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njucks
Gambia
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 Posted - 02 May 2008 : 21:30:28
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Ironic isnt , Brown like is enemy Mugabe, loses an election all free and fair. Perhaps Mugabe should interfere in British elections and repeat to Brown his own words that the british people have spoken, and that ''Brown should go''.
a key Labour Official say there's ''There No Crisis''
So this is a question for europeans, mainly. i think we know the African view in general.
is Gordon Brown a great world leader or an interferer in other nations's (esp. Africa's) internal affairs, thereby loosing touch with his own backyard?
or does he represent the New Neo-Colonialist on the map of africa?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7372860.stm
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 May 2008 : 00:16:28
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NJUCKS
"New Neo Colonialist" what on earth is that hip hop language meant to mean?, have a go at Gordon Brown for his mistakes,many though they may be, but using terms like "New Neo Colonialist" do you know what it means? I have not the faintist idea please enlighten me.! I thought that Brown was a socialist,isnt he?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 03 May 2008 : 16:18:41
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i take it you know what colonialism was? thus you would know what neo-colonialism would mean. perhaps an analogy would be Nazism and Neo-Nazism today.
the biggest problem for us Africans is DARFUR. Poor as we may be, African governments' priority is DARFUR. that were Africans are trying to find a solution, even deploying AU peacekeeprs. if the attention/efforts that are be put to get rid of Mugabe were concentrated in DARFUR that would save thousands of lives.
the number of white farmers killed/threatenned in Zimbabwe and the global attention they are receiveing is disproportionate to the attention given to highlight the problem in Darfur.
Blair/Brown Labour's foregn policy in Africa, is neo-colonialist as its aim is to protect the interest of the UK and 100,000 white farmers.
there have been worst elections in Chad,Cameroun, Nigeria, Congo etc did you see such determination? ofcourse not there are no white farmers in thoses countries.
you can read more about neo-colonialism at wikipaedia.
Neocolonialism may simply refer to involvement of powerful countries in the affairs of less powerful countries. In this sense, Neocolonialism implies a form of contemporary, economic Imperialism: that powerful nations behave like colonial powers, and that this behavior is likened to colonialism in a post-colonial world.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocolonialism
i hope this helps |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 May 2008 : 20:17:58
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Well wikipedia.........that's the font of all knowledge of the world, if you read the second word "may" which appears after "Neocolonialism" and the word "implies" after the second mention of "Neocolonialsm" this must indicate that even the author of this entry is rather unsure of what he means. Even wikipedia talks about "Theory" many times in the entry.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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lurker
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Posted - 04 May 2008 : 11:09:35
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njucks, will you please stop banging on about white farmers.
when did you ever hear white farmers in the news in any aspect of this election farce?
the news reports have not featured them.there are only a handful left!
zimbabwe is a shell of a country. overgrown, broken roads, houses and facilities. nothing works. no food in the shops, no fuel, no jobs , no money, no teachers, nurses, no life.
of course the world is interested. nothing to do with "neo-colonialism " interests and farmers.
what the news reports have featured are your fellow black africans being tortured, murdered and beaten to pieces for voting in a democratic fashion. that is why people are concerned. because a raging tyrant is destroying millions of human beings to keep his snout in the trough.
there are virtually no white farmers with functioning farms to "protect", .
there are no real commodity interests left in the country for your cuckoo idea of brown and his "neo-colonial ideas" to get involved with a buggered country that mugabe has created.
and Brown was slaughtered because he is a feeble, spineless lump of a man who has bled every citizen of the UK bone dry over the last 11 years.
.but , thankfully, over here we can vote the tosser out, unlike Zimbabwe, which you seem to know little about, where you pay for your vote with your life.
darfur is tragic and appalling, so is zimbabwe and other countries all over the world.
what's new?
human greed and hatred keeping the world map of tragedies alive and kicking.
so, in answer to your question, from a european, brown is a rubbish leader. he is , in fact, NOT a leader. he is a follower.
he interferes in other countries no more than any other leader interferes in any other country. and no-one can compare the fuss over zimbabwe to the lack of fuss you claim there to be over darfur, as a result of neo-clonialist farming interests. an observation with no merit..
i don't see you slagging off the chinese who have taken over half of africa, whilst simultaneously having the worst human rights record going. they are the real coloniaists of your continent.
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Edited by - lurker on 04 May 2008 11:16:52 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 May 2008 : 12:12:51
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Morning Lurker......Great piece.... Thanks.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2008 : 18:57:12
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its interesting to see europeans react when the question is turned around. ofcourse during the colonial period, the justification was that you were on a ''noble mission to ..... '' and in the post-colonial period ''defending human rights''
your own contibution to this debate mentioned Mugabe killing ''for his massacre of 30000 ndebeles'' (black africans) in the early 1980s. yet he didnt invade any white farms then did he? why wasnt he pushed out then!! Push him out for some mere 30,000 black Africans, that would be too much. He was doing 'Great' then .
today he 'wrecks' a country that is in a better shape than Iraq, and still he has to go. Atleast they can queque and vote without been blown up into pieces. a right the British never gave them.
you think we started this dabate in the Bantaba this year, or have been following this story now.
you dont seem to see the link between farm invasions and the outstanding British concern
by the way, the BBC mouthpiece has dropped ''how Mugabe rigged the elections by printing thousands of ballots papers' . So he can loose an election?
fools or rather Racist bigots/bigotry!!
http://gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5818&whichpage=2 |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 04 May 2008 : 19:31:47
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i think i also mentioned that it is up to africa to sort out its own demons, (and i have never, ever condoned colonialism, which i despise.)
so why do you now see fit to assume that the brits should have "pushed him out" for those massacres in the 80's?
if the brits should butt out now, then how can you ask for them to butt in then?
and , yet again, you deflect the zimbabwe issue onto another troubled country - iraq - and gabble on about bombed electoral queues.
as i said, you seem to know little about Zimbabwe, other than to use it as a tirade against Colonialism, historical injustices etc. you churn out platitudes with no insight .
what you never do, is address the real issue i keep bringing up, which is why some of you Africans spend your whole life attacking the ex-colonists and forget about your own people who are being slaughtered by the very same people who "liberated" your countries from the vey same..
Will you please stop using the colonisation of africa as an excuse for your absolute african apathy for dealing with murderous african ******s like mugabe.
people like mbeki should be exposed for the lickspittles they are.
your brothers and sisters ar being cleansed because he sees fit to cling to Mugabe's liberation exploits instead of of doing something about the slaughter on his doorstep.
blame is fine to a degree.
now move up a degree and blame the current oppressor and stop comparing this to the rest of the world . it is its own problem.
the dying people in that county are not worried about white bloody farmers.
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 10:43:37
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if you do a search on the bantaba you will find these words.. '' African are poor because African leaders have failed to creat a society for their own people to prosper.''.. Africa's problem are Africa made''.. These are my own words.
whilst i understnad you concern for the victims in Zimbabwe, i dont understand your single-mindedness on the issue as does the British govertment. the brutality there is nothing compared to Darfur, which contrary to what you have said no one is blaming any ex-colonialist. perhaps you are new in the Bantaba, we have discussed the war in Sierra Leone, Liberia all had nothing to do with 'ex-colonialist'' and we African have owned up to the problem.
My point, on all these dabates in the unfair and hypocrisy of UK Foreign Policy in Africa. This same govertment is sponsoring Un Security Council Resolutions against Mugabe, yet this same govertment VETOED UN Resolutions against Aparthied when worst Brutality was going on. This did not happen in the colonial era.
i'm sorry if you are embarrased or disturbed by this but its wrong and that why i keep pointing it out.
it is these vestigial attitudes that we recent. ''we have to tell the Africans what is good for them''. Just like you telling me the Chinese are colonising Africa. You're mad. even if there are, is it your business.
Currently the biggest challenge facing Africans is the destructive nature of EU policies on Trade such as farm subsidies. Maybe you have not heard of the Economic Partnership Agreements (EPAs) being pushed by the EU. The EU even sponsored a conference in Lisbon in December 2007. the African leaders stupid enough to attend even surprised me when they refused to sign and said no the EU and its bullying tactics.
China didnt come to Africa today, they have been there since the 1960s. It is Chinese arms that got rid of Rhodesia (today Zimbabwe), liberated Guinea Bissau, Maozambique etc. It is Chinese money that kept many liberation stuggles alive including the ANC.
the Chinese 'colonised' Africa to get rid of the ''Real Colonialist''
finally, what i personally think of Mugabe is irrelevant here, i hope you will agree with me that, the 50% of the reason why he is still in power is because of the British interference. its doing more harm that good. thats my point.
back off and see how fast things will change. |
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lurker
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Posted - 05 May 2008 : 10:56:15
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"the number of white farmers killed/threatenned in Zimbabwe and the global attention they are receiveing is disproportionate to the attention given to highlight the problem in Darfur.
Blair/Brown Labour's foregn policy in Africa, is neo-colonialist as its aim is to protect the interest of the UK and 100,000 white farmers."
this is what you started with :an inaccurate,incorrect, misinformed and unresearched lead-off on this thread.
now you switch to the UK foreign policy being hypocritical as your real point.you obviously have it in for the UK , and maybe with justifiction over the years.
the responses to your thread have been based on your opening point about farmers and neo-colonialism, to which you have received relevant responses. there are virtually none left and little interest is left to protect. your are stuckn te past and missing the present.
don't switch this around now to get out of your sticky hole.
start another thread on "why govts are all liars and cheats and greedy and dishonest" - because they all are.
-and acknowledge that zim is a mess because of its leadership. an ironically racist govt. who are using the injustices of the past to justify the massive injustices of the present.
by the way, whoever you are, i personally do not think i am mad, and have been around this bantaba here for years. so a little less of a patronising approach would help your cause as well.
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2008 : 13:52:34
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so long as British PMs continue to interfere in Zimbabwe's Affairs, i will condem it and their racist motives.
i do not wish to enter a protracted argument with the defenders of racism.
everything i said i meant it, and stand by it. If there were no White Farmers in Zimbabwe, we could never see this '' Get Rid of Mugabe Campaign by the Uk''. we are not seeing it, presently, in any other African Nation.
Maybe the UK should simply invade Zimbabwe, like Iraq, so when thousand of young Africans like myself converge there to fight the occupying forces you will call us ethnic-this-that militants.
or maybe Brown should send you on a tour of contrition to Victoria Falls.
i cannot make this point any clearer. sorry. |
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