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serenata
Germany
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 Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 15:32:53
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"Many parents who spoke at the meeting called for the re-introduction of corporal punishment in schools in order to achieve quality education."
I was a bit shocked about this sentence from the 'Point' Article 'Headmistress Blames Parents For Children’s Failure':
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines1435.htm
Do these parents really believe that 'quality education' means beating children? I know that corporal punishment is a tradition in Gambian schools, and it has been discussed her before. But maybe these parents just don’t want to be bothered with their children’s school problems and look for a quick solution which does not consume their precious time.
Of course it is not ok that this headmistress puts all the blame on the parents and denies her own responsibility. For best results, teachers and parents should cooperate.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 19:35:19
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Well kids of well to do parents dont have this problem. There is a difference between a group of classroom blocks and a school. Schools need resources, books, specimens etc. This is not a problem in private schools where children of the elite go to.
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 20:05:59
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| Then why don't these parents ask for more support instead of more beating? |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 20:41:18
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Well, perhaps that is the only thing they have. Pressure kids to learn. There are kids that dont have to be beaten and they make the grades. They have the best teachers gambia can provide, sit to Cambridge exams or the GCE A levels whilst others go through a mass promotion cycle of the Basic, Middle and Senior cycles of the masses.
However advocates of the new education poplicy have their schools in private schools. Its POLITIKI NAHATEH. (politics of deceipt) |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 21:08:58
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You know more about the schools in Gambia than I do, I think you must be right.
It is not much different in Germany: There is a HUGE gap between the schools for children of well-to-do parents and the schools for poor children, and more and more rich parents choose private schools for their kids. In lower public schools there is no corporal punishment, but violence is common. Meanwhile these kids are violent not only against each other but also against teachers; this is also a crying shame. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 21:37:19
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Such violences led to the April 10 student deaths. Have you ever heard of a strike in the private schools in the country. No. Some schools are so private that less than 1% of Gambians have heard of their names.
We should stop fooling ourselves. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. It reminds me of the teaching of Swahili in some East African countries as the language of instructions whilst the same advocates send their children to private schools that teach in English. Its the same all over Africa.
POLITIKI NAHATEH. Halifa is right.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 22:32:04
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Originally posted by kondorong
POLITIKI NAHATEH. Halifa is right.
in what sense. personally i am against private schools as i see the long term danger in creating an elitist society. there are student in the best private school who are simply wasting thier parents' money!
the bottom line is you cannot force people where to educate their children. if they have the money so be it.
i think Serenata's point was trying to see how to go round the 'lack of discipline' in pupils by re-introduction of corporal punishment in schools.
i wasnt aware it was banned. Schools/Education is not just about maths and science. its also about manners, discipline, sportmanship,learning to manage money,time etc, being focused!
many kids today are just not focused. i dont know why. Gambia High is a typical example. 9am in the morning 1/2 the school is outside with boys wearing bling-bling, their trousers down to the knees,girls looking like they on the way to the Mall. C'on
they have to know it is their time they are wasting and no one can tell them that.
they have no excuse, there are poor student in other parts of the country less fortunate walking to/fro school and still passing their exams despite the poor equipment.
i came across a german proverb once, '' to be a hook, you have to start bending early''
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 22:36:30
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Originally posted by kondorong
Such violences led to the April 10 student deaths.
What occasion are you referring to?
A school boy was taken to the fire station, returning home he fell death. A girl was accusedly raped by a police man. No investigation were made and the students started a protest march during which several of them where shot dead by army men. Didn´t it happen?? |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Nov 2006 : 23:57:09
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by kondorong
POLITIKI NAHATEH. Halifa is right.
in what sense. personally i am against private schools as i see the long term danger in creating an elitist society. there are student in the best private school who are simply wasting thier parents' money!
the bottom line is you cannot force people where to educate their children. if they have the money so be it.
i think Serenata's point was trying to see how to go round the 'lack of discipline' in pupils by re-introduction of corporal punishment in schools.
i wasnt aware it was banned. Schools/Education is not just about maths and science. its also about manners, discipline, sportmanship,learning to manage money,time etc, being focused!
many kids today are just not focused. i dont know why. Gambia High is a typical example. 9am in the morning 1/2 the school is outside with boys wearing bling-bling, their trousers down to the knees,girls looking like they on the way to the Mall. C'on
they have to know it is their time they are wasting and no one can tell them that.
they have no excuse, there are poor student in other parts of the country less fortunate walking to/fro school and still passing their exams despite the poor equipment.
i came across a german proverb once, '' to be a hook, you have to start bending early''
Since you said you believe in free market forces, then you should believe in private capital as well. Therefore private school is part of the private capital creation and hence responding to demand and supply economics.
You cant have it both ways. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 12:12:40
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Really, njucks, you see the 'free market forces' are a double-edged thing (when Milton Friedman died on the 16th, my grief was really moderate). The extremes are rich kids wasting their time and their parents' money (and - no matter how brainless they are - due to Daddy's money and influence always have well-payed jobs after finishing school), and poor kids walking for hours to reach school because they want to learn, but in spite of all their sacrifices never have a chance to succeed in life.
I think the parents of the above mentioned school just feel helpless, this is why they recur to this outdated 'educational' method. The problem of discipline seems to be ubiquituous; now I hear that it also exists in Africa. But of course - today all kids more or less underlie the same influences. Today a teacher must also know how to motivate the students - and entertain them...
Njucks: 'Was ein Häkchen werden will, krümmt sich beizeiten' is really a true proverb, though it has a slightly ambiguous connotation. It also says that submissive behaviour (sich krümmen also means bending backwards) is learned in childhood. But these are subtleties. |
Edited by - serenata on 30 Nov 2006 12:23:11 |
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Nov 2006 : 21:21:54
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Kwiwi01....www.gainako.com archives 7th Nov ...Ex-GAMSU Prexi Salutes His Fallen Comrades....
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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kiwi
Sweden
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Posted - 04 Dec 2006 : 23:13:52
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| Sab, I read the article. It doesn´t explain how ”such violence”, i.e. kids being violent against each other or against teachers lead to this tragedy. It was not caused by violent students. Of course, it was not you who said it. |
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