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kassma
334 Posts |
 Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 10:46:08
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i don't know about anybody else, but one of the most important issues that should be on the ballot for this election is a limited term for presidency. i feel that can solve so many issues and improve the government. if a president feels that she or he can stay forever, why should he try and do anything (ex. Jawara).
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kayjatta
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Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 20:29:07
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| I agree with you . Term limit for the presidency is one of the most important things for me too ; and I want it addressed in this presidential election .Its benefits are too great to ignore. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 23:02:26
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Hi,
THANKS YOU HAVE MY MILLION SUPPORT.
PRESIDENTIAL TERM LIMIT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD 4 ANY COUNTRY.
I ONLY WISH JAMMEH WILL HEED TO THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD.
OUR OPPOSITIONS ARE JUST LEGALISING THE COMMING eLECTION AS THEY WILL LOOSE.i DON'T WANT TO SAY IT BUT ITS THE REAL TRUTH.THEY HAVE STABBED THEMSELVES IN THE STOMACH AND THUS THE PEOPLE HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN THEM.BELIEVE ME jAMMEH IS JUST WAITING FOR ANOTHER CORONATION.LET THE OPPOSITION TRY TO EITHER COME TOGETHER NOW OR FORGET WAISTING MILLIONS ODF DALASIS ON USELESS CAMPAIGNS.THE ELECTORATES WILL NEVER GIVE THEMSELVES TO A GROUP THAT SAYS TO THEM WE ARE ALL ONE AGAINST JAMMEH,AND AFTER JAMMEH WILL COME TO THEM TO SAY " THESE OPPOSITIONS WILL NEVER UNITE INFACT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT IDEOLOGIES SO THEY CAN'T BECOME ONE AGAINST ME,......THEY (OPPOSITIONS) HAVE PROVEN JAMMEH VERY VERY RIGHT.SO ASK YOUR SELF WHO WILL VOTE THE OPPOSITION THAT IS IN DISARAY?..I... BUT CAN I CONVINCE A FARMER IN THE PROVINCES?..NO...WHAT ABOUT A CIVIL SERVANT?....NO...WHAT CHANCE DO WE HAVE AS SEPARATE BODIES AGAINST JAMMEH?...ZERO CHANCE OF WINNING.
GOD SAVE THE GAMBIA 4 OUR HOPES HAVE FAILED US.
PEACE
MANKAJANG JANYANFARA |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 02:09:01
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| its probably not on the ballot, but what can the people do, or Gambians in other country do to put it on the ballot? i have to admit, there is a strong sense of helplessness when it comes to Gambian government policies. it seems that nobody is talking about it and how do we know that whoever becomes president won't stay for 10 or more years. also, this opposition team needs to get their act together cause the way they are going now, i can image one party trying to coup another. God help us. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 18:16:06
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To change the presidential terms willl requre a constitutional amendment. It is unfortunate that most Gambians do not even bother about it. I think it is a cutural thing in our society where leaders rule for ever. This is true of kings, chiefs and Village heads. We have never in our historical existence been exposed to a system of rotating leadership. We have never in our history been priviledged to see one governmenet replace another peacefully. It was always violent and power is only accorded when the incumbent dies.
This fundamental cultural belief is what is plaguing us right now and i am not surprised that Junkung is doing the same. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 22:05:25
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Originally posted by kondorong
To change the presidential terms willl requre a constitutional amendment. It is unfortunate that most Gambians do not even bother about it. I think it is a cutural thing in our society where leaders rule for ever. This is true of kings, chiefs and Village heads. We have never in our historical existence been exposed to a system of rotating leadership. We have never in our history been priviledged to see one governmenet replace another peacefully. It was always violent and power is only accorded when the incumbent dies.
This fundamental cultural belief is what is plaguing us right now and i am not surprised that Junkung is doing the same.
kondorong, there is still hope. western culture, before the whole presidency thing, were ruled by kings, there was a transition to having a leader with limited powers and i think we can do it too. it won't happen overnight, but of course its possible. i'm right now in the US, i really don't consider it to be a healthy society for Africans and black people and definitely not for women. so i want to go back to Gambia one day definitely. do you know how someone can bring about a constitutional change, cause we simply need it. i think its lack of education keeps people from standing up for their rights. if i'm confused about what to do here, i think the average person in Gambia trying to make a living probably doesn't care. and you really can't blame them. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 22:52:15
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I am not blaming them. Unfortunately democracy has its own problems . Sometimes the majority is wrong but democracy tells you they are right. may be Gambians are not fed up yet and if they do they will vote for change in the next elections. Democracy is about patience and until that silent majority begins to care, there will be no change in the Gambia. Unfortunately i am a democrat with all its good and bad.
I congratulate you my brother for thinking of going back home. unfortunately the number of educated Gambians leaving the country is staggering and on the rise. These are well qualified and seasoned gambians because of intolerance of Junkung. Good luck may be you will muster the courage to bring about change. Our problem is not skills but attitude to a very large extent. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 22:57:05
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This is one of the issues that Hon Halifa Sallah has always advocated and represents. The possibility of having a fixed term for the presidency lies in electing Halifa as a president.
The MOU clearly stipulates this and there is no reason to believe on the contrary. Once we taste the benefit of changing our governments periodically, we will not be able to resist the advantages it generates. The foundation for this has to be established and I believe the key to that possibility lies with NADD. Let us hope and pray for devine guidance.
MAY ALLAH HELP US AND HELP THE GAMBIA. |
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medotech
42 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 23:13:00
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| The same ball game keeps repeating itself and we have seen it over and over in Africa.Now the opposition will say term limits but when they get there,they will be the first to change the constitution to stay in power forever.The same is happening in Nigeria and I know Jammeh will do the same thing.African leaders dont learn and the only way they will is when they are chased out.Few African leaders have given up power after the stipulated term limits of the constitution.They will simply change it ensuring they continue to stay in power. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2006 : 23:44:13
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Medotech
You have hit the nail on the head. period. We are our own enemy. Do not look elsewhere to find excuses. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2006 : 00:41:46
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Greetings all, Medotech - African leaders like those listed below, who have come to office via a coup would have been the most unlikely to relinquish office at the end of term.
Never a trace of such a characteristic can be found in Halifa Sallah.
Mobutu Ses Seko – Dictator of Congo; 1st Coup in 1960 – when Patrice Lumumba was killed. Seko handed power to President Kasavubu; stages 2nd Coup in 1965. Changes name to Mobutu Sese Seko Koko Ngbendu Wa Za Banga - Looted the country amassing one of the world’s largest fortunes abroad.
Robert Mugabe – President of Zimbabwe -1964 Imprisoned for ten years for political activities. While in prison organised a Coup & emerged from prison as Zanu’s leader. 1980 won elections. 2002 – Re-elected president in fixed election.
Jean Bedel Bokassa – President of Central African Republic – stages Military Coup to oust Dacko and declared himself president. Began a reign of terror, taking all important government posts to himself. 1979, hundreds of school children arrested for refusing to wear uniforms made in a factory he owned. He personally supervised the massacre of 100 children by his Imperial Guard.
Idi Amin –President of Uganda 1971 – Ousts Milton Obete in Coup; becomes president – estimated between 100,000 & 300,000 Ugandans were tortured & murdered during his reign.
Mengistu Haile Mariam – Ruler of Ethiopia – plotted Coup 1974– deposing Emperor Haile Selassie. Urged the killing of 60 leaders of the Imperial Regime. Haile Selassie strangled on Mengistu orders.
Samuel Doe – Dictator of Liberia – As master sergeant stages Coup 1980. Brutally suppresses opposition & installs his own tribe in tops posts. Rigs election – Allows Army to loot country. Civil War.
Hissen Habre – Dictator of Chad – Seized power 1982 – Commission accuses Habre of 40,000 murders & 200,000 cases of torture.
Saddam Hussein – President of Iraq – Unsuccessful assassination attempt on Iraqi President Kassim. Fled to Egypt. Seized power in 1963, imprisoned late that year. Staged another Coup in 1968. Consolidated power as head of State 1979 by putting to death hundreds of rivals. Invades Iran. Gases the Kurds. Invades Kuwait.
Kwame Nkrumah President of Ghana - 1951 Wins election – leaves prison & takes office. 1958 Introduces imprisonment without trial. 1964 declares one-party state with himself as president for life. 1966 – Deposed in coup.
When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always.. Freedom & peace / sab
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2006 : 01:35:18
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| it seems that everybody on here feels powerless about it, but why do we? as citizens of the Gambia, surely we should not feel this way. i think the best thing to do, if i was in Gambia, would be to hold meetings about it, appear on tv and talk about why this it is imperative we have this change, once that's done, people would definitely respond and the political parties would have to do something (i'm i being naive). does anyone who has recently been to Gambia know whether there are independent news channels that can say whatever they want. |
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medotech
42 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2006 : 03:37:54
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Hey sab,
I know Halifa Sallah very well,he didnt strike me as someone who will follow the crowd but hey,africa is a very predictable place just like the saying goes,"power corrupts".People u wont expect will let u down so we shouldnt pin all our hope on an individual or group of individuals instead,we should focus on building the foundation of a strong/democratic and vibrant civil society.I believe the whole society and its thinking needs to be restructured from the grass root level thereby ensuring political maturity and plurality in the system.Once we have archieved that,there wont be any room for tyrants and dictators cos we will be way above that.Just look at other democracies,even if the military have the power of the whole world but they wont even think of siezing power through an undemocratic means because the people wont be so dumb to allow them.But now,i believe our people are still in the wilderness interms of political consiousness thats why we have poeple like jammeh doing whatever he pleases and nothing comes out of it.As for the national assembly,they make me laugh sometimes cos I dont know what to call it,a national assembly or Jammehs assembly.I dont know wether they are scared to put the peoples agenda forward or just part of the problem.Its just so sickening.So with the current climate,elections will continue to be rigged,constitutions will continue to be changed to suite whoever is in power and so on. |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 04:47:13
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| i read somewhere on this website that Halifa is a Maxist-leninist, i'm not sure that is a good thing. the last thing Gambia needs is someone who thinks the government should control everything. i think in a place like Africa, we need to let the people be free to set up business, close them, sell them and whatever else people want to do economically because the people will fix it themselves. so Halifa is really not looking good to me. |
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 09:36:01
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| Is that the only information you know about him? |
The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 16:21:48
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Oh God brother sab and others,
Thank you God bless you,
To contribute,I will add 16 countries in Africa who had or still have dictators to your list
(1)Mubarack of Egypt,(2)Gadafi of Libya,(3)Col.M.Al Basir of Sudan,(4)Yeweri Musaveni of Uganda,(5)The Eyadema family of Togo,(6)Paul Biya of Cameroon, (7)Dr.Kamusou Banda of Malawi,Late (8)Ahmed seikou Touray of Guinea ( and even Gen.Lanssan Conte )conakry,(9)Birgadier Nino Vierra of Guinea Bissau,(10) col. Blesse Campoure(11)Col.Musa Traoure of Mali(And even our present great admired A.Tumani Toure),(12) Gen. Sasou Nggesso OF Brazaville(Congo)(13)cols.- Muktar Oul Dada, Muhamed Oul Hydala,and Seed Ahmed Oul Taya, then col.Val of Mourtania (14) Dictator Daniel A. Moi of Kenya (15) Alh. Omar Bongo of Gabon and King Mwati of swaziland.
Africa has always been |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 09 Mar 2006 16:23:52 |
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