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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
 Posted - 08 Mar 2006 : 00:24:25
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Hi fellas,
Well thank you all I appriciate your comments.As Africans or African oregins,we should know our culture because its the richest and so pure that when you ventures in to it,you find yourself unstoppable.I started African history from Home when My gran-ma used to tell us stories about our great ancestors then when I started school(formal education as some called it)I built the interest into it.Now I have quite some stuff about it.
First I refer to Sister sarenata,
Bronx is right I actually said the Jattas are the same with the Njies as they are one and the same.But they are known to be traders so when the Jatta come to trade with the wollof community,they used to say "the seller has come"(Jai kat nyew na.)thus njie came.
The ceesays,Tourays,Jannehs all left manding to look 4 talibehs(Students to teach quran).They were marabouts.But when they came towards the west,they agread to call each other brother are marriage was legal amongst them and they could be cousins.They started calling each other brother and concented their families to marry each other.
4 Trawallehs,the wollofs called them Jobe because they were princes from Mali.
In history Wollofs are decendants of tukulor women and berber traders .....(to be cont.)
The Mandingoes are from Bambaras and the mendes,......(to be cont.)
The Jolas are oreginally not called jollas 4 they are great fermers and palm wine tappers(I should not be misunderstood here ,then there was no religion) the mendes used to called them the "julu jolas" because when you owed them you must pay and likewise when they owed you,they made sure they pay.Thats why they are called the Jolas.They oreginate from arround Zimbabwe.(My research)They arrived in the senegambia region in the early 15th century and never allowed colonisation until when Faday Kabba annexed them and forced them to accept Islam in the late 17 to early 18th century............(2 be cont.)
The Fulas are believed to be the first to arrive in the senegambia region.Because of their nomadic life,(Fulas are two types:Fulani bororo and Fulani Gida) they always settled around grean savana land.But as the Mandingo worriors advanced towards the region,they pushed the normadic fulani inland as they hate to fight with the mandingoes least their cattle perish so they keep moving from place to place.........(to be cont.)
Gassma,
The reason why many people never addopt their mother's surname was a long history and cannot fit in this discussion.But I shall give you some of it in summary:
When men were dominant in handling affairs of the Family,Some of them had addopted the idea that baring female daughters was a bad omen thus somany baby girls were either burried alive or thrown into the evil forest to appeace the Gods.4 it was believed that ahving twins,the first childreen who died in the Family were brought back into the woman's womb to be reborn which as they then believed brings bad omen to the couples espacially the father.So men confused their wives to bring them male childreen or they would have to fall from favour.We men in pre historic Africa and the rest of the world had given women hell and even have to subject them to drinking dangerous harbs from witch docters to bring us our desires.
A woman was believed to be a builder of annother man's home different from her pertanal home thus the surname cannot be of the woman's because the real blood line would be overtaken by her husband.
Women are regarded less then as more attention was focussed on the boy who would be keep the home after dady dies.
Would give more....
4 now, Peace
Mankajang Janyanfara
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Mar 2006 : 08:19:28
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Inheritance lines were the same in uk until very recently. The oldest son got the lot! This was to ensure the family kept its wealth together instead of it being divided and made weaker.
It makes me want to weep to think of those poor baby girls put to oneside or worse....... all that misery for the poor mothers.....
Sadly, in some parts of the world, this is still happening today.
What message does that send to our daughters? I have two lovely daughters.........some people (even in england in 2006) say what a shame you didnt have a son? WHY???!!!! My daughters can do anything in life just like a boy......... They consider themselves equal to men (of course)......
Reading this this morning has made me feel SO SAD. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 08 Mar 2006 : 22:24:29
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| The reason why in some Mandinka families children are called their mother's names or last name is to identify them. There might be 6 Lamins in the same compund but of different mothers. Remember people marry many wives and have lots of kids. ultimately they still maintain their fathers last name. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 03:54:09
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Tank you,
Wel I think brother kondorong has said it all.I must have missed that point.
As men's desire to have as many wives as they possibly can,thus some of their sons or daughters would share the same name and surname.When such things happen,their mothers' names are placed in the middle for easy indentifications: such as samba bintu and samba mariama.
But some families some times call their with the same name by their colour or height eg my two Ancestors- Mankajang and Mankasutung(Both from one parent).
My brother well I intend to become a professor one time in my life but no am not yet one.I am Just a young man seeking knowledge.
Peace to you all
Mankajang Janyanfara. |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 09 Mar 2006 03:59:01 |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 04:58:26
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Janyanfara, when i said i was a female, i wasn't joking, i really am a female. anyways, now, why don't you and Kondorong get together, write a book about Gambia and our peoples (whatever you know), sell it so i can buy one, so i can educate myself, my sister. you know what, did both of you start attending western schools, cause i did since i was nine, and honestly they don't teach about nothing except white, male history. it really does not feel good as an African female to sit and hear about how people think YOUR race and YOUR sex is inferior. so that is why i feel so strongly about learning something about my past. and since both of you are knowledgable in Gambian history and culture, you should share.  |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 07:40:07
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| I would definately buy that book too! |
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Bronx
USA
159 Posts |
Posted - 09 Mar 2006 : 17:37:43
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Kassama,
You may want to read some of Patience Sonko Goodwin's SeneGambia history books. I remeber reading them in high school. They are very informative. It might give you a head start prior to the publication of Janyanfara's book. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2006 : 23:34:48
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Well thank you then sister Gassma
Well first I must tell you I have never seen seen Kondorong b4 but I believed his existence.Now I can even feel him near as we share the same bantaba.One thing ,you want me and kondorong together?
Well I agree on one condition...If he will not circumcise me.
I have written to him on another forum to ask 4 his assurance.I told him that I am not"unaware"(In Mandinka,..."solima ..kuu lonbaloo")but very much aware of the bush(Mandinka,..."kintangoo..kuu londingoo")
If you can garantee this union,then we as a team can make Africa proud of her heritage and many things lost shall came to light.
Brother Bronx is also very right.you should try some of Auntie Sonko-godwin's History of Senegambia.She is an Icon.I reall know her and met her on several occations drank a lot from her vast ocean of knowledge.Her son Martin is a friend of mine(Though I am far older than the boy,I saw him to be the keeper of his mothers belief about African History) He also seems also to have some good home training which I like and admire.
Peace
Mankajang Janyanfara |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 00:13:41
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Jayanfara
Kondorong will always be kondorong and we will have to go to the JU JUO. Well since you have already passed that stage then we can sit together as KINTANGS.
I have never met Jayanfara but he has a very good mastery of the culture. I miss all the Sewrubaas, SAA TEH BAROS ETC. The culture is dying and today very few of our children care.
By the way would know if the word WAA NAA has a hidden meaning. WAA may mean a forest or a kind of tree i believe is called bamboo but some mandinkas wall that Bo.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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justice
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 06:03:59
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KASSAMA
TRY READ THE BOOK RECOMENDED BY BRONX ITS A GOOD BOOK WRITTIN BY AN ICON WHO TAUGHT ME IN NUSRAT HIGH SCHOOL
JERAY JEF |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 17:40:14
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| Mssrs Kondorong and Janyanfara I thank you so much for sharing this with us all. Can either of you tell me about the Hunting? I saw it in Banjul on xmas day. I know what it is on the surface, fund raising and symbolic fun (seemed to be connected to local football teams) but where is it from? What does it mean? Is it connected to certain music? I suspect it is but would be fascinated and grateful if you could tell me more. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2006 : 23:04:06
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Hi bro.
Now that I have got assurance from you that I will not be circumcised again,then we can do a lot together.
WAA NA means comming to forest.Some called it JUUJU WOO, meaning big cornered fenced house.
The Leteral meaning would be comming to have knowledge of you society.
Metaphorically it refers to knowledge of behaviour in society and the role you have to play to make it better.
Brother Formby,
Hunting is found in many tribes with differend names.As it was more then to do with spiritual beings, it was then used in Ancient times to drive the witches and devils away.It can narrate the future and tell the community whether the next season will be fruitful or not.
African history has more nutured beauty and vast brilliance that when you ventured into it,you feel likeleaving every thing to it.If I was not doing International Law,I would have completed my historical research,but if God gives me the time,I shall complete researching Africa pre-weatern and Eastern influence(pre-their religious incolgations into Africa.)
Peace.
Mankajang Janyanfara. |
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kassma
334 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2006 : 08:24:08
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i've looked up her books, but it seems that they are only published in Gambia. i'm in the US, how can i get it? |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 16:41:45
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Kasma,
You will get all the history books about theGambia soon as Somebody from ourgroup will be on her way to the US.She will golive on Bantaba with her address and website.Other Gambian historian books will be sold by her as well.
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