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Originally posted by mbay

These are not my words but look at some verses from the Holy Book:
So it goes to say that God does not choose leaders.
006.123 :Thus have We placed leaders in every town, its wicked men, to plot (and burrow) therein: but they only plot against their own souls, and they perceive it not.

If God chooses leaedrs, why did he send prophets to those leaedrs to do good.
006.125: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.
021.073:And We made them leaders, guiding (men) by Our Command, and We sent them inspiration to do good deeds
032.024 :And We appointed, from among them
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Why punish someone who does not pray, or kill people, or comit adultery or steals etc. The answer is simple. He is in control of his senses and chose a path to evil.
032.021 :And indeed We will make them taste of the Penalty of this (life) prior to the supreme Penalty, in order that they may (repent and) return.

002.257 :Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

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Originally posted by kondorong

You gave a lazy approach to our problems. Would it not be unfair for God to punish us if He makes us do whatever we do.

He gave us the brain to think and know right from wrong. You can only be accountable if you had liberty and freedom of choice. So it goes to say that God does not choose leaders. We do and that is why we will be accountable in the next world.

If God chooses leaedrs, why did he send prophets to those leaedrs to do good. Would it not be easier to make them good people than to take the long winding road of sending prophets. Its simply because we were created sinless and free to make choices and depending on what we choose and how we do it, we will account for our deeds.

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Your quotations are very irrelevant here. Lets dissect the verses.

1.006.123 :Thus have We placed leaders in every town, its wicked men, to plot (and burrow) therein: but they only plot against their own souls, and they perceive it not. These leaders the verse referes to are religious leaedres who rule by word of God and law of Shariah. Such people dont kill, steal or commit adultery.

2.006.125: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.

Only those with a free mind and freedom of choice can decided to refuse. Therefore God is saying of those who refuse to believe and not those whom He has made to refuse to believe. This still indicates we are in control of our minds. Only free people can refuse. I dont think God will make us refuse to obey him and then turn around and punish us. Would you pay a higher airticket because the pilot overlsept and did not depart on time.? Why should you be punished for actions that you had no control of.

3.021.073:And We made them leaders, guiding (men) by Our Command, and We sent them inspiration to do good deeds
032.024 :And We appointed, from among them

This is talking about prophets that God Guideth by his command. Cant you see what the Koran is referring to. Are you then saying that God speaks to jammeh because he appointed him. No wonder he also says his central Bank is from God. If he truly has his Central Bank from Go, why is he shuttling between Taiwan and Banjul begging for handouts, signing loans with WB and IMF. Its a joke and people have misinterpreted islam to satify their own actions.

No wonder he also takes to the higher Divine ground that even if Gambians do not vote for him, the Angels and spirits will vote for him because God put him there. If God put him there then God will not make him accountable for his actions. He must have been ruling according to Gods command and as such he cannot commit any wrongs because God is perfect.

4. 032.021 :And indeed We will make them taste of the Penalty of this (life) prior to the supreme Penalty, in order that they may (repent and) return.

This is very interesting. If God is making us do the bad things how come we could repent and return to him. Only free people in their right minds could repent. Repenting is a regret and you can only repent when you know bad from good and capable of understanding the difference. This morale understanding is characteristic of free people. That is why the verse: faman yahmal miskhala sharatin kairan yaraho, wa man yahmal miskhala sharatin sharan yaraho.( He said he will reward every good deed however small and every bad deed however samll. For God to reward means he is not dictating our actions. We are responsible for our decisions. Its like a school exams.)

I stand corrected.

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Originally posted by mbay

Ok i see that we cant come together on this topic since you are still selecting & hucking up your own mind/ideas beside the word of God!
see you in another topics).

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Originally posted by kondorong

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Originally posted by mbay

These are not my words but look at some verses from the Holy Book:
So it goes to say that God does not choose leaders.
006.123 :Thus have We placed leaders in every town, its wicked men, to plot (and burrow) therein: but they only plot against their own souls, and they perceive it not.

If God chooses leaedrs, why did he send prophets to those leaedrs to do good.
006.125: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.
021.073:And We made them leaders, guiding (men) by Our Command, and We sent them inspiration to do good deeds
032.024 :And We appointed, from among them
Why punish someone who does not pray, or kill people, or comit adultery or steals etc.[/font=Andale Mono

Why punish someone who does not pray, or kill people, or comit adultery or steals etc. The answer is simple. He is in control of his senses and chose a path to evil.
032.021 :And indeed We will make them taste of the Penalty of this (life) prior to the supreme Penalty, in order that they may (repent and) return.

002.257 :Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

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Originally posted by kondorong

You gave a lazy approach to our problems. Would it not be unfair for God to punish us if He makes us do whatever we do.

He gave us the brain to think and know right from wrong. You can only be accountable if you had liberty and freedom of choice. So it goes to say that God does not choose leaders. We do and that is why we will be accountable in the next world.

If God chooses leaedrs, why did he send prophets to those leaedrs to do good. Would it not be easier to make them good people than to take the long winding road of sending prophets. Its simply because we were created sinless and free to make choices and depending on what we choose and how we do it, we will account for our deeds.

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Your quotations are very irrelevant here. Lets dissect the verses.

1.006.123 :Thus have We placed leaders in every town, its wicked men, to plot (and burrow) therein: but they only plot against their own souls, and they perceive it not. These leaders the verse referes to are religious leaedres who rule by word of God and law of Shariah. Such people dont kill, steal or commit adultery.

2.006.125: Those whom Allah (in His plan) willeth to guide,- He openeth their breast to Islam; those whom He willeth to leave straying,- He maketh their breast close and constricted, as if they had to climb up to the skies: thus doth Allah (heap) the penalty on those who refuse to believe.

Only those with a free mind and freedom of choice can decided to refuse. Therefore God is saying of those who refuse to believe and not those whom He has made to refuse to believe. This still indicates we are in control of our minds. Only free people can refuse. I dont think God will make us refuse to obey him and then turn around and punish us. Would you pay a higher airticket because the pilot overlsept and did not depart on time.? Why should you be punished for actions that you had no control of.

3.021.073:And We made them leaders, guiding (men) by Our Command, and We sent them inspiration to do good deeds
032.024 :And We appointed, from among them

This is talking about prophets that God Guideth by his command. Cant you see what the Koran is referring to. Are you then saying that God speaks to jammeh because he appointed him. No wonder he also says his central Bank is from God. If he truly has his Central Bank from Go, why is he shuttling between Taiwan and Banjul begging for handouts, signing loans with WB and IMF. Its a joke and people have misinterpreted islam to satify their own actions.

No wonder he also takes to the higher Divine ground that even if Gambians do not vote for him, the Angels and spirits will vote for him because God put him there. If God put him there then God will not make him accountable for his actions. He must have been ruling according to Gods command and as such he cannot commit any wrongs because God is perfect.

4. 032.021 :And indeed We will make them taste of the Penalty of this (life) prior to the supreme Penalty, in order that they may (repent and) return.

This is very interesting. If God is making us do the bad things how come we could repent and return to him. Only free people in their right minds could repent. Repenting is a regret and you can only repent when you know bad from good and capable of understanding the difference. This morale understanding is characteristic of free people. That is why the verse: faman yahmal miskhala sharatin kairan yaraho, wa man yahmal miskhala sharatin sharan yaraho.( He said he will reward every good deed however small and every bad deed however samll. For God to reward means he is not dictating our actions. We are responsible for our decisions. Its like a school exams.)

I stand corrected.

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