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bread man
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 Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 18:32:25
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Qoute from Karamba.
"He is the commander and dictator of all developments in Gambia from 1994 July, to this day in time. Some developments are positive. When we look at both sides of the coin, there are lot of things to worry about".
Karamba,
Why not also start commending him more often of his possitive achievement and stop dwelling over his failure over and over again? Give the devil his due brotherman. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Jul 2007 : 22:07:26
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Bread Man,
By unit counts, I have few things on Jammeh. It is mostly about the case of killings and torture. If Jammeh was not the one pleased or being pleased about these atrocities, he has the heavy hand to arrest it. It is abnormal that a president says "I will kill", and next we see killings. Later the same president is not bothered or behaves as though his orders are being carried right. That is where many like me believe Jammeh sets his killer machinery with calculated motive to coerce Gambians. Yes he is producing. But what do we do with all that when there is no peaceful atmosphere?
http://www.rsf.org/predators.php3 |
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Edited by - Karamba on 01 Aug 2007 17:46:20 |
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kobo
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 18:25:20
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Kobo,
These are highly charged and relevant blend of pertinent issues. It boils down to the fact that 1994 July 22 is not only the darkest in Gambian political history. It is the most evil and most deceptive imposed on Gambians. |
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bread man
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Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 10:36:44
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| Calling july 22nd the darkest day in the history of The Gambia is twisting the truth. July 22nd was a day of joy for many Gambians and a day that represents the crave for development in The Gambia. Ask the people of Brikama who stood up against Jawara´s water selling policy and got them selves thrown in Jail for for practicing their democratic right. There are so many possitive things happening since july 22nd 1994 to date, it would be a fundamental misjudgement not to recognise them should one wish to also mention the flaws since then. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 10:40:12
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Originally posted by bread man
Calling july 22nd the darkest day in the history of The Gambia is twisting the truth. July 22nd was a day of joy for many Gambians and a day that represents the crave for development in The Gambia. Ask the people of Brikama who stood up against Jawara´s water selling policy and got them selves thrown in Jail for for practicing their democratic right. There are so many possitive things happening since july 22nd 1994 to date, it would be a fundamental misjudgement not to recognise them should one wish to also mention the flaws since then.
there are also so many people whose where about we don't know. there also cases of unexplain deaths and trampled press freedom and rampant sackings etc. also the basic prices of food stuff over hicking ,so if you only see development ,see also the real cost to gambians. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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bread man
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Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 11:43:34
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| All that is true, but it is also true that Jammeh is by no way proven to be directly responsible for all those attrocities. You see, I do not have anything against those that critisizes Jammeh and justify it. What I am advocating is to also mention his possitive efforts whilst mentioning his flaws. I have always said that if Jammeh is to be the monster he is potraited to be here, he will one day be held responsible. Until then, he is innocent until proven otherwise. (The sweet foundation of democracy). |
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kobo
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Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 15:55:56
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quote:
Originally posted by bread man
Calling july 22nd the darkest day in the history of The Gambia is twisting the truth. July 22nd was a day of joy for many Gambians and a day that represents the crave for development in The Gambia. Ask the people of Brikama who stood up against Jawara´s water selling policy and got them selves thrown in Jail for for practicing their democratic right. There are so many possitive things happening since july 22nd 1994 to date, it would be a fundamental misjudgement not to recognise them should one wish to also mention the flaws since then.
Was July 22nd a revolution for Jammeh or a revolution for the Armed Forces to deal with rampant corruption, rectification and reconstruction? Many armed forces personnel suffered the worst in terms of assasinations, arbitary arrests, torture, detentions, massacres, imprisonment and many fled as fugitives amonsgst other astrocities, especially Nov, 11.
Proper revolutions are for empowerment of the masses and not about anarchy, state terrors and dictatorship, am afraid
We pledge our firm allegiance to the Nation and not to the Commander in- chief of Arm Forces; as Progressive Gambian Patriots! |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 13:34:15
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| July 22 by all account is nothing but a coup. Coup plotters are punished for what is called treason. Jammeh has just dealt a blow to other families by sending a number of coup plotters to 20 years jail with hard labour. How much was Jammeh due if his own July 22 coup had failed? The other point is that people facing this hardship and disgrace today thought at some point it was genuine to join the revolution by serving the illegal APRC regime. Will they still think so? Here is another reason why Gambians have to be extremely careful not to be easily misled into thinking that APRC is safe to deal with. |
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bread man
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Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 18:03:02
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| Yes jammeh would have been charged for treason had he not succeeded in the endeavour to free the Gambian people from the rotten model of democracy the ppp was working on. Remember that his success was not just based on his efforts but the general will of the Gambians to get rid of the admins then. He was welcome by almost all. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 18:19:02
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Exactly the way he thought the previous regime was rotten is the same perspective that more curious observers see his current dictatorship. Not only that, you have sincerely agreed that his was another treasonable offence. I cannot remember where Gambians have come to terms that Jammeh is pardoned for his 1994 July 22 treason. Can anyone enlighten this forum? For records, Jammeh is still liable on account of a treasonable offence against decent Gambians by offending our big book of rules: the constitution. Being president forn 40 years does not prevent Jammeh from facing the law courts. That is where his trial as ex-president becomes very interesting. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 21:01:07
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On 17 July 1968, a bloodless coup brought change of government in Iraq. Subsequently, Saddam became Iraqi leader until his painful doom. On 30 July 1981, defeated NCP Foni candidate Kukoi Samba Sanyang from Wasadu along with some taxi drivers staged a bloody coup that toppled president Jawara while Jawara attended the Royal Weddning of Prince Charles and Diana (29 July 1981.) By help of Senegal, the mutinity was suppressed and Kukoi succumbed and fled. On 22 July 1994, lieutenant Yahya Jammeh together with fellow junior ranks in Gambian army staged a bloodless coup, this time bundling president Jawara out of town by sea to Dakar. Jawara finally accepted defeated and subsequently made it to UK in exile. He was later provided amnesty and now lives his bonus age by a seaside property next to the British High Commission opposite MRC, Fajara. In Iraq too, it is recalled that Saddam later granted similar amnesty to the man he toppled. There is something for analysts of history in the sequence of events shared by Iraq and Gambia, two countries far apart in many ways but very similar in the manner their men in power relate to the citizenry. How do we compare Yahya Jammeh and Saddam Hussein ? |
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Karamba
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Santanfara
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Posted - 09 Dec 2007 : 11:36:41
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| karamba ,there are powerful people after chavez.he is sitting on the black gold .our situation may be a bit different. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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sisay
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Posted - 10 Dec 2007 : 09:32:08
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Originally posted by bread man
All that is true, but it is also true that Jammeh is by no way proven to be directly responsible for all those attrocities. You see, I do not have anything against those that critisizes Jammeh and justify it. What I am advocating is to also mention his possitive efforts whilst mentioning his flaws. I have always said that if Jammeh is to be the monster he is potraited to be here, he will one day be held responsible. Until then, he is innocent until proven otherwise. (The sweet foundation of democracy).
When finding a suspect or trying a defendent, there main question is regarding motive (indeed there is also the opportunity and means to commit the crime). So the real question here is who stands to benefit from these attrocities? We all know the answer to that, as we know the answer to the other two questions (opportunity and means). There should therefore be no doubt left in anyone's minds as to who is responsible for these attrocities. |
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