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jambo
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 09:31:32
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Can i ask, if you cannot afford the ram, what happens. I understand that it is the thought that counts, but this seems to be more that just the buying of a ram. Surely it is about those that can afford it doing so and sharing with others. If you do not buy a ram you can still enjoy tobaski I hate to hear of commercialism entering into relgious festivals, prices go up, people get depressed because they cannot meet expectations. so sad
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Momodou
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 10:54:40
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| Jambo, you slaughter a chicken if you can't afford a ram or a goat. It depends on your ablilty. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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jambo
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 11:09:51
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thank you for that, it is the taking part that matters. It seemed a shame that so many get upset about the buying of the ram. sometimes the meaning of the festival gets lost.
If i had known you could have a chicken instead of ram i would have helped some families. it was the cost of rams that stopped me.
How much is a chicken
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 22 Dec 2007 : 23:37:07
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Originally posted by jamboIf i had known you could have a chicken instead of ram i would have helped some families.
Jambo, one is not obliged to make any sacrifice if you can't afford it and one is no less a Muslim because of that.
Take note that there is no mentioning of a chicken in the sunnah of the prophet (SAW) but I mentioned it in the Gambian context as a minimum most poor people can afford for their own sake and not as charity.
Usually the animal sacrificed on Eid is for the benefit of the poor and the needy. There is consensus among scholars that a sacrifice must be of one of the animals, and that the best of these are, camels, the cows, then sheep and so on, for a camel is more beneficial for the poor because of its great size (more can benefit from its meat), and similarly a cow is more useful than a sheep.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 23 Dec 2007 : 09:18:35
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I thought the recomendation is in the order of: ram,castrated ram, ewe, male goat,castrated male goat, female goat, bull, castrated bull, cow, male camel, female camel,...
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 23 Dec 2007 : 15:16:03
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Kay, the order you mentioned is how I also learnt it in The Gambia.
"There is disagreement, however, as to what is best for an individual to offer as sacrifice, a camel or a cow sharing one seventh of their price, or a sheep. Apparently the preference in this regard is to what is more useful and benificial for the poor and the needy." Source: Fiq and Sunnah - Hajj and Umrah |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 23 Dec 2007 : 19:56:00
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momodou ,you are right.i never knew the worrior camaras have change trade , .thanks ,i have learn some thing new all the time in bantaba . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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kayjatta
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Posted - 24 Dec 2007 : 06:20:10
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| Thanks Momodou, good to know that... |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 24 Dec 2007 : 08:21:22
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Originally posted by Momodou
Kay, the order you mentioned is how I also learnt it in The Gambia.
"There is disagreement, however, as to what is best for an individual to offer as sacrifice, a camel or a cow sharing one seventh of their price, or a sheep. Apparently the preference in this regard is to what is more useful and benificial for the poor and the needy." Source: Fiq and Sunnah - Hajj and Umrah
Please allow me to scratch this issue a little more. Why is the order of preference of the Tobaski animal as I hazily understand from the Tobaski pray grounds in the Gambia, and as corroborated by Momodou, different as in the sources cited by Momodou?
Who is wrong and who is right? Is this a difference in interpretation? Why?
By the way Father Murphy (of St. Augustine's) used to say that "only the lucky sheep survives Tobaski"... |
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