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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 07 Sep 2013 : 21:56:44
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1 PDOIS’ statement on 22nd. JULY, 2013
PDOIS’ statement on 22nd. JULY, 2013
The young should be told the truth
ISSUED BY HALIFA SALLAH, 31 July, 2013
SECRETARY GENERAL
19 Years ago ,on 21st. July 1994 ,to be precise, PDOIS’ Central Committee was forced to hold an emergency meeting when information was received that there were strange movements taking place after a coup was reported to have been foiled upon Jawara’s return from a foreign trip. We did not know at the time that that was the eve of a major transformation in the political life of the country. The rest is history.
PDOIS will not invent that history. We will write the unalloyed truth by simply referring to what PDOIS wrote in black and white and published on 24 July, 1994, to confirm to the Gambian people how the coup unfolded from beginning to finish and the role PDOIS played during the period....
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2. FOROYAA BURNING ISSUES PDOIS’ STATEMENT ON 22ND. JULY,2013 THE YOUNG SHOULD BE TOLD THE TRUTH PART 1 - 12
Published on Saturday, 07 September 2013 15:13 | Written by Halifa Sallah
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Sep 2013 : 18:31:10
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| Soveriegnty of the people; hang on a minute, how comes he partake in the 'yes' campaign for the constitution when no one was allowed to campaign against. is that how sovereignty of the people is conscientiously defended?? Halifax cannot re-write history. Thanks |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2013 : 03:54:04
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THE GAMBIA'S POLITICAL HISTORY IS ALREADY WRITTEN BY OUR LIVING LEGENDS AND RENOWN STATESMEN INCLUDING HALIFA SALLAH!
I have search for The Gambia Bar Association contributions on draft constitution which I have read and kept a copy lost long time. It would have been interesting to review it as many stakeholders were involved in the constitution. However the following provide more useful interesting information on The Gambia Constitution and revisited again under this topic;
1. SOURCE 1- GAMBIA-L Re:1997 Constitution
"Joe,
Thank you for the message. I know I am beginning to sound like a broken record. I also feel that the topic has been exhausted. However, I do not have a choice. I have been placed in an accused box. As long as the questions keep on coming, I will have to continue to answer. Of course, my humble view is that we have reached the stage of agreeing or agreeing to disagree.
All reasonable human beings know that history does not develop just as we please. Our choices and decisions are dictated by the length and breadth of the circumstances we inherit.
It is not in dispute that The Gambia had to have a constitution in order to move to a constitutional order after the coup. It is not in dispute that the 1997 Constitution is superior to the 1970 constitution. It is not in dispute that the 1997 constitution has flaws. The point at issue now is whether those flaws should have led to its total rejection or not.
My position is that since the 1997 constitution has essentially the same flaws as the 1970 constitution which had obtained for 24 years prior to the coup; taking into consideration that contains superior provisions which empower the National Assembly to have more effective control over the executive and the people greater power to control misrepresentation through the exercise of the right to recall, it was best to accept it and start from there to work for the elimination of its flaws. This could be done in two ways: if the people had elected another government other than APRC, the changes could have been inevitable. Where the APRC is in office, more pressure could be exerted where freedom of expression and association are guaranteed for changes than under a coup set-up. This is my point.
For Hamjatta and Saul, the 1997 constitution should have been rejected. According to them, we should have gone back to the drawing board for a new draft, and may I add, under a coup set-up. What they fail to explain is when that new draft would have been acceptable to those who held power and the people in general. All they seem to say is that Gambians and the international community would have put pressure for an ideal constitution to emerge. They are yet to explain why that internal and external pressure has not been brought to bear since 1997 to deal with the flaws which should have led to the rejection of the constitution, as well as the banning of major parties which claimed to have very large mass following.
Since my position is sensible to me, and their position is sensible to them, we should just simply agree to disagree, full stop. They are free to say that I was in error; I am also free to call them dreamers if I so desire. This is how matters stand.
I agree with you that nothing new can be added to these two different positions. It should be left to the rest of the G-L members to decide which position they would have supported if they had not had the opportunity to vote 'yes' or 'no' during the referendum.
If you are interested in some of the booklets we produced during the period, they are available. FOROYAA produced the whole draft constitution in twelve booklets which cost D24.00 as compared to D100.00 for the whole draft constitution produced by the then Printing Department. Anybody who is interested may contact us. I believe those who have seen these pamphlets could already confirm that we took a very critical view of the provisions of the draft constitution and had made many recommendations in those booklets. In fact some people used to take these criticisms and make them their own and then attribute to us a very uncritical posture that is a classic case of drinking from the well and spitting in it at the same time. Pardon me if I sound a bit arrogant.
I hope I have not bored you by this intervention. I am simply trying to throw more light on what we tried to do during this period to contribute our quota in shaping the future of the country even though we did not have any army or control any mass movement to put pressure on anyone to do anything.
Halifa Sallah." AND FROM THE HORSE MOUTH 
2. RELATED FOROYAA's REVIEW OF THE DRAFT CONSTITUTION OF THE SECOND REPUBLIC ;
Thank you Halifa Sallah for helping in Chairman Jammeh's AFPRC presiding over the christening of UDP and NRP, conceived by "YES CAMPAIGN" of this so-called flawed constitution and by default allowing their leaders be POLITICIANS AND NOW CLAIMING PRIVILEGES TO RULE THE NATION
NO ONE WILL STEAL CREDIBILITY AND CREDENTIALS HERE! BABOON WORK MONKEY EAT! SORRY NAADA |
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sankalanka
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Posted - 09 Sep 2013 : 17:21:57
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Kobo, excellent work as usual. No one can distort the history of our country in the making; PDOIS and Halifa has the foresight to record everything. They understand the dialectics; they understand the evolution, and they understand the historical process that will eventually create an outcome. What will this outcome be, depends on the historical circumstances that emerge through each and every situation. And this situation could be political, economic or otherwise.
This is the advantage that PDOIS, and in particular Halifa has in their ability to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution. They take the time to study each and every political development, and using methodologies and strategic thinking evaluations, foster their understanding of these processes and impact their eventual outcome.
They are on top of their game. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 12 Sep 2013 : 00:36:15
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This is the advantage that PDOIS, and in particular Halifa has in their ability to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution
Please help me understand what you mean.
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sankalanka
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Posted - 12 Sep 2013 : 03:52:03
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"This is the advantage that PDOIS, and in particular Halifa has in their ability to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution."
Janko, thanks for the question. First of all, PDOIS's appearance on the Gambian political scene is not an accident. It is a deliberate, calculated and purposeful intent to guide and shape the political developments in the country since its inception. It has a mission and it also has a vision.
Secondly, PDOIS's mission and vision is informed by the historical developments that has taken place in the country since the time of colonialism. The evolutionary process from colonialism to the Gambia's attainment of Republican status with all its inherent contradictions, created an understanding and awareness to the founding members of PDOIS as to the type of society they can help to build in the Gambia.
What they had in mind was not wishful thinking or a Utopian fantasy, but ideas borne out of the historical realities that were present through Gambia's political evolution from colonialism to Republican status.
And as such most of the political literature that was produced to create awareness and consciousness, was done within the context of the Gambia's social, economic and political realities.
When I talked about the advantage that PDOIS has, I am talking about the totality of their political perspective that takes not only the short term political realities, but also its long term implications into consideration as well.
And yes, what is going on in the Gambia is a process; a political process, an evolution, that has created its revolution twice in 1981 and in 1994.
PDOIS understands this process and this evolution, and given the role they have played and continue to play in this political process they have indeed dictated and guided it.
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dembis
Sweden
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Posted - 12 Sep 2013 : 12:11:52
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Nyarikagbana or paka nyaribol what problem do you have with Halifa Sallah personally? Anytime somebody gives Halifa a credit for good work, you always have a problem with it. Write your full name coward and stop hiding if you want to prove a point. Halifa declared himself a socialist and a very strong pillar of our democracy and it will be forever. When president Jammeh was witch hunting our elders in the villages, where were you and your coward politcal leaders? Stop running to the embassies because this time you are and all of your team are getting too old to climb 2 metres fences. Do you or any of your party members can come up with documents or articles like Halifa did, because we want to have more than PDOIS`s articles.
Momodou, do you know when Pa Nderry Mbaye is coming to Malmö and Köpenhavn and also the date and place of the meeting?
P.s my full name is Ngange Demba Njie |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 12 Sep 2013 : 20:10:43
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| Dembis, I have no idea. Someone told me that he was supposed to be in Copenhagen last weekend. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Sep 2013 : 22:56:19
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It is crystal clear from the above that Halifa and others in the 'yes' Campaign, the only people allowed to campaign, sold the constitution the Gambian people not on the basis of its merits but some extraneous reasons, and now Halifa is saying those extraneous reasons- fear- are actually valid justification. How can that be when those reasons have no bearing whatsoever, on the merits or demerits of the constitution??
A respect for the sovereignty of the people should have required the people to make an informed decision, based on what they know about the merits and de-merits of the instrument, as to whether or not to approve it. Halifa, Sidia and Sam Sarr using their Foroyaa medium, collaborated with the junta to make sure that doesn’t happen. Hence, the reason why a 'No Campaign' was not allowed to emerge. This is the fact.
In the world of democracy, constitutions are voted for or against on the basis of their merits or lack of it, and this requires people to be allowed to freely campaign for or against the constitution prior to any vote taking place. Anything short of this is pervasive and should be considered an affront to the soveriegnty of the people.
This Halifa Sallah notion that the National Assembly is empowered by the 1997 constitution is ludicrous given that the president can effectively and lawfully remove an elected member of parliament. In that kind of circumstance, it is only natural that MPs will be more concern about keeping their jobs rather holding the Executive and the president to account.
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 15 Sep 2013 23:07:16 |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 16 Sep 2013 : 00:18:23
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Thanks for your time, sankalanka.
It is very clear that you are on a higher level than I am.
Excuse my pace, do you mean, the present political state in Gambia is dictated and guided by PDOIS?
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2013 : 01:37:17
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Janko DO YOU UNDERSTAND OR COMPREHEND THIS STATEMENT;
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Originally posted by Sankalanka
This is the advantage that PDOIS, and in particular Halifa has in their ability to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution
TRANSLATED BY YOU (JANKO) QUESTIONING WHETHER IT MEANS THAT
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Originally posted by Janko
...., the present political state in Gambia is dictated and guided by PDOIS?
WHY DO YOU PERCEIVED IT MEANS THAT? WHAT AN IRONY |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2013 : 09:50:40
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Kobo, welcome back, its been a while, hope all is well with you and yours.
Trust me, it is no satire, I am trying to understand. I suppose that's why writing has both advantages and disadvantages and we should be mindful of what we write. Hence words generate meanings beyond the intention of the writer. Especially, political writing and commentry.
As you can see I have difficulty understanding sankalanka.
"to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution"
Break it down for me, please, help me understand.
Let those who know tell us who do not know.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 16 Sep 2013 10:08:07 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2013 : 11:42:33
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1. Janko quote:
Originally posted by Sankalanka
This is the advantage that PDOIS, and in particular Halifa has in their ability to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution
I may be wrong to understand remark. It RESONATES TO ME and "This is the advantage that PDOIS, and in particular Halifa has in their ability to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution" implied that; by active participation in nation's political process; being very vocal in nation's political discourse; positive or assertive in media, speech, tone, manner, vibrant political platform, advocacy, etc; observed that "PDOIS is firmly on the ground working for change to the best of its ability and fully prepared to thrust its support of any credible initiative that would enhance any political agenda or policy change (for betterment of society and national development)." Considering "PDOIS of course is ever present as the major human rights defender in the country in the absence of civil society. Its visibility is more pronounced today than it ever was."; evident from its clear CIVIC EDUCATION, GOOD GOVERNANCE, RULE OF LAW, VISIONS, PROGRAMS, POLICIES & APPROACH IN ADDRESSING NATIONAL ISSUES, among others; supported Sankalanka's mindset to merely acknowledge a STATEMENT OF FACT and STRONGLY positioning both PDOIS and Halifa Sallah on the political landscape of the Gambia and/or its "political evolution" process (past & present), in a dynamic enviable AUTHORITATIVE political position
NB: ENGLISH IS OUR SECOND LANGUAGE BUT HOPE MY COMMENTS HELPS YOU TO UNDERSTAND CERTAIN POINTS UNTIL SANKALANKA CLARIFY FOR YOU.
2 PDOIS’ statement on 22nd. JULY, 2013
PDOIS’ statement on 22nd. JULY, 2013
The young should be told the truth
ISSUED BY HALIFA SALLAH, 31 July, 2013
Parts 1 3, 14, 15 & 16
THE COLLAPSE AND RECONSTRUCTION 0F THE AFPRC AFTER 11 NOV. 1994
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sankalanka
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Posted - 17 Sep 2013 : 03:26:15
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"As you can see I have difficulty understanding sankalanka.
"to dictate and guide the historical process of this political evolution"
Janko, your observation is well noted. It is not that what I write assumed a meaning that is not intended, but most probably the use of the words dictate, guide, historical process and political evolution in the same sentence structure, makes it difficult to decipher the reasoning behind the statement.
First, we know that there is a historical process and a political evolution with respects to politics in the Gambia. The political evolution is from the first republic to the second republic. The historical process is the developments that takes place from the colonial period to the founding of our republics, both first and second.
The question becomes does PDOIS, and Halifa, in particular in any way "dictated" and "guided" these processes. I put the words dictate and guide in codes until I am sufficiently able to convince you.
After the Gambia gained political independence, the P.P.P emerged as the dominant political party. Other opposition political parties also emerged, but they had no considerable impact in the political process. They exited the political stage without leaving any indelible marks and became footnotes in our history.
PDOIS emerged. They have a considerable impact in the political process. Through a systematic campaign of political awareness and consciousness, they helped us understand the instruments of the state and its mode of governance, and in so doing contributed immensely to help build an informed citizenry.
To be able to "dictate" and "guide" the political process, presupposes that one understands the instruments of the state and its mode of governance, that also invariably helps to build an informed citizenry.
The opposition political parties of the past never helped the people to understand the instruments of the state, nor did they help to build an informed citizenry. Hence they all exited the political stage without making any considerable impact.
Contrast these political parties to PDOIS, that is leaving its indelible marks and is also making a huge impact as our political process evolves.
In essence, what I am trying to impart in that statement is that either through their writings or their actions, PDOIS has been able to guide how the political process evolves. And Halifa undoubtedly has been a formidable player in all this.
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 20 Sep 2013 : 13:41:13
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Thanks Kobo ,
Sankalanka, thanks for keeping up with my pace.
"…Through a systematic campaign of political awareness and consciousness, they helped us understand the instruments of the state and its mode of governance, and in so doing contributed immensely to help build an informed citizenry. …"
Let’s assume an “informed citizenry” makes informed choices.
PDOIS came in the political arena at the later part of the first republic. So, by the time the second republic came into existence the citizenry, with the help of PDOIS, was more informed than the citizenry of the first republic.
Are there any differences between the first and second republics, in terms of democracy, mode of governance etc.? In which way is the informed citizenry impacting or influencing the everyday life of Gambians, today?
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Sep 2013 : 20:59:23
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What about their electoral performance, Janko?? That should be the yardstick with which to measure impact. Shouldn't it???
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