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musaamadupembo
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 Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 01:19:44
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According to Time magazine, Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf holds "the world's most dangerous job." He has twice come within inches of assassination. His forces have caught more than 670 members of al Qaeda in the mountains and cities, yet many others remain at large and active, including Osama bin Laden and Ayman Al Zawahiri. Long locked in a deadly embrace with its nuclear neighbor India, Pakistan has come close to full-scale war on two occasions since it first exploded a nuclear bomb in 1998. As President Musharraf struggles for the security and political future of his nation, the stakes could not be higher for the world at large.
It is unprecedented for a sitting head of state to write a memoir as revelatory, detailed, and gripping as In the Line of Fire. Here, for the first time, readers can get a firsthand view of the war on terror in its central theater. President Musharraf details the manhunts for Osama and Zawahiri and their top lieutenants, complete with harrowing cat-and-mouse games, informants, interceptions, and bloody firefights. He tells the stories of the near-miss assassination attempts, not only against himself but against Shaukut Aziz (later elected prime minister) and one of his top army officers (later the vice chief of army staff), and of the abduction and beheading of Daniel Pearl -- as well as the forensic and shoe-leather investigations that uncovered the perpetrators. He details the army's mountain operations that have swept several valleys clean, and he talks about the areas of North Waziristan where al Qaeda is still operating.
Yet the war on terror is just one of the many headline-making subjects in In the Line of Fire. The full story of the events that brought President Musharraf to power in 1999 is told for the first time. He reveals new details of the 1999 confrontation with India in Kashmir (the Kargil conflict) and offers a proposal for resolving the Kashmir dispute.
He offers a portrait of Mullah Omar, with stories of Pakistan's attempts to negotiate with him. Concerning A. Q. Khan and his proliferation network, he explains what the government knew and when it knew it, and he reveals fascinating details of Khan's operations and the investigations into them.
In addition, President Musharraf takes many stances that will make news. He calls for the Muslim world to recognize Israel once a viable Palestinian state is created. He urges the repeal of Pakistan's 1979 Hudood law. He calls for the emancipation of women and for their full political equality with men. He tells the sad story of Pakistan's experience with democracy and what he has done to make it workable.
Product Details
Free Press, September 2006
Hardcover, 368 pages
ISBN-10: 0-7432-8344-9
ISBN-13: 978-0-7432-8344-1
Review of the Book:-
General Pervez Musharraf
Military misjudgment
Oct 5th 2006
From The Economist print edition
The Pakistani leader's memoir may be a bestseller, but it does him little justice
THERE are good things to be said about General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's president and army chief, and he is, as he might put it, proud and unstinting in his resolution to say them, over and over, in his cliché-ridden and boringly boastful autobiography, “In the Line of Fire”.
General Musharraf—and there are enough phrases familiar to those who have followed his career to prove that he wrote quite a lot of it—comes across as humourless, vain and insecure. Sentences as smug as, “My career was now well on course, given all my qualifications and achievements”, are spattered across almost every page. There are many references to the president's (allegedly) fine musculature. Any less than glorious event in his life, after at least a refreshingly sinful youth, is blamed on some less worthy individual, a dull superior or jealous peer, whom the author is all too happy to name. And yet, painful though it is to read, this is a quite remarkable book, about dramatic events and, as the occasional sentence lets slip, an interesting and impressive man.
For a start, the book's timing is remarkable. It is unusual for serving heads-of-state to publish memoirs, for good reason. General Musharraf denigrates Pakistan's chief ally, America, for the bullying way in which it manages its foreign policy and for failing to live up to its promises. He is also bafflingly rude about India, given that he has staked his name on making peace with it. Of India's leader, he says: “The initial signs of sincerity and flexibility that I sensed in Manmohan Singh seem to be withering away.” He suggests that Osama bin Laden is not, as often supposed, in Pakistan's wild northern areas, but in eastern Afghanistan. Hamid Karzai, Afghanistan's leader, whom General Musharraf accused of resembling an ostrich last week at a bad-tempered summit in Washington, DC, is not pleased by the book. Neither is almost anyone in Pakistan, although it is selling briskly there (see article). General Musharraf scorns most of the country's civilian politicians—tactless, if justifiable—including some of his supporters.
Insults aside, the book does not tell us much that is new. Most interesting are the details of events leading to the arrest in Pakistan of several top terrorists, including Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, the architect of the attacks on the twin towers, and other al-Qaeda members; General Musharraf says 689 al-Qaeda members have been arrested, of whom 369 have been handed over to America. That is a testament to the efficiency of Pakistan's security services, even though Mr Musharraf accuses America of having failed to provide the technical kit it promised.
Such digs at the superpower may be for the benefit of Pakistanis, many of whom find General Musharraf too quick to leap to its bidding. But the book is meant for a Western audience, by whom, it is clear, General Musharraf considers himself ill judged. It contains bold treatises on the political and economic reforms he has overseen since stealing power in his 1999 coup. These include a messy, but promising, effort to devolve power to the local level, and the creation of elected councils with fixed quotas for women representatives. There are also quotas for women in provincial and national assemblies. General Musharraf has given a boost to female emancipation in Pakistan, although the full impact of the changes he has introduced will not be felt soon. Even better, he has delivered broad structural improvements to Pakistan's economy, which had been in a desperate way. This was not, as he suggests, the result of his own genius. He is economically semi-literate. But he can take credit for appointing wise technocrats.
In short, heaven forbid that anyone unfamiliar with Pakistan should wholly trust this book. General Musharraf is as partial as any campaigning politician. One monstrous example is his account of a short war with India at Kargil in 1999, when he was merely army chief. It began when Pakistani state-sponsored jihadist militants attacked across the front-line in contested Kashmir, drawing a ferocious Indian response. General Musharraf calls this an over-reaction—but if it were, it was understandable—and he says that India's army came off worse in the fray, even to the point where the military ran out of coffins for their dead. Yet he omits to mention the hundreds—some say thousands—of Pakistani fighters who were slaughtered in a humiliating retreat.
Disingenuously, he says the war at Kargil was an important catalyst in the peace process that followed: if that is true, it is because Pakistan, not India, was forced to the table by the drubbing it took there.
An election is due in Pakistan next year, and General Musharraf is increasingly unpopular. This is because of a litany of perceived failures, including a muddle-headed war he has prosecuted in the northern areas, and rising inflation. It is also because, despite their appalling experiences of civilian leadership, and their acquiescence in his coup, Pakistanis have tired of army rule.
The bad news in this book is that General Musharraf refuses to recognise this truth: “The Pakistan Army has always been held in high esteem as the only powerful stabilising factor in the nation,” he insists. He does not seem to show any inclination to quit his twin role, as he is constitutionally obliged to do.
In the Line of Fire: A Memoir
By Pervez Musharraf
Free Press; 354 pages; $28.
Simon and Schuster; £18.99
Buy it at
Amazon.com
Amazon.co.uk
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 11:38:04
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Thesis and antithesis in the one and the many political power men.
Dual nature. It’s these contradictions that Mao talks about. Many truths in that.
( Poor Hallaj, he got crucified for insisting, " I am the truth!" )
Musharaff. Why do they call him “The Bush-araff” ?
Consider this aspect of truth:
Meaning that he really wants to, but he is afraid. He fears.
When is it not wise to fear when you want to?
It is not Musharraf alone who fears or dares.
They should have another conference with Hamas. Democratically eleceted Hamas cannot be marginalised from the process and cannot be expected to recant the platform on which agenda they were elected.
Busharraf should be making more noises about that too, about a time-
table.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=112744
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=112700
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=89122
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=112714
and
http://www.israpundit.com/2006/?p=2830#respond
and
on the other hand,
a few directions.
That is not all
and
Mao@
http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/works/red-book/ch06.htm
reconsider:
U.S. imperialism invaded China's territory of Taiwan and has occupied it for the past nine years. A short while ago it sent its armed forces to invade and occupy Lebanon. The United States has set up hundreds of military bases in many countries all over the world. China's territory of Taiwan, Lebanon and all military bases of the United States on foreign soil are so many nooses round the neck of U.S. imperialism. The nooses have been fashioned by the Americans themselves and by nobody else, and it is they themselves who have put these nooses round their own necks, handing the ends of the ropes to the Chinese people, the peoples of the Arab countries and all the peoples of the world who love peace and oppose aggression. The longer the U.S. aggressors remain in those places, the tighter the nooses round their necks will become.
Speech at the Supreme State Conference (September 8, 1958).
And that’s not all
Or
The
end.
Islam equipped with nuclear capability,
and who knows, at the service of jihad!
Indeed, here is the latest fear:
http://ws.giyus.org/points/point?id=281
Pakistan has what was and is feared in certain quarters , as “ the Islamic bomb”, that is Islam AND tha bomb. “Brothers –in-arms” as you would be apt to say, brother Musa – and there are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan, even at cricket.
Enough is enough. You may fast or feast on these full-flavoured parts:
http://www.spacewar.com/2005/050811120743.8onpw02t.html
http://www.statsvet.su.se/publikationer/ahmed/ahmed_daily_times_2003.htm
http://www.statsvet.su.se/publikationer/ahmed/artiklar_2003/50_03_musharraf.htm
http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/tam/recent
http://www.hvk.org/articles/1103/main.html
http://www.sasnet.lu.se/recreading.html
http://pakistaniat.com/2006/07/28/atp-poll-what-will-you-advise-musharraf/
http://pakistaniat.wordpress.com/2006/07/28/atp-poll-what-will-you-advise-musharraf/
http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00006861&channel=gulberg&threshold=1&layout=0&order=0&start=750&end=759&page=1
http://www.mukto-mona.com/human_rights/index.html
can you imagine what it would be like in the west, if people could be taken to court, tried and executed for the blasphemy of saying that Christ did not die on the cross? |
Edited by - Cornelius on 10 Oct 2006 14:28:32 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 13:09:15
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Cornelius and Musa. Can you help with origination or definition of blasphemy and how it applies or work, to handle or test the theory and practice through this interesting question?
QUOTES FROM Cornelius above:
"can you imagine what it would be like in the west, if people could be taken to court, tried and executed for the blasphemy of saying that Christ did not die on the cross." |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 16:00:18
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Cornelius I have covered all your links and looking at them appears to be EXTREMIST views against Pakistan, palestine and Islam. Am not optimistic whether selling theses views will help PEACE to be achieved at all, due to extremism from both sides or between politics of the Jews and Arabs. Its just AGGRESSIVENESS and total disparity of PARALLEL IDEOLOGIES from both ENDS. There is no convergence as each heads to its own DESTINY with different traffic rules towards the directions their LEADERS are steering them politically. No one is seeing SENSE and the right direction to take and it appears both are in LIMBO and an EXTERNAL COURSE!
Why can't each clinch to your own religion and forget about WAR, HATRED AND GENOCIDE PHOBIAS with common sense, civilisation (for an advanced society or peaceful world order) and humanity invoked to sort out these crises? |
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musaamadupembo
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 19:17:48
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Brother Kobo,
Assalamu Alaykum wa ramatullah Wa barakatuhu.
I thought of sharing/bringing to the attention of members of this forum an important book since General Musharraf is at the centre stage of World Politics at the moment.Needless, to say that Intelligence Agencies in Europe and America will be going through that book with a fine tooth comb to pick what ever scrap of information they can to help them on there "war on terror".
I will leave brother Cornelius to answer your question.
The best of salam and the blessings of Ramadan,
musa.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 19:40:50
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I really appreciate Musa because that promotes this forum to be very viable for information, education and knowlege sharing. However to some they may see your launching of this memoir as glorifying Musharraf or Islamic leaders under present war on terror and world political climate. There are no points scoring and competitiveness for promotion or recommendation of it. It is counter-productive and result to our total dis-orientaion and futile exercises where there are competitivenes and points scoring approaches. I am seeking and sharing and trying to exploit the potentials of Bantaba, to tap its maximum benefits from other members.
Its not about cyberwar but genuie fruitful exchanges and freedom of expressions of course! Every one has the rights and sense of perceptions that are different with other members. However lets continue a healthy atmosphere and condone any materials that flows through; as this forum has an open door policy.
Thanks for your comments and I await brother Cornelius on some of my questions, in particular about balsphemy! |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 13:28:09
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Kobo, my ribs are aching, please remove the question of blasphemy to the religion section.
Take a look at all this religion business at fundamental Foreign Affairs:
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/
and as a response to your sun, I listened to Ruth Kelly's speech on Sky News
( from Westminster) the essence of which was that Terrorism does not have roots in UK Foreign Policy. Here’s Sky’s
reply to your Sun:
http://search.sky.com/search/skynews/results?QUERY=Ruth+Kelly+speech&CID=30000
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13546569,00.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-13539384,00.html
Those North Koreans are “foaming at the mouth!” look out, take cover under that umbrella!
Remember these words
“ Well, I don't know, but I've been told
The streets in heaven are lined with gold
I ask you how things could get much worse
If the Russians happen to get up there first.
Wowee! Pretty scary!” Jeeez!
http://bobdylan.com/songs/befree10.html
and you too hope like Sweet baby James very ultimately the wish is
“I hope it don’t fall on me!” and us, but over a year ago the North Korean spokesman
had said quite calmly that if attacked HIS COUNTRY “ WOULD ROOT OUT THE SOURCE OF ALL EVIL IN THIS WORLD.”
Now we don’t want to stress with more pressure than they can bear and when a man
becomes desperate there’s no telling what he cannot do – especially hungry and with a national suicide-bomber mentality.
Yes, Kobo, trust in the Lord but don’t forget to keep your gunpowder dry.
Trust in the Lord, but don’t forget to tie your camel.
Plus Iranian ambitions and the Kuffar? ( Sheikh Hassan will also be in Imam Mahdi alaihi salaam’s army. All I can say is
Ya Ali!
It’s time for Jesus to come back soon – and quickly, who was it that said those who use the sword will perish by the sword?
Now rest assured that there are no massive nuclear warheads targeting the Gambia
( now I understand why some of the descendants of my British and German ancestors are building homes so far away from home… ( smile) We in Sweden
are even more peaceful than the rest of Europe put together and here’s a man to watch:
CARL BILDT our ( Sweden’s) new Foreign Minister.
NO.1 he wants a Palestinian State ( side by side with their neighbours)
His personal blog
http://bildt.blogspot.com/
To get a taste of Bildt humour , ( during the world cup) read this:
http://bildt.blogspot.com/2006/06/great-national-trauma.html
N.b. The King has not abdicated! |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 13:42:43
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Cornelius, if you decide quoting me, do it correctly. Furthermore I ask you to leave my person out of your postings. I hope you are not starting to provoke your final ban.
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 14:01:32
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quote:
Originally posted by kobo
Cornelius I have covered all your links and looking at them appears to be EXTREMIST views against Pakistan, palestine and Islam. Am not optimistic whether selling theses views will help PEACE to be achieved at all, due to extremism from both sides or between politics of the Jews and Arabs. Its just AGGRESSIVENESS and total disparity of PARALLEL IDEOLOGIES from both ENDS. There is no convergence as each heads to its own DESTINY with different traffic rules towards the directions their LEADERS are steering them politically. No one is seeing SENSE and the right direction to take and it appears both are in LIMBO and an EXTERNAL COURSE!
Why can't each clinch to your own religion and forget about WAR, HATRED AND GENOCIDE PHOBIAS with common sense, civilisation (for an advanced society or peaceful world order) and humanity invoked to sort out these crises?
KOBO,
I am also asking your last question!
I did not find any “EXTREMIST views against Pakistan, palestine and Islam” in the links that you went through.
You must be more moderate with your Arabized tendency to exaggeration. If North Korea for example threatens the peace of the neighbourhood, would you call the reactions of those who feel themselves threatened, as “extremist” ?
Not even if you were wearing Musharraf's boots you wouldn’t call the opposition “Extremist”.
Extremist is the word that the Kuffar use, when it suits their purpose. Look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.death.toll.ap/index.html
How can a regular Muslim like you be sounding like John Lennon?
http://www.bagism.com/lyrics/imagine-lyrics.html#Imagine
Jihad is Jihad my brother whether you view the Talibanic beard as extremely longer than the standards established by the Sunnah vs. personal taste, or not. Stand firm or feed worm (Peter Tosh)
That's why and how you are enjoying material luxuries upa there ina Glasgow - the new art centre of Europe and all that staggering wealth in the US too has to be protected along with the source of the steady supply of raw materials ensured.
Ishtiaq Ahmed is Pakistani. So is Pervez Manzoor:
http://www.algonet.se/~pmanzoor/7new.htm
Ramadan Karim!
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Cornelius
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 14:16:14
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quote:
Originally posted by serenata
Cornelius, if you decide quoting me, do it correctly. Furthermore I ask you to leave my person out of your postings. I hope you are not starting to provoke your final ban.
Serenata,
So you’re still alive! Good that you are not missing in action. I am African and a brother to all Gambians. I do not look forward to my “final ban.”, no matter how much you may pray for it.
I have made the appropriate amendments. Sorry if you were offended by something as innocuous as what I said. I have a few German relatives surviving.
This evening I hope to be well enough to attend the meeting with ANTONIO LOBO ANTUNES at our Kulturhuset here in Stockholm.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ANTONIO+LOBO+ANTUNES%3A&btnG=Google+Search
I have a ticket which cost Kr.80 - hope to see someone there.
http://www.kulturhuset.stockholm.se/default.asp?id=3198&Category=Internationell+f%C3%B6rfattarscen
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 14:46:33
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Cornelius, if you are an African as you say, how comes that you have 'surviving' German relatives? Surviving from what?
This is not the first time you indirectly offend me as a German. Btw I remember a good Jewish friend saying that those who cry the loudest about the Holocaust mostly are those who never had any experience with it. I knew some survivors, and those people were silent in an alarming way from all the horrors they encountered. Don't abuse the victims for a childish and tasteless power game. |
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Cornelius
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 15:16:56
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From your earlier postings, ( before I entered our Banataba) you have made it crystal clear that you are a Roman Catholic. I respect that.
You have also made it clear that you want to provoke my "final ban" - for the moderator to excommunicate me from our Bantaba.
Yes, I do have German relatives in Germany, Holland and the United States of America.
“Surviving from what?” you ask.
Don't be daft Serenata, it could only be from the HOLOCAUST, what else? Rostock?
On Erev Yom Kippur I travelled with Maurice a Polish survivor of Auschwitz.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Auschwitz&spell=1
He came to Sweden as a nineteen-year-old in 1945. He is now 80 years old. Yes, I know a number of survivors and outside the great Synagogue of Stockholm, there is a Holocaust Memorial Plaque which I have gone past hundreds of times, not on my way to the synagogue but on my way to the library. There are always stones left by visitors to the wall.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=+Holocaust+memorial+Plaque+in+Stockholm&btnG=Search
Now, do your level best and don’t trivialise anything and don’t make me angry and if you do, I’ll just ignore you and leave you to these all too sensitive matters and your five senses.
Any more questions?
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 16:14:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg
You have also made it clear that you want to provoke my "final ban" - for the moderator to excommunicate me from our Bantaba.
Any more questions?
Indeed I have questions.
First, which evidence do you have that I want to provoke your ban? If you are writing here or not is of no interest for me. In my eyes you disqualified yourself for the exchange of ideas, but this is my personal view. Though you have been banned twice from this forum, others may get along with you.
We could simply ignore each other. I did so, but you seem to crave attention by constant affronts, to me or to others. So, who is provoking?
And now, dear Cornelius, kish mer en toches. |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 16:40:52
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Cleopatra Schweinsteiger
whatever you would like to do to me
I would also like to do to you.
The rest is commentary. |
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musaamadupembo
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 16:55:37
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quote:
Originally posted by Cornelius Hamelberg
quote:
Originally posted by kobo
Cornelius I have covered all your links and looking at them appears to be EXTREMIST views against Pakistan, palestine and Islam. Am not optimistic whether selling theses views will help PEACE to be achieved at all, due to extremism from both sides or between politics of the Jews and Arabs. Its just AGGRESSIVENESS and total disparity of PARALLEL IDEOLOGIES from both ENDS. There is no convergence as each heads to its own DESTINY with different traffic rules towards the directions their LEADERS are steering them politically. No one is seeing SENSE and the right direction to take and it appears both are in LIMBO and an EXTERNAL COURSE!
Why can't each clinch to your own religion and forget about WAR, HATRED AND GENOCIDE PHOBIAS with common sense, civilisation (for an advanced society or peaceful world order) and humanity invoked to sort out these crises?
Musa,
I am also asking your last question!
I did not find any “EXTREMIST views against Pakistan, palestine and Islam” in the links that you went through.
You must be more moderate with your Arabized tendency to exaggeration. If North Korea for example threatens the peace of the neighbourhood, would you call the reactions of those who feel themselves threatened, as “extremist” ?
Not even if you were wearing Musharraf's boots you wouldn’t call the opposition “Extremist”.
Extremist is the word that the Kuffar use, when it suits their purpose. Look at this:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.death.toll.ap/index.html
How can a regular Muslim like you be sounding like John Lennon?
http://www.bagism.com/lyrics/imagine-lyrics.html#Imagine
Jihad is Jihad my brother whether you view the Talibanic beard as extremely longe than the standards established by the Sunnah vs. personal taste, or not. Stand firm or feed worm (Peter Tosh)
That's why and how you are enjoying material luxuries upa there ina Glasgow - the new art centre of Europe and all that staggering wealth in the US too has to be protected along with the source of the steady supply of raw materials ensured.
Ishtiaq Ahmed is Pakistani. So is Pervez Manzoor:
http://www.algonet.se/~pmanzoor/7new.htm
Ramadan Karim!
Brother Cornelius,
I think you are attributing something to me,of which I am not the author.It was brother Kobo who made the above points.
Btw,I sent the the posting of "A memoir by Pervez Musharraf" just to broaden our horizon of World politics.What ever,people may think or not think about Pervez Musharraf that is their business.
So,I will suggest all of us do every thing possible to make Bantaba Home from Home,a colloquium of minds,where we try to make friends and not enemies.
Have a Blessed day,
Musa.
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Cornelius
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 17:41:32
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OK. Sorry, I meant Kobo. Not Musa Pembo.
There are certain matters that I am not prepared to make any compromises about.
Make love not war.....yes? |
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