| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
Dalton1
3485 Posts |
 Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 05:49:04
|
Ps. find time to go over this documentary. You will never regret your one and a half hour.
http://www.aidsorigins.com/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,78/
Thank you for forwarding this powerful documentary. I followed it up with keen interest. At once, I developed an interest far beyond the exposure in the documentary. It remains a mystery that the incurable cankerworm has succeeded in taking so many human lives and continues to do so at such an unimaginable rate.
It is more looming than ever, the origin of HIV Aids’ attribution to Africa. But obviously someone has to take the blame. So do we conclude it is the mistake of scientists who used the chimpanzee kidneys for vaccines [notably in curing polio] or do we conclude as alleged that some monkey consumers or monkey sex offenders brought us this shoulder burning wick? If it was the sex offenders or the consumers, how come it traveled at such a rate or to say how many other western sex offenders or monkey eaters joined us in Africa and contacted the disease? Is it also true that the pandemic existed un-noticed for years before its discovery?
It is however interesting those scientific researchers discovered that when HIV is injected into chimpanzees, they develop anti-bodies that eliminate the disease totally from the virus, and i.e. to say for short they don’t get infected. So now I ask can we predict that those anti-bodies in the Chimpanzees could be developed further to help the human immune system develop such anti-bodies to eliminate the disease. In that manner, the long standing killer disease would have been grounded down.
I am hopeful that the cure to the disease might not be far from its emergence, which is to say the anti-bodies in chimpanzees should be further developed as a vaccine to support human anti-bodies. Until such a time that a cure to the disease is established, it is safe not to be fooled by self-proclaimed mythical doctors claiming they discovered cure for it in their efforts to seek or deviate attention from their devilish behaviors.
But I thank you for your enlightenment on this one. It needs to travel further.
Dalton
|
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
|
Edited by - Dalton1 on 03 Dec 2007 05:57:44 |
|
|
Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 11:51:11
|
Dalton1,
As a person caring and supporting Hiv-possitive victims we care less about the origin of the dease. The fact that it does no discrimate is just an example of the problem. We are more concerned of the cure or vaccine rather than the originn. As time has gone we do not debate it at all. Have you been to the demonstration of the WAD? There you could have garthered some useful information rather then the origin. Where did canser originate? Is it Europe, LatinAmerica, Asia, or Africa?
|
 |
|
|
Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 13:24:35
|
Al Hassan,
-causes, effect problems & solutions should go hand-in-hand.
if you don't know where you are coming from, you will never know where we are going with the pandemic disease.
Isn't it interesting that chimps' anti-bodies fight and eliminate the disease even if injected in their bodies??? Isn't that an interesting development that scientist could develop further to yield a positive result.
But you should find time to watch the documentary. It's title is-the origin of Aids. So how come such will be irrelevant under the discussion of such a topic.
We wait for your pertake as time permitts.
Dalton  |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
|
|
|
|
Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 14:24:06
|
dalton.alhasan has jump to conclusion without watching the film.the film is talking about the source of the virus.how it comes about.if we cannot know how the virus strated then how do we know which ways one can get affected by the virus.we know about sex,blood transfusion,etc but what about other ways ? if the virus is so difficult to pinpoint ,then we are in with a difficult dilema .
i read a similar article a long time ago ,the stories varies a bit but the ideas are similar.some experts don't rule out foul play by the powerful hellbent on population control .what ever the cause of this ailment ,it is killing hundreds of human beings. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
|
|
|
Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 16:45:23
|
Santanfara and Dalton1,
My reasons are as follows:
this argument has been there since the begginning without possitive results. It is better to find out how to eradicate it. The origin is known to most scientists but because of the blame on Africa they keep quite. Do you know that the first hiv-possitive person died in the US in the 1930's.
It is a pity that you were current with the artickles of the lancet in the mid 90's about the dease.
First it was gay related then they found out that it was not only these people affected.
|
|
|
|
sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 17:32:44
|
I haven’t had time to watch the video – but will do so.
I find the reaction of antibodies in the chimps very interesting, it may be the same as the monitored prostitutes a few years back.
In the human, antibodies will be present in the blood until the final stages of AIDS when they can disappear. They disappear because the immune system has been destroyed and is NOT producing antibodies.
Could that be why Jammeh finds no HIV virus in his AIDS patients?
|
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
|
|
|
Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 00:27:46
|
quote:
Sab...In the human, antibodies will be present in the blood until the final stages of AIDS when they can disappear. They disappear because the immune system has been destroyed and is NOT producing antibodies.
Could that be why Jammeh finds no HIV virus in his AIDS patients?
I find it very interesting myself, and I am thinking it should interest many concerned about the disease. I look forward to yours as you get done analysing your tape. I just reference your previous postings on HIV AIDS. It covered a lot, only the Chims' anti-bodies for the virus remains another mystery in news.
Thank you always.
Dalton
|
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
|
|
|
|
Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 00:33:27
|
quote:
Al hassan...Have you been to the demonstration of the WAD? There you could have garthered some useful information rather then the origin.
Uncle Santa,
That's what I sensed from Al-hassan's reply. He might have replied before following the tape, but the tape is interesting-'origin of HIV Aids.'
He asked me whether i was at WAD- he should share what he gathered there. I am really keen at it. Unfortunately I wasn't Al-hassan but kindly share with us. It is too much news, things to follow for a little head like mine.
thanks to your rejoinders both,
Dalton. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
|
|
|
|
Santanfara
3460 Posts |
|
|
Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 01:46:16
|
quote:
Originally posted by Santanfara
another opinion .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TybBnra7pvk&feature=related
thanks,this is very short but nice .
The eloquent speech man said
quote:
when the going get tough, the tough get going
That is why Mandela is a hero. When his son died of the virus, he came openly mourning him as an Aids patient.
SUMMARY OF THE SPEECH.
-30 minutes of please leading to life time injury.
-the shyness factor
-the dishonesty factor/not confessing
-the greatest catastrophee
-lack of treatment
-the poverty factor
quote:
the future of africa lies in the hands of africans
|
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
|
|
|
|
sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 11:30:50
|
Two year old video with a different perspective ‘Involving Youth – A Priority’
http://www.unfpa.org/video/2005/youth_voices.html
“I don’t want to be part of the problem, but part of the solution”
Do you believe Thoraya A Obaid correct when she say’s “the minds of adults have already decided what values should be conveyed, how then you should behave, what education should take place on HIV and when etc.,”
Listen more than once – you will hear something you hadn’t noticed before in a sentence!
|
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
|
|
|
Dalton1
3485 Posts |
Posted - 05 Dec 2007 : 13:15:43
|
quote:
...youths are not the problem. people are not the problem. i think the problem lies in the minds of adults who have already decided what values to conveyed, how their young people should behave,what education,what information should be given to young people and we should control that information.
Sab,
thanks, nice & short vedeo. very diverse forum.
personally, i agree with most of the opinions that
-politicians should include it in national policies
-sex education should be emphasized and enforced at all levels
-mass sensitization programs
in a sense, i think she was trying to say adults should counsel their children. but the problem involves all. |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
|
|
|
| |
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
