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MeMe
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 11:43:43
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Everyone can be biased, Turk, even the BBC  I just find it hard to believe that they would place such a large article online if there was no truth in it ..... |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 11:47:46
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I read the link and this sentence is worrying,
So far the new constitution has been drafted behind closed doors: now women's groups are demanding to be consulted.
think about that making a decision about a group that is not part of the decision making process.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 11:52:28
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| Turk, I am having a lot of trouble understanding your writing. It is partly grammar, partly word arrangement , and partly everything....the flow...I do not really know what you are saying here... |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 12:16:06
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English is not my first language.
meme
That happens. We will see what is all about that constitution. But remember, drafted Turkish constitution must integrate with European Constitution. So let us hope Turkish democratization since 1920s have the happy end.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 05 Oct 2007 12:25:00 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 12:23:11
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I understand...
That is why I told you to come to America. We speak and write better English than everyone... |
Edited by - kayjatta on 05 Oct 2007 12:25:45 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 12:29:53
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I am much better when I do my business communication. My grammer/punctuality and vocabulary are not that bad. Imagine I have Master of Information System graduate degree from European university where lectures in English! But This is very informal platform. I don't focus on the final product here much. YOu should see when I speak wolof.
On a note that american english. Yankees have the worst english. I like Brits to be best, followed by canadians and aussies. I notice english is not your native language either. Speak wolof? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 05 Oct 2007 12:32:47 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 12:32:44
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| I understand Turk... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2007 : 12:34:05
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| Of course I speak wollof... |
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jammin
Jamaica
149 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2007 : 15:56:36
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Originally posted by kayjatta
Real men let their women be free and make independent decisions. Some cultures in Africa and elsewhere are totally against this , instead they want to lock their women inside the room or wrapped in a hijab to protect them because they are vulnerable...
By implication, these African men are not REAL men, and the Western countries which have a different CULTURE and attitude towards their women are deemed MEN!!. To me, this clearly is an example of a colonized mind. How better then, do you explain the acceptance of one value system, while denigrating another, especially if the individual origin is from the culture that is being denigrated. |
Like a colossus He doth bestride the Narrow World |
Edited by - jammin on 10 Oct 2007 16:01:22 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 06:48:52
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Jammin, you are stretching the argument too far.There is plenty of observable evidence that not all African men subjugate their spouses, and certainly not all western men respect their wife's freedom. This is not an either or question, so your premises are wrong...
Look at my statement above: 'some cultures in Africa and elsewhere...' |
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jammin
Jamaica
149 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 15:30:05
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I'm sorry if this might seem to be hijacking the thread,but our dear friend Kayjatta, should not be allowed to wiggle out of this one.
Kayjatta:
Your response still have not address your earlier assertion. your statement is saying to an Islamic man that diligently practice his faith and the associated customs,that he is a LESSER MAN,even your phrase of choice, "subjugate their spouse", cement the bias that you carry. |
Like a colossus He doth bestride the Narrow World |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 11 Oct 2007 : 23:58:49
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jammin
All communities have their own problem about women. Muslim communities indeed have issue in terms of women role in the society. But the issue is very complex. It is not totally related to culture. For example, the conservative muslim women in Turkey, if they live in rural areas, their situation really problem. At the same time, in urban areas, especially recently, there are muslim turkish ladies with hijab, very conservative in terms of religion, but their wealth so high and education level much better, they have better situation than western women in some cases. They drive SUV, they are fashionable, they are journalist, executives.
Or your country, Jamaica, economic problems hit especially young women with the influence of pop culture. They require 'men' as provider exchange with attraction, sex etc. It is lesser degree same in Turkey or anywhere else too. These women are not religious, not muslim, not christian but still they are second class citizen depending on men so much. So, as kayjatta simplified the situation relating this to 'culture' or 'religion' was not reflecting the reality. So I agree with you to bring this point. There are several dynamics for the status of women in society. Obviously culture is one of them, but definetly not the only or main one. I say, economic situation is main factor.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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