is not due to Bush's economic policies, it is due to his foreign policies. US decision going iraq is the most important factor for budget/debt america is facing right now. The rise of oil, due to iraqi mess, caused most western economies have trade deficit, obviously growth of China/india also contributed that.
Obama does not address non-of these issues. His focus is totally on 'spread the wealth'. In terms of economics, I would say democrats should get the whitehouse once in every tree term, to redistribute the wealth, but republicans should get two out of three terms so that real growth in economy is accomplished.
Your last point, I am lost.
Turk your argument is misleading for two reasons:
1. If you look at the history, Democrats have a better track record of economic growth than republicans. There are solid facts to back this up.
2. The idea of "spreading the wealth" is mis-characterized and taken out of context. It does not mean "robbing Peter to feed Paul" as the McCain camp wish to indicate. What Obama mean is "giving equal opportunity to everyone" instead of the top 5% of the population where wealth is presently concentrated as a result of the Republican's philosophy of "supply side economics".
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 10:32:41
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quote:
Originally posted by musa pembo
A white man asked his black friend, 'Are you voting for Barack Obama just because he's black?'
The black man responded by saying, 'Why not? In this country men are pulled over everyday just 'cause they're black; passed over for promotions just cause they're black; considered to be criminals just cause they're black; and there are going to be thousands of YOU who won't be voting for him just because he's black!
However, you do not seem to have a problem with that!
This country was built with the sweat and whip-off the black slaves' back, and now a descendent of those same slaves has a chance to lead the same country, where we weren't even considered to be people, where we weren't allowed to be educated, drink from the same water fountains, eat in the same restaurants, or even vote.
So yes! I'm going to vote for him! But it's not just because he's black, but because he is hope, he is change, and he now allows me to understand when my grandson says that he wants to be president when he grows up, it is not a fairy tale but a short term goal. He now sees, understands and knows that he can achieve, withstand and do . .
ANYTHING
By voting for Barack Obama you are voting for your children,born in America,and their children.
Now Ponder the following:-
What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed,pregnant teenage daughter?
What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating
class?
What if McCain had only married once,
and Obama was a divorcee?
What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair
while he was still married?
What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five?
(The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included
discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?
What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly,on many
occasions,a serious anger management problem?
What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer
distribution?
What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected
reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close
as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes
positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.
Educational Background:
Barack Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in
International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cu m Laude
Joseph Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
John McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899
Sarah Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism
Education isn't everything & there is no doubt that experience can get you to high places, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.
Go out there,and be a foot soldier for Barack Hussein Obama.
Good break down MusaPembo, thanks for that ... |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 13:37:25
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MUSA,
CAN I ASK IS obama past sqweaky clean, did i not read about a few years as a drug addict |
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dylanGER
Germany
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Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 14:22:14
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Originally posted by Formby
Because he's not part of the previous administration. Democrats are lovers, not fighters. It's always the better option.
90% of the Germans would vote for Obama. The world is sick of the
previous administration and Bush. A change is needed.
It will be harder to say "No" to Obamas politics, than to MCCain´s,
cause the people have respect and big sympathy for Obama. Hope he makes it for president.
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While we stand aside and look -
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musa pembo
United Kingdom
154 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2008 : 14:46:22
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Originally posted by jambo
MUSA,
CAN I ASK IS obama past sqweaky clean, did i not read about a few years as a drug addict
Jambo,Obama is not a saint.His past is not whiter than white!But at this particular time and moment in World History,he is a better choice,so let people of good-will continue to pray that the gun of an assassin stays far far away from him.
You are right though,that the election will be a very close call,afterall,the Republicans will use their vast network and wealth to frustrate the wishes of the electorate,but you know what,this
Obama was destined for higher things in the World.
DylanGer,I agree with you sentiment,left to the Germans Obama would be the next president.But remember,the voice of the people is the voice of God. |
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