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MJT
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 02:03:36
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I've just read this article it seems to be that Sidia Jatta contradicts himself, for example he says "The Gambia where they (Europeans?) stayed for over 100 years and have not left us with any senior institute of learning" then in the next paragraph urges Africa to "to stand on your feet. We cannot depend primarily on others for our immediate things".
Perhaps harsh (and not wanting to offend) but my first reaction was that you can't have it both ways - Gambia wanted independence and got it so it's surely up to its own leaders to ensure better provision of education for its inhabitants rather than looking for some other country to provide this. I don't see Ghana, for example, being held back .... maybe Gambia should take a good look round at other African countries and get with the programme! It seems to me that it's all too easy to just sit with an open hand expecting others to provide (and that's not just the bumsters or those being discussed on cultural problems thread).
Over the centuries, we Scots have had many a raw deal at the hands of the English but did we sit and bemoan this? NO! We got on with it and we brought the world the steam engine, the bicycle, tarmacadam roads, the telephone, television, the transistor, the motion picture, penicillin, electromagnetics, radar, insulin and calculus to name but a few. What made Scotland such a hotbed of creativity? It's difficult to point to any single factor although the Scots have always placed a high value on work ethic. Even when they left their native country, Scots took that creative impetus with them and continued to distinguish themselves in their adopted countries. Amazingly, for a country whose population has never been much in excess of 5 million, native Scots or those descended directly from them have been the recipients of some 11% of all the Nobel Prizes that have been awarded.
So, Gambia at the end of the day YOU control the key! |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 07:08:42
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| I am a staunch supporter of PDOIS/NADD and Sidia Jatta, but yesterday when I read that article I could not help disagreeing with the basic argument in it. It is true , the Gambia was colonized by the British, its resources raped and plundered, and did not leave any major institution other than a skeletal civil service ; but the same thing happened to many other countries including the U.S., Japan, India, and many other countries in Africa and Latin America. This is history, period. Africa and other Developing Countries needs to move beyond history, we must not continue to be paralysed by history, we must not remain transfixed in Walter Rodney's 'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa' (and I liked that book). Africa and Africans need to appear on the world stage with responsibility and a clear conscience. We have been in the business of self-rule for nearly 40 to 50 years, isn't it about time we stopped the game of blaming the West. Look at the Chinese and the Indians. It took China only 25 years to move from a hungry nation to a surplus nation. Hello!!! |
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jambo
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Posted - 31 Dec 2007 : 09:46:15
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people always blame british/europeans for their own mess. Gambia has had a fortune in grants for the country for a wide range of projects and where did it go  , this is just an old moan |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 01 Jan 2008 : 18:22:39
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The fact is he has given a historical perspective of what and why Africa is so poor and the fact that we are still dependent on the west for almost everything like babies. This is something that Yahya himself is harping on irrespective of how some may view what he has been saying about the West. Its called modern day slavery and you dont need shackles to be a tom tom ............peacequote:
Originally posted by MJT
http://wow.gm/africa/gambia/wuli-west/article/2007/12/29/sidia-jatta-blames-africas-woes-on-the-west
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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jammin
Jamaica
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 06:59:04
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A Proxy.
Can someone define this for me?
Also why can't they see themselves
for what they are? |
Like a colossus He doth bestride the Narrow World |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 16:35:29
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MeMe wrote:
"Over the centuries, we Scots have had many a raw deal at the hands of the English but did we sit and bemoan this? NO!" Excellent point.
To blame history without taking responsibility for the immediate present is another way of hiding behind the thick Shadow of Time. Yes, Europeans colonized parts of Africa in last hundreds of years. That is over now. We are now dealing with ourselves and our immediate now. It is our chance to change the world and that history will be for succeeding generations to know about and use some of that knowledge for what they want. This generation is blessed with such instruments of technology and communication so widely shared. The blame culture must now reside in the annals of history. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 17:39:09
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quote:
Originally posted by jambo
people always blame british/europeans for their own mess. Gambia has had a fortune in grants for the country for a wide range of projects and where did it go, this is just an old moan
Jambo......how can you think this way  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 03 Jan 2008 : 18:38:19
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I doubt if he is bemoaning anything , The fact still remains that Africa was sliced up like a piece of cake by the colonial masters raping us of all resources and instilling modern western democracy already knowing what the outcome was going to be. Gerrymandering was used in the case of africa at the Berlin conference, each colonial master claiming a certain territory and ownership of it. This was used to the disadvantage of Africans since Gerrymandering is the deliberate mutilation of size and shape of a territory to benefit one side of politics or ethnic group and hurt the other side. After the tools of gerrymandering are applied, A once seemingly peaceful and even Area can be distorted to look hopeless, biased and racial. In the case of Africa the first steps taken were
1.) The splitting or dilution of the concentrations of the so called other side Africa.
2.) Creating multiple countries and limiting chances of growth due to the many obstacles that befell them such as location and resources.
Presently we have to meet certain requirements to be eligible for certain loans be it for development or political purposes Not to mention the requirement for an expatriate which we have enough of in Gambia yet we need foreign expatriates being paid in dollars and provided housing ,anything and everything to coordinate the program.. How do you explain the lack of interest in sudan, Rwanda etc etc.The british left Gambia less than 50 years ago, what the hell did they live behind, Did you know the first blackouts in Gambia started on our first independence day supposedly and from there on till recently. After robbing and controlling the economy of a country for over a hundred years the least you can leave them is a good educational system with higher institutions and a good infrastructure or do you agree The colonial masters gave Bathurst the best planning possible. ...........Peace quote:
Originally posted by Karamba
MeMe wrote:
"Over the centuries, we Scots have had many a raw deal at the hands of the English but did we sit and bemoan this? NO!" Excellent point.
To blame history without taking responsibility for the immediate present is another way of hiding behind the thick Shadow of Time. Yes, Europeans colonized parts of Africa in last hundreds of years. That is over now. We are now dealing with ourselves and our immediate now. It is our chance to change the world and that history will be for succeeding generations to know about and use some of that knowledge for what they want. This generation is blessed with such instruments of technology and communication so widely shared. The blame culture must now reside in the annals of history.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
Edited by - Moe on 03 Jan 2008 18:50:11 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 01:44:54
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Moe,
I am not a historian or politician so I cannot comment on your posting.
Except to say that in relation to, "Peace" you cannot be disagreed with,anybody who does is a fool.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Moe
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 02:55:45
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| The fact is cyberspace is full of garbage which needs total cleansing. Let fact be fact and forget sensational journalism...................peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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jambo
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Posted - 04 Jan 2008 : 09:12:58
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toubaba1020,   , how is the day |
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