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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 18:13:20
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Its amusing to my ears if what freedom reports is indeed true that Waa offered to mediate for the paper's editor to go back home and other people "...through his connections...."
Honestly wonder never ceases. But those who do not know the man would be suprised by his sudden u-turn. The man was a real politbureau executive in his student days in eastern europe. I believe he studied in Bulgaria where he learnt the art of propaganda in is role as an executive member of the communist African Student's Union.
His support of Cuba does not suprise me beacuse birds of the same feather flock together. Both were/are/former admirers of the Kremlin.
Could this be another Stalin like behaviour who was reputed for inviting his senior party officials to heavy drinking parties and test their political loyalty by offering to resign. The drunken officers would without hesitation speak their minds which then cost them dearly.
Could he be also playing a similar tactic to make an inroad into politics again. Is this a distraction for ulterior ambitions.
MBARODI NYAMA TA HAKO
http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/2122/Breaking-News-The-Big-Interview-Waa-Juwara-Speaks--Part-One/Default.aspx
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 18:21:39
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Konds MBARODI SOO NYAMANII HAAKO KO NYAMATA NOONE?
Wonders indeed never end. Many have done it before him and many more will.KEBBA FAALI KUUMA............................ |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 19:06:15
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I am amazed by his use of the word connection
Like the Wolof say: SU KOBO AMON GALAJJ, TAKA SI NDIGAM If he actually had connections, then we would not have seen him being paraded out of a workshop in Jarra Soma/Mansakonko by the thugs because he was an opposition representatitive or worst still being sent to Jang Jangbureh with all the scars he got and broken limbs.
SI PUCHU REPPI, KO MBABA DADATA 'EIN(Fulani)
NING KATA BEH WULO WALING KANG, AKA FOLO NING KUNG TEMA TELLO LEH LA(Mandinka) |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 19:25:33
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Has the Freedomnewspaper gotten Waa´s permition to publish those pictures? |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jul 2007 : 20:32:52
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Well those pictures i suspect are public property. I am not aware of him being forced to show those scars to public. It looks like he must have freely given them in the days when he never thought this day will come.
I dont know if he gave them permission but i dont think this is the first time we have seen these pictures. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 26 Jul 2007 : 23:12:13
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If Waa´s personal suffering(s) and humiliation is public property then what is the difference between those who put him through that hell and the public that claims the photos to be its property.
/---/It looks like he must have freely given them in the days when he never thought this day will come./---/ That’s exactly why a renewed mandate is needed designated for a new context and a new publication. Failing to get that renewed permission is publishing the photos out of Waa´s intended context. (The time the photos were freely given)
Publishing such graphic photos alongside the interview does not portrait Waa objectively or compute with an ethically correct reportage. Consequently it makes clear that the intention of the article does not sympathise with Waa´s personal decision or his newly gotten insight as to how the present political situation could or should be dealt with. That stance of the newspaper lives us with a question as to how the paper uses its begotten power and the kind of justice it represents and stands for.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 01:22:58
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Certainly the contents of the interview and the photos do not add up. Sadly but truely, its a reflection of our state. It provides the reader the opportunity to compare and contrast the man and draw personal conclusions as to his consistency. That is an individual issue.
As to whether we need a new mandate to republish the photos, i beg to differ. If we are to believe WAA that these acts of voilence on his person were done by public officials holding public office, then we as a society need no new mandate to republish them. Three reasons come to mind.
1. That if his allegations are true, that public officials assaulted him, then we as the public have rights to know what our employees are doing in our name. After all we pay them salaries through our taxes. To suggest we cannot know what our employees are doing, is to suggest that we have no rights to our own properties.
2. We need these photos as part of a perfomance evaluation every five years to see if our employees(government) has lived up to expectation. It forms part of the report card in a general election and if we are satisfied, we give them a new mandate otherwise elect new representatives for another five years.
3. He himself gave it freely and he was not under duress when he invited photographers to take pictures. Once information has entered public domain, it then becomes part of public interest. As to what is public interest, depends on which side once bread is buttered. Governments have always, not only in the Gambia, maintained public interest clauses in laws but have never defined them. That is a matter of discretion to the public official(s) under whose jurisdiction such issue(s) fall(s).
A simple example is that of a witness in a court case who gives evidence freely. To say after the end of the trial that we cannot access such information as a public is madness. His decision to give evidence has become part of a judicial process out of which a sanction is made.
The public have a right to know such testimonies otherwise, it does not provide the defendant or the plaintiff room for an appeal or the public the benefit of history or the judicial process the benefit of precedence.
ALL THAT IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN IS OF PUBLIC INTEREST. YOU CANNOT CRY OVER SPILL MILK. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jul 2007 : 02:09:50
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
If Waa´s personal suffering(s) and humiliation is public property then what is the difference between those who put him through that hell and the public that claims the photos to be its property.
If you don’t know the difference let me attempt to explain it to you. There are three entities involved here: Waa on one side; the people who put him through this humiliation on the other and the society at large. Interestingly, both Waa and the people who allegedly subjected him to this state seem to be acting in public interest. Waa was exercising what he believed was his right to exercise freedom of expression and association guaranteed by the society through constituted legal instruments.
But it also looked like the people who allegedly subjected him to this state were also acting on powers that this same society gave them through authority of office. If those who attacked him were public officials as he alleges, they acted with legitimate authority of office but as to whether they acted within the limits of the law, is for us as a society to determine.
The two are different in my opinion. Acting with authority of office and acting within the confines of the law are different. A legitimate authority of office does not guarantee fair play and hence the third branch of Government called the Judiciary charged with the ensuring that each member of the society is accorded due process in accordance with the laws of the land.
The victim here is the public in whose name both seem to derive their rights to do what each did. That’s why the photos are of public interest and hence no new mandate necessary.
That’s why as a society we have to be mindful of who we elect to represent us and make decisions on our behalf. It should not be taken as a hit and miss affair or left to chance. Because once you surrender your decision making rights to a government, you must be as patient as a vulture for another five years to change course unless some other means like impeachment provided for by the Constitution for the national Assembly to pursue. Even in the United States with over 200 years of democracy, presidential impeachment happened only once and in Africa it was only in Liberia that did it.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 30 Jul 2007 : 13:04:19
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| kondo ,i felt sorry for him ,with all those wounds .the man have undergone a terrible pain. what yahya has presided over is not pretty at all .who can continue to say he is not to blame for all this pains and personal suffering many innocent people experience ? this is a sad state ,the gambia. we don't give a hout about others suffering . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 00:54:07
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Waa finds himself in-between a rock and a hard place.
We agree that Waa invited photographers after his release to show the public the hell he has been through, the context under which the photos were taken and published for the first time.
Whereas the second publication questions Waas judgment in relation to what happened to him and his present position in the scheme of things. (How could he be seeking reconciliation with the enemy?) Which I think is for Waa to decide. We can as well agree that these two contexts are different, almost opposites. It is interesting and noteworthy that Waas trustworthiness is not questioned until now. The photos are true as long as he remains in the opposition.
I mean the desire to rerun those photos out of their original context without a renewed mandate from the victim is not less vindictive than the act of putting him through that hell. If the photos are public property or not is a question of who’s desire has been satisfied, the public’s or the publisher’s. However, the question of who owns the right to publish those photos remains.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 01:13:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Janko
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I mean the desire to rerun those photos out of their original context without a renewed mandate from the victim is not less vindictive than the act of putting him through that hell. If the photos are public property or not is a question of who’s desire has been satisfied, the public’s or the publisher’s. However, the question of who owns the right to publish those photos remains.
This where you make a mistake. Waa does not have a right as to determine the publication of the photos. Once they have entered the public domain, they become public interest. He is accusing the Government of atrocities and part of his defence is the photgraphs he provided. Once you provide evidence in your defence, those exhibits become public property.
Lets not play with words here. The fact remains that if he wants us to take him seriously, he needed evidence as a backup. Thes photos are part of his defence and hence of legitimate public interest.
What more mandate do we need to republish these photos. Are you saying that to republish the April 10 pictures, one needs new mandate. Things dont work that way.
Anything that has entered the public domain becomes a matter of public interest and anything that is of public interest becomes public property. That is why you have a Freedom of Information Act in the United States where ordinary citizens can petition the state to produce documents.
Guess what, such request shall not be unduly denied except where national interest issues are to be compromised. You however will need to pay for the photocopying and postage.
The nation is bigger than any individual and as such Waa is just another individual whose rights cannot supersede the interest of the society. That is why, the preamble of the 1997 Constitution underscores the sovereingty of the Republic of the Gambia.
If you check on page 11 of the 1997 Constitituion, its affirms the following:
"This Constitution provides for us a fundamental Law, which affirms our commitment to freedom, justice, probity and accountability. It also affirms the principle that all power emanate from the sovereign will of the people."
Therefore, the public's right to know supersedes Waa's right to these photographs since he used these photographs as his defence in the court of public opinion, and the Public therefore has right to see them.
If he took the photographs in his own privacy and someone published them without permission then thats something else. But to invite the Public to be the judge regarding the attack on his person, and then turn around and say, we need a mandadte to use the photographs is certainly childish.
I rest my case. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 01:28:07
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Yes, if they were evidence in a court of law, you are right.
I guest my query is of an ethical nature, the ethics of publishing those photos with that interview.
Thanks for clarifying
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 01:31:41
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| The paragraph quoted above from the Constitution is authored by....... |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 01:44:16
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Greate...
The rights of the small man/individual worries me in this cyber era
KEBBA DIBBII KONO LOLLA...... |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 18:03:35
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| ....NING MOL MEH JEH, ISI FANG JEH |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2007 : 20:37:07
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YOO A BANGTA!!!! |
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