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dbaldeh
USA
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 Posted - 22 Jul 2008 : 22:35:02
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This is a very promising picture of Mugage and his opponents given peace a chance and trying to work their difference. How it will turn out is still something to really think about.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/world/africa/22zimbabwe.html?th&emc=th
It is promising because for a change African leaders are shaking hands and not cutting each others throats at least for the photo OP. I hope they all come to their senses, forget about foreign influence and think about their people.
Whether real or not, it is a gesture that we have seen in the West; most recently Clinton and Obama who were about to chew each other home. It is all about the people and not personality. Am optimistic.
It is all about their people regardless of what anyone says or think. It is a beautiful picture that some Western powers may be surprise to see. Already we have some comments from washington that are skeptical and fueling.
Anyway, go Africa and make your people proud once again. I pray for peace and reconciliation in Zimbawe. Where there is will there is a way....
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 11:24:26
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quote:
Originally posted by dbaldeh
This is a very promising picture of Mugage and his opponents given peace a chance and trying to work their difference......
....... It is a beautiful picture that some Western powers may be surprise to see.
........ I pray for peace and reconciliation in Zimbawe.
Baldeh,
personally i'm not surprised, nobody loves our Continent more than we do. If left alone we will solve our own problem and sort out our differences.
You would never see this type of picture had the Leaders at the AU meeting done what the UK/West ''instructed''.
i think Tsvangirai, might have realised that it is only in Africa that he will find sincere and true support, the West has forgotten about him when he is no longer useful to them to deal with other fashionable issues Iran, FARC/Bertancourt, N.Korea
We must also thank Thabo Mbeki for his efforts and for staying focused and resisting the outside interference. Now its up to the Zimbabweans alone to shape their future. The text is very clear.i hope they honour their parts. you can read the full text as the SA Foreign ministry
http://www.dfa.gov.za/docs/2008/zimb0722.html
left alone they will reach a solution. lets keep our fingers crossed!
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lurker
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 14:37:09
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njucks, sorry, but you are being very naive here.this situation will unravel in a thousand ways, mostly unexpected. it certainly will not end with a smile and a handshake, mugabe's departure is a critical point after which the MDC will agree to engage, , yet he insists he must be recognised as President to make some concessions.if morgan agrees to that, then he endorses a rigged and violent sham election, which makes him and all he stands for a sham, too.
catch 22.
Mbeki is no hero here, far from it. he has handled the whole quiet diplomacy thing with as much nobility and esteem as a paper bag with perforations.
Tsvangirai stands next to the man who tried to kill him and the rest of his mates, and you still go on about him being some british puppet. change the record.
your view has some meritable points, buit you forget what and who bob is. this will never be about a chat and a signature, never.
this is a parade for the world's press, to get the pressure off for a while while zanu-pf make a new strategy for regaining absolute power in their lost parliament and broken country.
just like hey delayed the results for 5 weeks while they planned their mass murder campaign.
there is nothing honourable about mugabe under the veneer, never has been so why now?
those boys are up to something.
wait and see.
would be nice if i were wrong.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 17:49:54
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This drama shows diplomacy (i.e mediation for "SAFE EXIT!") as a last resort for disgraced Old Pa Mugabe. Nothing to celebrate dBaldeh or Njucks!
Point of observation is that why other break-away factions or other opposition parties not invited or included |
Edited by - kobo on 23 Jul 2008 18:07:02 |
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Momodou
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 18:12:04
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Secretary-General welcomes agreement on framework for talks in Zimbabwe
Commonwealth efforts focused on supporting approach taken by SADC
Commonwealth Secretary-General Kamalesh Sharma has welcomed the 21 July 2008 signing of a Memorandum of Understanding on a framework for negotiations towards a political settlement by Zimbabwe's main political leaders.
He said this was a significant step in the right direction, which would initiate a dialogue towards promoting peace, stability, democracy, prosperity and the reconciliation of the Zimbabwean people.
Mr Sharma stated that the Commonwealth would maintain its ongoing consultations with the United Nations, the African Union and the Southern African Development Community (SADC) and stood ready to support the process in ways that regional leaders consider appropriate, particularly in areas of the Commonwealth's proven
expertise and experience.
Culled from: Commonwealth News - 399, 23 July 2008 |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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lurker
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 18:15:08
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Originally posted by kobo
This drama shows diplomacy (i.e mediation for "SAFE EXIT!") as a last resort for disgraced Old Pa Mugabe. Nothing to celebrate dBaldeh or Njucks!
Point of observation is that why other break-away factions or other opposition parties not invited or included
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kobo
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 18:40:06
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Originally posted by lurker
........there is nothing honourable about mugabe under the veneer, never has been so why now?.
good question, why 'demonise' him now. You should ask this question to the British Govertment who gave him a Knighthood!!!
the MOU clarifies our line of thinking, it strongly CONDEMS VIOLENCE and ''RECOGNISES THE CENTRALITY OF AFRICAN INSTITUTIONS TO SOLVLING AFRICAN PROBLEMS''. We dont need hypocritical western interference.
Kobo, if Zimbabwean sit to find peace for their country.its a good thing. i have nothing to celebrate about zimbabwe even in peacetime.the two MDC factions were there. i didnt see Simba though, good observation. |
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lurker
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Posted - 23 Jul 2008 : 19:34:22
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njucks, i am not really interested in your persistent demonisation of the british govt. they are blameful for lots of things here, but they did not order the murder of hundreds of zimbabwean citizens in order to win a rigged election- bob did and he should be sorted out by whomsoever has the power to do so legally. his knighthood was farcical - of course it was- but you mix the issue of mugabes crimes with the "crimes" of the west in that region. one is not interdependent upon the other. you simply cannot say that mugabe is a murderer because of britain. its crap.
he is a murderer because he is a murderer.
so , if it is africa who should sort him out, then get on with it cos the world is watching.
but do not be so gullible to believe that your own boys, some of whom are rich because of bob,will ever hurt him too badly.
he will wriggle out of justice. that's a promise. |
Edited by - lurker on 23 Jul 2008 19:43:14 |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 10:07:48
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Originally posted by lurker
so , if it is africa who should sort him out, then get on with it cos the world is watching.
if there is a difference between crime and ''crimes'' then there should be a difference between demonisation and ''demonisation''. Therefore you shouldn't think we are equally interested in your/UK 'demonisation' of Mugabe?
i'm glad you're begining to get the point. Maybe should have been watching from the begining rather than the selfish rhetoric from the UK PM!!
we will ''get on with it'', at our own pace,through our own methods(whether you are comfortable with this or not),and find our own solution WITHOUT TAKING ANY INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT/WEST.
our interest is the Zimbabwean people not the mineral and land interests of the UK.
whilst you are watching, you may wish to wonder why there are still no sanctions against UK/Western companies financing this regime you hate so much?
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 24 Jul 2008 : 10:33:55
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One thing we should all agree on, it is better to have a solution that puts a stop to the violence than endless blame game. There is also something strategic that many people turn a blind eye to, and that is the safe exit of a sitting leader.
No matter what crimes one commits, they would want to be assured of their safely once they agreed to leave office. I believe many African leaders clinch on to power because their is no save harbor for them.
Take Jammeh for example, a 43yr old who has no education or business trade, how would he survive a change of government and what would the future hold for him? I think sometimes it just makes sense to be flexible and willing to forgive some leaders for the benefit of the nation.
Now in an event crimes are committed and constitutions are violated, the state can always go back and hold citizens accountable regardless of their status.
The Zimbawe picture is encouraging regardless of what Lurker and others think about it. We have seen politicians slaughtering each other up in the west only to come together and mend their fences for the benefit of human decency and nation's interest. If they can do it, we Africans no doubt can do it.
I strongly belief Africans are still deeply routed with moral values and forgiveness. It is poverty destroys our true humanity. Go Zimbawe. I hope the old Pa conceed and leave office for the younger opposition.
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Baldeh,
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