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njucks
Gambia
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 Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 22:54:13
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kondorong /biraago one learns a lot from your posts. your comments on EF Small got me thinking and i wanted to ask perhaps a question. is this allowed?
question 1: who are the 20 greatest gambians of all time?
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2006 : 23:30:25
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| Yes it should be allowed i hope. After all it is the bantaba, a place of gossip. I will come up with my list after some comparisons. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Pappa
USA
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 09:59:44
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| This is quite interesting, some of these stuffs you guys are talking about have never come across my knowledge. I was never taught these in Primary School. This is great and keep it up, I could definitely benefit from the information. |
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Galo Sowe
Sweden
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Posted - 19 Mar 2006 : 19:07:05
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Originally posted by Biraago
Mawdo Sowe. Jaaraama, I am impressed with your intrest.
During the Europen so-called world war, a fighter plan droped a bomb in the area and this was before the floads and the colera outbreak.
..I have delibrately shyed away from one of your questions, the one regarding the earlier inhabitants of Banjul.
Biraago, the name halfdie is not from any "so-called world war" but the cholera epidemic of 1869.
Can you please enlighten us about this fighter plane? Which Eropean nation droped the bomb?
I think it is important to know historical facts and it would help if you answer the question with regards to the earlier inhabitants of Banjul.
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"Soldiers are experts at camouflage but that is on the battle field not the political one, were transparency is the watch word" Kaaniba |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2006 : 02:41:49
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We can agree to dis agree in this case.
Regarding the first inhabitants of Banjul. As i said earlier, for me it is not yet for public discuss but we could exchange private mail if confidence could be maintained.
These are issues which certain families have to revisit. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 02:05:04
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Biraago
Half die derived its name from a disease out break and not bombardment of banjul. i think we need to know who the original inhabitants of banjul were and should be public knowledge and i dont think there should be secret exchange of emails. The information should be ragarded as public property to enable us rewrite our history. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Biraago
Gambia
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Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 16:57:41
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Originally posted by kondorong
Biraago
Half die derived its name from a disease out break and not bombardment of banjul. i think we need to know who the original inhabitants of banjul were and should be public knowledge and i dont think there should be secret exchange of emails. The information should be ragarded as public property to enable us rewrite our history.
You are right and i would furnish with all information that we have obtained in our research in the 70's if you follow the request.
Contemporary history is mostly exposed in novels so as not to create an instable society particularly when it concerns ordinary people If it were a question relating to the people holding public office then a lot of the information would have been out by now. Because they are open to public scrutiny at all times.
I never calimed that this topic should be held back but rather MUST be revisited by the people immidiately concerned for the benefit of the future generation.
Regarding the name half Die, if you people want to deny the atrocities wages upon our noble people by subscribing to historical mis-representation by the colonialists and their opologists, then well and good. There are many others who swallow any thing on paper.
Those who have studied history would know that any writer expresses an ipinion while claiming to be objective. Some of the historians are the worst when to come to the travestee of facts.
I don't think any of you are willing to expose the positive and negative issues that had palgued the evolution of your immidiate extended families or your villages just like I don't think it wise to expose that of the ordinary members of my village, so who am i to do injustice to the common people of Half die?
The evidence to this is that you are all using nick names to correspond while demanding total openess. Is that Just?
Don't worry, just send in a private mail as said and a desciption your of yourselves, historycal background and your attachments to the area concerned.
Justice begins with the just.
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Biraago
Gambia
173 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 17:05:19
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If you don't read from me these days, it's just that i am traveling back. I was on a trip in some europen countries.
I shall surely keep in touch. |
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moongarden
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 17:06:13
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Originally posted by kondorong
The information should be ragarded as public property to enable us rewrite our history.
you have reminded me that the records of history are kept by the victor and that sometimes people have a specific interest in the history being represented in a certain way and are then not impartial.
i am happy that today i am learning many things - keep up the good work
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 18:30:57
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Biraago
Why are you ashamed of the history that you want to hoard. If you have priviledge knowledge of what happened, i think readers deserve to know. To say that we use nick names is unjust is to play to the gallery.
I have not hoarded information about my village and should you want to know bring it on. You have never asked for it and to insinuate that we " swallow anything on paper" is unjust, biased, unbalanced and unworthy of an intelectual of your standing.
I have maintained that if you have another side of the story share it with us so that " we can rewrite our history". Now the ball is in your court and to to generalise and accuse people without the facts is unwelcomed. You need to apologise for that.
However, Biraago you seem to be an angry man and i do not know why you feel offened by the issue of original inhabitants of banjul. For goodness sake, share your findings with us and i am ready to embrace your side if you can convince me. I am only seeking the truth and have no other interest beyond that.
I have never refused the fact that our people have suffered a great deal under colonialism but that has nothing to do with the founders of Banjul. Is it that you were expecting some some names that did not come up. You can add yours to the bantaba and we will subject it to scutinty. At the end of the day all that we want is to know and write our history fom our own perspectives. But rememeber that the only thing consistent about oral history is its inconsistencies and you will always have different sides of the story. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 22:40:04
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May be some one can explain this. I was reading some article which said that Bathurst was changed to banjul in 1973 almost 8 years after independence.
may be there might be public records explaining the reasons and how they have arrived at the name banjul. May be there were suggestions for the new name of our capital and that people may have submitted many names.
i am suprised that we maintained a colonial name 8 years after independence. however, i understand that in 1965 we had indepence but within the commonwealth and only became a Republic in 1970. But then we had internal self government in 1963 and why did it take so long to change that.
Certainly it was not proper to manitain a colonial name on official government documents after independence especially for the state capital. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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sankahjang
USA
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Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 23:03:36
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| I think kondorong you are right.Biraago needs to bring out to the forum the facts of the history he know about banjul.History of course can be bitter sometimes, but trying to aviod it because of that can mean injustice to others, since you will be withholding some thing they need to Know.I'm not good at all in history, but it is some thing i like. Because i think it can help us to Know our origins better and hence help us to redirect our course in life.Beside Banjul is our capital.its one of the settlements discussed more in many Gambian history books.so if there is an untold history about her, it would be good to know.Peace! |
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njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 01:38:31
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i think it is generally accepted that 1/2 die originates from the cholera epidemic as Galo rightly stated. WWII was indeed a World War.the British empire (gambia included)vs Nazi Germany. i dont think gambia was ever bombed during the war. but there was action in Dakar due to the french goverment at that time.
biraago you can just kindly let us know your facts and you dont have to name any person(s) in particular. just tell us the event perhaps that will be enough |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 01:54:30
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Just like in the case of half die, there is a village in Niamina today called 30 mile. The correct name is "TATI MAYI" ORIGINALLY Fulani meaning three died. There was an incident that happend in the area which led to deaths. You can see the sign board on the main road.
Gambia did not see any combat in the second world war although gambians fought in Burma. We had a military and naval base for American troops and allied forces mostly refueling and that was the reason why President Roosevelt visisted the gambia in 1943 being the first sittting American president to visit Africa and the first in the Gambia on his way to the Casablanca conference. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2006 : 07:14:52
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what does bantaba mean??? is it a wolof, mandinka word? i'm really surprised to hear that manjagoes inhabited Gambia 100s of years ago. my mom tells me that when she was younger, wolof people used to make fun of Manjagoes all the time, and sometimes even now. |
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